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Warnock Bitter over relegation.

Warnock 'bitter' over drop - PA Sport



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Sheffield United boss Neil Warnock admits to feeling 'bitter' over the circumstances surrounding his side's relegation from the EPL.

Warnock claimed the West Ham situation, coupled with the decisions of Manchester United and Liverpool to field weakened teams in recent weeks, made his side's slide harder to take.

But Warnock clearly attempted to rein in the considerable anger he feels over the situation, and said he expected any lingering furore to quickly disappear.

Warnock said: "I am bitter about all the circumstances over the last two weeks really but by Tuesday it will all be fish and chip paper. I have just got to get over that bitterness."

"It is only human to look at the dossier and not understand why they (West Ham) haven't had any points deducted and that is why you do get disappointed."

"But by Tuesday it will all be in the bin and there won't be a big hoo-haa. Sheffield United - so what. West Ham are a big club with big reputations and they've obviously got good solicitors."

Of Sir Alex Ferguson's decision to start the likes of Cristiano Ronaldo and Ryan Giggs on the substitutes' bench as his side lost 1-0 at home to West Ham, Warnock added: "I think I was sold a dummy earlier in the week."

"But Sir Alex has his own reasons and obviously the Cup final was more important to him. But fate's fate. Probably Chelsea will win the FA Cup final and AC Milan will win the Champions League."

Warnock refused to be drawn on his own future and preferred to pay tribute to his players whom he said had proved themselves worthy of their Premiership status.

Describing relegation as a 'gut-wrenching, horrible feeling', Warnock added: "All season we have not made it difficult enough for other teams and given goals away when we have been in good positions."

"They haven't had to work hard for either goal today and we have committed suicide really. The lads have been magnificent and tried their hardest and I couldn't have got much more out of them."

"But it is still very disappointing when you go down because of the thickness of a post."

Wigan boss Paul Jewell expressed his sympathy for the Blades and reiterated his anger at the West Ham affair, calling the time of the Premier League's announcement 'scandalous'.

He added: "The ideal scenario for the Premier League might have been for Manchester United to beat West Ham and some people think West Ham have got off the hook a little bit."

"But I don't want to go down that route. The reason we had to go into the final game to stay up was that we weren't good enough over the 37 games before."

Jewell insisted he had never lost the belief that his side would survive despite starting the day as big favourites for the drop as they had to win to stand any chance.

He added: "I have been in football for a long time and I know when people have some doubts in their mind you have got to play on them."

"Sheffield United didn't have to win today to stay up but we had nothing else in our minds but to win the game. I said to the players, they will be edgy because it is all in their hands."

"I feel like I have just run a marathon. It is a great achievement for a club of our size and we have had to overcome a lot of obstacles."

"People's persona of Wigan is that it is probably the least attractive club in the Premiership so we deserve great credit for being there for a third successive season."

[ukhotstove]

Emile Heskey out *&$^*&^ standing, if I live to be 100 I doubt I'll see a better performance by a player over 90 mins, even swallowed his tongue at one stage and still bounced up and carried on.

[ukhotstove]

Didn't see the full 90 mins of the Man U v West Ham game but the highlights and stats I've seen suggest that Man Utd were all over West Ham, not seen the stats for the 2nd half but first half it was around 60/40 in favour of Man U and 15/3 in shots so you can't fault Uniteds game.

Still isn't over though as there's a meeting between the clubs on what to do next, I'm not 100% but I don't think West Ham are invited to the meeting

[Muppetus Galacticus]

Originally Posted by ukhotstove

Didn't see the full 90 mins of the Man U v West Ham game but the highlights and stats I've seen suggest that Man Utd were all over West Ham, not seen the stats for the 2nd half but first half it was around 60/40 in favour of Man U and 15/3 in shots so you can't fault Uniteds game.

Still isn't over though as there's a meeting between the clubs on what to do next, I'm not 100% but I don't think West Ham are invited to the meeting

When the media say, "court case", is it literally that? If so, how long could that go on for? WHAT IF it dragged on and they decided what to do just before next season starts? What if they, "Yep, We'll swap WH and SU...oh good luck when you kick off next week!" That will be terrible as SU would not be ready in any way, shape or form - they couldn't hack it when they WERE ready for the PL. If anything at all does happen (and I still really doubt it - probably end up being a petition or something!), then WH will probably start the season with minus points.

Originally Posted by Muppetus Galacticus

You teams were lucky! Although I may send him round to Warnocks house as he'll probably whine that getting relegated wasn't his or the teams fault. Even though they were 10+ points out of danger not so long ago .

