Chicago White Sox 2007 Thread

[Luis_Rivera]

Well, as we already suspected, the White Sox don't look very small at all by this measure, as the Sox were one of the teams most dependent on the the long ball in 2005. The Nats' home park, an inhospitable place for home run hitters, probably has something to do with their leading this category. In looking at the numbers, I think it's difficult to claim that scoring a high percentage of your runs on homers is a bad thing. The "leaders" in this category (the top seven shown above) averaged 699 runs scored for the season, while the trailers averaged nearly 100 more (785).

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/ar...ball-whos-who/

Sure, they did a lot of "small ball" type things, but most of their runs came from the home run... 4th most reliant in the league for it, in fact. Also, it's highlighted by the fact that going back to 2000, they've had an above average offense every year except... 2005! And that year they were among the team leaders in home runs hit (partially a side effect from their stadium, but you get my point, regardless!)

I wasn't trying to attack you or anything, I was just making the point that you made a very false statement.

[Luis_Rivera]

Oh, and relying on the home run isn't a bad thing by any means. They did in '06 and '04 as well, and they had one of the best offenses in the league.

In '05 they won DESPITE their mediocre offense because of some great years by their pitchers and solid defense all around.

[Goodsox]

Originally Posted by Luis_Rivera

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/ar...ball-whos-who/

Sure, they did a lot of "small ball" type things, but most of their runs came from the home run... 4th most reliant in the league for it, in fact. Also, it's highlighted by the fact that going back to 2000, they've had an above average offense every year except... 2005! And that year they were among the team leaders in home runs hit (partially a side effect from their stadium, but you get my point, regardless!)

I wasn't trying to attack you or anything, I was just making the point that you made a very false statement.

Sorry, I've had a long day and I love my Sox I guess my point is that although they had a ton of home runs, it didn't feel like they relied on it. It just seemed like they had really good at bats and the home runs would come. This year, it seems like they are desperately trying to hit a home run every time up. That is where the difference is in my opinion. I would much rather have the '05 offense than this crap we have now

EDIT: Although, they did look good over the weekend for at least 2 games. Hope they can keep it going.

[Luis_Rivera]

Noooooo need to apologize. I just wanted to make it clear that I wasn't attacking your fandom or anything! [insert smiley here]

[eriqjaffe]

Originally Posted by Goodsox

I guess my point is that although they had a ton of home runs, it didn't feel like they relied on it. It just seemed like they had really good at bats and the home runs would come. This year, it seems like they are desperately trying to hit a home run every time up.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

Speaking of changing your dog's name, I bought the McFarlane Magglio Ordoñez figure, and he blew out his knee a week later. I've been superstitiously avoiding buying the new Thome figure...

[Goodsox]

Originally Posted by eriqjaffe

I couldn't have said it better myself.

Speaking of changing your dog's name, I bought the McFarlane Magglio Ordoñez figure, and he blew out his knee a week later. I've been superstitiously avoiding buying the new Thome figure...

Man, that is some funny stuff I have the same superstitions about player jerseys. I finally broke down and bought 2 Buehrle jerseys last year and then he tanked I was going to buy a Konerko this year and I held off. Although, this year I'm not sure Konerko could be any worse. I am never naming a pet after an active player again, I will wait until they retire

[MogulChamp]

Originally Posted by Goodsox

Ask my dogs Maggs and Baines No Joke, but I'd like to change Maggs' name .

Heh, sounds like me. My cat of 7 years' name is "Lil Hurt."

I havent been a fan of the Chisox that long, just since '93. Wasnt even a baseball fan until then really, just something about getting beaten by the Jays made me a fan. Plus guys like Ventura and McDowell made it hard not to like them!

[MogulChamp]

Good game versus the Twins, things were looking good, with a 4-1 lead in the 8th, but then wildman Mcdougal comes in and ****s it up.

Ozzie's bullpen use is bewildering sometimes. Im also surprised that with 1b open, red-hot Tori hunter wasnt walked to get to Cuddyer.

Gah!

[eriqjaffe]

Yeah. Wasn't 2005 wonderful?

And probably something we won't be going through again any time soon?

[Goodsox]

Originally Posted by eriqjaffe

Yeah. Wasn't 2005 wonderful?

And probably something we won't be going through again any time soon?

This team just finds ways to lose Everyone steps up to blow a game. At least they are losing as a team

[MogulChamp]

Yeah, that loss was pretty hard to take. We had the Twins right where we wanted them. Up 4-1 in the 7th. But Ozzie's lost this one for us.

