2007 New York Yankees Thread - Page 26

1998 Yankees · 05-07-2007, 08:45 PM

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I agree with you 100%. On that note, I thought it was nice to see a player with some balls again protecting the team. That's alot more then I can say for Mussina.

I agree with you 90%, especially about Yank pitchers protecting their batters. They've been a little weak in that regard recently.

The 10% disagreement, just to play devil's advocate: The incident appeared to be over when Phelps got plunked. I think even he agreed that he should be hit after going out of his way to run over the Seattle catcher. Both teams were satisfied at that point. Proctor then starts it up again.

1998 Yankees · 05-07-2007, 08:49 PM

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Well, he's been Optioned

Yeah? In that case Igawa is going down so that Rasner can stay up for another start at least. Good move. But again, let's say Igawa stinks or is mediocre at AAA. What are the Yankees going to do with him? How can you pay a pitcher that much money for the next few years to play at Scranton?

Luis_Rivera · 05-07-2007, 09:11 PM

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Yeah? In that case Igawa is going down so that Rasner can stay up for another start at least. Good move. But again, let's say Igawa stinks or is mediocre at AAA. What are the Yankees going to do with him? How can you pay a pitcher that much money for the next few years to play at Scranton?

I'm pretty sure Igawa is much better than the 30 innings he's given the Yankees thus far. If there really is a problem with his mechanics, then it's good to send him down, but if they're basing it on 30 innings of data it's a dumb move.

That being said, if he really does suck, the point you're making is a purely emotional one. The $44 mil (including posting fee) they have invested in him is a sunk cost. If he actually does suck then it's better off to have him not pitching for the big club regardless of salary. Allowing him to pitch and suck isn't going to get any money back.

I think he's probably a pretty decent starter though.

thomamon · 05-07-2007, 09:12 PM

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I agree with you 90%, especially about Yank pitchers protecting their batters. They've been a little weak in that regard recently.

The 10% disagreement, just to play devil's advocate: The incident appeared to be over when Phelps got plunked. I think even he agreed that he should be hit after going out of his way to run over the Seattle catcher. Both teams were satisfied at that point. Proctor then starts it up again.

I can't argue your 10% disagreement. Makes sense.

robster1225 · 05-07-2007, 10:00 PM

Man, these youngsters need to stop pitching so well, it's gonna make for some tough decisions

1998 Yankees · 05-07-2007, 10:43 PM

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I'm pretty sure Igawa is much better than the 30 innings he's given the Yankees thus far. If there really is a problem with his mechanics, then it's good to send him down, but if they're basing it on 30 innings of data it's a dumb move.

That being said, if he really does suck, the point you're making is a purely emotional one. The $44 mil (including posting fee) they have invested in him is a sunk cost. If he actually does suck then it's better off to have him not pitching for the big club regardless of salary. Allowing him to pitch and suck isn't going to get any money back.

I think he's probably a pretty decent starter though.

I'll tell you one thing. I rather give $40MM to Igawa and his former team than to Pavano, at this point.

1998 Yankees · 05-07-2007, 10:46 PM

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Man, these youngsters need to stop pitching so well, it's gonna make for some tough decisions

Now, these are problems that we need to have!

Too bad the 2B umpire made a bad call to take away DeSalvo's chance for a win, but that's moot now that Rivera gave up what would have been the tying HR (instead of go-ahead HR) just now.

thomamon · 05-07-2007, 11:22 PM

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I'll tell you one thing. I rather give $40MM to Igawa and his former team than to Pavano, at this point.

Talk about a waste. He should just retire and disappear and hope everyone forgets about him.

1998 Yankees · 05-08-2007, 01:05 AM

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Talk about a waste. He should just retire and disappear and hope everyone forgets about him.

The last sentence in this ESPN story quote sums Pavano up, in my estimation:

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Pavano was examined by Dr. Andrews on Friday. While damage was found in the elbow, the ligament was not torn, a Yankees official said Sunday, speaking on condition of anonymity because the team didn't make any announcement. The team would like Pavano to try to rehabilitate without an operation, but the pitcher was leaning toward surgery, the official said.

Somebody else would be looking for the solution that brings him back to the team sooner. Not Pavano. He wants season-ending surgery.

MuertoDesagradecido · 05-08-2007, 05:08 AM

I wonder what happened with Pavano where he pretty much decided he didn't want to play baseball any more. Didn't he take a liner off the head a while back? Maybe that freaked him out.