PING: Toronto. Someone ship DD over to Warnock's house for me please?

Wow, so it really wasn't his or the team's fault! For shame on those big bad teams wanting to do well for themselves! And how sporting of him to want the English team to lose in Europe. He's such a **** and I'm glad I won't have to put up with him as much anymore.

[Muppetus Galacticus]

Originally Posted by ukhotstove

Didn't see the full 90 mins of the Man U v West Ham game but the highlights and stats I've seen suggest that Man Utd were all over West Ham, not seen the stats for the 2nd half but first half it was around 60/40 in favour of Man U and 15/3 in shots so you can't fault Uniteds game.

Still isn't over though as there's a meeting between the clubs on what to do next, I'm not 100% but I don't think West Ham are invited to the meeting

Rob Green made a couple of saves over the bar but wasn't really tested. The home sides real chances came when Benayoun stopped a couple of shots on/near the line in the first 45 and a ball magnatised itself to Green's backside in the second half.

[ukhotstove]

Originally Posted by Muppetus Galacticus

Rob Green made a couple of saves over the bar but wasn't really tested. The home sides real chances came when Benayoun stopped a couple of shots on/near the line and a ball magnatised itslef to Green's backside in the second half.

imo it was Benyaoun's clearence and not Tevez's goal that kept them up, United score then and they go on to win 2-0 3-0.

[ukhotstove]

There have to be rule changes and a stronger leadership in the Premier League imo, West Ham got off simple as that and teams in the future should be docked points if they do what West Ham did, also this so called rule where teams have to field their strongest team should either be removed or should be enforced because at the moment it isn't.

[ukhotstove]

I wanted to gauge interest in an idea I came up with to pass away the few months before the start of the next football season, if there is enough interest then I’ll make a thread on the OT boards but just wanted to see if there is interest before I did that.

I’ve taken the idea of the link I posted a couple weeks ago were somebody is trying to get together 50,000 football fans to buy a football club, we wont be buying a football club I mean I doubt the £9.50 we could raise between us would buy a football let alone a football club.

Anyway I was thinking of using the same principal as what they are but using FM instead of a real club, I’d be the Manager and what this would entail is posting player reports, team tactics and so on and inputting them into the game. What you would do as a member of the club would be vote on who we sign, who we let go and what tactics we use in each game and also the line up in each game.

How we would go about this is at the start of the season I’d do a write up on each player we have at the club and then we could look at the strengths and weaknesses of the club to decide what formation we will use and what players we need to bring into the club, then I’d scout transfer or free agent targets and come up with say 10 players at each position were we need strengthening and do a small write up for each player then we’d vote on who we go after.

I’ve come up with the best idea I could to vote on which team we “purchase”, firstly what I’ve done is split the countries in FM into groups then whichever group wins we’ll vote on the countries within that group to decide which country our club will come from. Then what I intend on doing is looking through the teams within that country and coming up with a list and doing a small write up of about 10-20 teams depending on how many are in the league we choose, so we’re not voting on buying a Chelsea or Man Utd or Barcelona I’m going to put the maximum value of the team at £1,000,000 and that includes any loan debt they may have. You’ll find some countries missing as I want our team to go through the trials of promotion and relegation and as you know some countries have only one league within them so doesn’t allow for promotion and relegation, below are the groups that I’ve split the teams up into and it will be these groups that go to the first vote.

To make it fair I’m going to ask you to pm me your votes and then when the final votes have taken place I’ll post the group that has won and also post the votes that you sent to me, this way nobody can be swayed in their vote and I’ll post the votes so that everything is above board, so to make it easy for you all you have to do is cut and paste the group list below and put a number next to it, 1 being your first choice 2 being your second and so on doh! Lol and then send it to me via a pm on this board.
This is what your pm should look like, this also contains my votes so that people can’t say I cheated just in case there is a split vote.

Group A South American - 4
Group B Nordic - 3
Group C Europe - 1
Group D Eastern Block - 2
Group E Rest of World - 5

Group A
Argentina
Brazil
Chile
Colombia
Mexico
Uruguay

Group B
Austria
Denmark
Finland
Iceland
Norway
Sweden
Switzerland

Group C
France
Germany
England
Holland
Ireland
N Ireland
Scotland
Spain
Italy
Belgium
Israel
Portugal
Turkey

Group D
Poland
Romania
Russia
Serbia
Slovenia
Slovakia
Ukraine
Belarus
Bulgaria
Croatia
Hungary
Czech Republic

Group E
China
Indonesia
Malaysia
South Korea
South Africa

[Muppetus Galacticus]

Originally Posted by ukhotstove

There have to be rule changes and a stronger leadership in the Premier League imo, West Ham got off simple as that and teams in the future should be docked points if they do what West Ham did, also this so called rule where teams have to field their strongest team should either be removed or should be enforced because at the moment it isn't.