Here's what I dont understand. Aardsma is our best reliever, better than Jenks even. If Ozzie was prepared to have him pitch 2 innings (which he did last night), why not just bring him in for the 7th and 8th instead of McDougal, thornton and Sisco? Then bring out Jenks for the 9th. Mind boggling. At some point, he needs to stop trying to get these guys to prove themselves, especially in a big series like this.

McDougal is giving me that "Marte" feeling everytime he pitches.

I tell ya, after this game Ozzie should have gone off! Id have been breaking everything I could find in the visitor's lockerroom.

*edit* And seriously, how many freakin gimmicks do the Twins need??? Pirhanas, and tape on the caps?? WTF? If the Sox fans ever pull this gimmick crap, go ahead and shoot me. Please.

[MogulChamp]

Ozzie's reply at the end of the game:

"Those type of games can put the team down," Guillen added. "We have to forget about this game and keep fighting."


Wrong answer buddy. How bout this one?

"The Twins were who we thought they were, and we let them off the hook! These guys in my locker room better wake the **** up, and go out there and kick the Twins a** tommorrow, or Ill do it myself!"

Thats a much better reply.

[Goodsox]

Originally Posted by MogulChamp

"The Twins were who we thought they were, and we let them off the hook! These guys in my locker room better wake the **** up, and go out there and kick the Twins a** tommorrow, or Ill do it myself!"

Thats a much better reply.

That is probably what he said in the locker room, with a few more asteriks added

[eriqjaffe]

I doubt it. Ozzie has this weird manlove for the Twins. Probably because he knows that they have, over the past 5 or 6 years, PWNED us with regularity.

Originally Posted by Ozzie Guillen, who is clearly afraid of piranhas

I might kiss Gardy. They aren't pitching Santana? Why? What happened? Is he in jail or something? Gardy, I love you. I better keep it quiet and make sure [Santana's] not going.

Oh, and how about this gem from our team captain?

Originally Posted by Paul Konerko, Motivational King

Minnesota is a team where the bullpen is so good, it becomes a really short game. You feel like you have to have a lead by the fifth or sixth, or it's over.

South Side Sox posted an interesting fact:

Here is a list of all the pitchers in baseball who have faced Justin Morneau at least 10 times and have held him hitless:

• Bobby Jenks

That's it. That is the complete list. In fact, in those ten at-bats, Morneau has never even so much as drawn a walk against the big fella.

Guh. Still, its one out of three. It'd be nice to shake this off and go on a roll for once. You don't have to win them all, but winning 2 out of every 3 is a sure ticket to the postseason.

[Goodsox]

Originally Posted by eriqjaffe

You don't have to win them all, but winning 2 out of every 3 is a sure ticket to the postseason.

See 2005.... I know we keep living in the past here, but it is so frustrating to watch this team when just 2 years ago we got to see that. The '05 team consistently won 2 out of 3, which is what this team needs to start doing now or forget about it. The Tiggers are unbelievably hot right now and the Sox are going to fall too far behind to catch up.

[eriqjaffe]

Eh. If we've learned anything over the past 2 seasons, it's that nobody is really out of is this soon - one year ago today, the Sox had a 9 1/2 game lead over Minnesota, and we all know how that turned out.

However, the Sox just don't seem to have it this year, whatever it is.

[MattH3322]

is it just me or is anyone else finding them hard to watch.

[MattH3322]

Originally Posted by Goodsox

The Tiggers are unbelievably hot right now and the Sox are going to fall too far behind to catch up.

What about the Poohs?

[Luis_Rivera]

Originally Posted by eriqjaffe

Eh. If we've learned anything over the past 2 seasons, it's that nobody is really out of is this soon - one year ago today, the Sox had a 9 1/2 game lead over Minnesota, and we all know how that turned out.

However, the Sox just don't seem to have it this year, whatever it is.

The White Sox were the team this year that if I had money to drop on gambling, I'd have put $100 on the under for wins. I see them as a slightly below .500 team.

-Erstad in CF
-eXtreme regression by Dye
-Regression by Crede, and Pierzynski
-Slight regression by Konerko
-Thome injury risk
-Buehrle's severe decline in peripherals over the last few years
-Danks replacing Garcia in the rotation

All things off the top of my head I saw working against them coming into the season.

[eriqjaffe]

Originally Posted by MattH3322

is it just me or is anyone else finding them hard to watch.

If I could bring myself to watch, I'm sure I would find it hard.

I saw the top of the 4th last night. Runners on the corners, 1 out. Pierzynski works Bonser to a 2-0 count and then strikes out looking.

Iguchi comes up, and strikes out looking.

So...um...how 'bout them Bulls?