Agreed on all counts.

Interesting idea for the FM game - count me in, and you'd probably get more people if you started a thread in OT too.

[ukhotstove]

Originally Posted by Muppetus Galacticus

Agreed on all counts.

Interesting idea for the FM game - count me in, and you'd probably get more people if you started a thread in OT too.

PM me with your votes on the groups, I wanted to gauge interest first as most of the people who will join will probably be of this thread so if I get 4-5 off this thread I know it will work.

[LFC1892]

My PM should be arriving any second.....

[ukhotstove]

Thanks for voting, couple more votes and I'll move this to OT.

[The Professor]

So, Jewell is leaving Wigan. Too bad. I really, really, like Paul Jewell. Hope he turns up somewhere and has some continued (and greater) success than what was, generally, an outstanding tenure at Wigan.

[Muppetus Galacticus]

Poor old Wigan, they've got Chris Hutchings as manager who, when he was in charge at Bradford a while back, won 3 whole premiership games. They are already 6/4 to get relegated next year.

[ukhotstove]

Hopefully (but don't bet on it) he doesn't do a Big Sam and takes a break from football for family and health reasons for all of five minutes.

Hutchings bad bad bad appointment, hard enough for Latics to bring in top players as it is without having a no name manager, rather have seen someone like Ince, Simpson or Davies as manager.

[ukhotstove]

Originally Posted by Muppetus Galacticus

Poor old Wigan, they've got Chris Hutchings as manager who, when he was in charge at Bradford a while back, won 3 whole premiership games. They are already 6/4 to get relegated next year.

I'd grab the 6/4 because after about 2 weeks of the season they'll be 1/10.

[Muppetus Galacticus]

Originally Posted by ukhotstove

Hopefully (but don't bet on it) he doesn't do a Big Sam and takes a break from football for family and health reasons for all of five minutes.

Hutchings bad bad bad appointment, hard enough for Latics to bring in top players as it is without having a no name manager, rather have seen someone like Ince, Simpson or Davies as manager.

I think Jewell will take the Man City job when that comes up. And yeah, Hutchings is such a bad choice it makes everyone cringe.

[ukhotstove]

Originally Posted by Muppetus Galacticus

I think Jewell will take the Man City job when that comes up. And yeah, Hutchings is such a bad choice it makes everyone cringe.

Man City job is up, was up about 5 minutes after Jewell quit. Next season was going to be one of the toughest as the Premiership will be at it's strongest next season, can't see Wigan staying up to be honest but they will always have a chance against Fulham, Middlesbrough and whoever comes up from the play offs but going to be a long hard season next season for us Tic fans.

[ukhotstove]

Even though I'm off to work in a bit I woke up with a bright sunny attitude to the day, I feel like crap now.

[ukhotstove]

Wigan squad at the moment.

1 Filan Retiring
2 Granqvist On Loan
3 McMillan Retiring due to injuries
4 Jackson Too old
5 Hall Not good enough
6 De Zeeuw Maybe retiring
7 Camara Leaving
8 Kilbane Not good enough
9 Heskey Best player
10 McCulloch Maybe leaving
11 Johansson Not good enough
12 Pollitt Getting old
13 Kirkland Injury prone
14 Landzaat Decent player
15 Aghahowa Raw talent
16 Valencia On Loan
17 Boyce Best defender
18 Scharner Good player
19 Taylor Top youngster
20 Folan Raw talent
21 Cywka Young player
22 Cotterill Raw talent
24 Skoko Poor player
25 Unsworth Too old
26 Baines Top youngster
27 Haestad On Loan
28 Nash Decent back up
31 Montrose Too young (This is the lad who stays at the blokes house that I work with)
32 Owens Too young


Wigan team at the moment.

GK Kirkland
LB Baines
CB Boyce
CB Unknown
RB Taylor
LM Unknown
CM Scharner
CM Unknown
RM Unknown
FW Heskey
FW Folan

We need a top goalscorer, midfield playmaker, two decent wingers and a strong central defender and the squad strengthening.