Luis_Rivera · 05-08-2007, 07:37 AM

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I wonder what happened with Pavano where he pretty much decided he didn't want to play baseball any more. Didn't he take a liner off the head a while back? Maybe that freaked him out.

That was in June of '03 against the Red Sox. He had his best season in '04, so I don't think that's it. He's always been fragile... it's just worse now.

Joshv02 · 05-08-2007, 07:48 AM

The idea that he'd rather have someone rip into his body with a scalpel than pitch through a potentially career (and life altering) injury doesn't strike me as particularly selfish, regardless of what Will Carroll thinks.

CommishJoe · 05-08-2007, 11:52 AM

Here's a note from an article on foxsports...

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Rookie RHP Phil Hughes (hamstring) is recovering quickly and could be back a bit sooner than initially anticipated, Cashman said. Hughes took a no-hitter into the seventh inning last Tuesday at Texas before getting hurt. He was originally expected to miss four to six weeks.

CommishJoe · 05-08-2007, 11:53 AM

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The idea that he'd rather have someone rip into his body with a scalpel than pitch through a potentially career (and life altering) injury doesn't strike me as particularly selfish, regardless of what Will Carroll thinks.

Sounds like the Yanks want him to see a 4th doctor. Personally, I say let him have whatever course of action he wants and release him. Buy out his contract and free up a spot on the 40 man roster.

I don't know enough about this injury to know if he's being a baby or not. Given his past, I can understand why people think he's over-reacting though.

thomamon · 05-08-2007, 12:04 PM

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Sounds like the Yanks want him to see a 4th doctor. Personally, I say let him have whatever course of action he wants and release him. Buy out his contract and free up a spot on the 40 man roster.

I don't know enough about this injury to know if he's being a baby or not. Given his past, I can understand why people think he's over-reacting though.

He'll wind up on the 60 Day DL, which will clear a roster spot and the Yanks will claim their insurance money on him.

At this point, I would rather have a kid fill the spot anyway.

Joshv02 · 05-08-2007, 12:12 PM

Perhaps there has been a story that made this public that I missed, but I'd doubt that Pavano was a good candidate for insurance, esp with the length of his contract.

thomamon · 05-08-2007, 12:34 PM

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Perhaps there has been a story that made this public that I missed, but I'd doubt that Pavano was a good candidate for insurance, esp with the length of his contract.

Nobody would give out a contract like that in MLB with out the insurance. I can all but guarantee they have insurance on his contract, even if it cost them a pretty penny extra.

thomamon · 05-08-2007, 01:34 PM

David Wells finally opens his fat mouth and says something I agree with:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2863411

Joshv02 · 05-08-2007, 01:43 PM

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Nobody would give out a contract like that in MLB with out the insurance. I can all but guarantee they have insurance on his contract, even if it cost them a pretty penny extra.

No insurance company would give out insurance for a contract like that in the MLB.

Seriously, that Pavano contract came out a year or two after the public grumblings that pitcher contracts in excess of 3 years would not be insured as a general rule, and not even all the time then (iirc, the RS could not get insurance during their negotiations for Pedro's contract). This is why the Clement contract was for 3 years. Honestly, I'd be more shocked that Pavano does have insurance than you'd be shocked that he doesn't

CommishJoe · 05-08-2007, 02:12 PM

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No insurance company would give out insurance for a contract like that in the MLB.

Seriously, that Pavano contract came out a year or two after the public grumblings that pitcher contracts in excess of 3 years would not be insured as a general rule, and not even all the time then (iirc, the RS could not get insurance during their negotiations for Pedro's contract). This is why the Clement contract was for 3 years. Honestly, I'd be more shocked that Pavano does have insurance than you'd be shocked that he doesn't

I did a google search and this was the best I could come up with to "prove" that the Yanks had insurance on Pavano:

http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?...Y3dnFlZUVFeXk2

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There's no reason for the Yankees not to sever their ties with Pavano. There's no financial incentive to keep him around; his money is guaranteed and the Bombers will collect their insurance payout. Buying out Pavano will allow the Yankees to at least regain their dignity after two years of humiliation within the industry.

It sounds more like a guess than something based on a researched fact, but like I said, it was the best I could do on short notice

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Joshv02 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: , " Posts: 3,082	The idea that he'd rather have someone rip into his body with a scalpel than pitch through a potentially career (and life altering) injury doesn't strike me as particularly selfish, regardless of what Will Carroll thinks. __________________ Brookline Maccabees. RIP

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Joshv02 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: , " Posts: 3,082	Perhaps there has been a story that made this public that I missed, but I'd doubt that Pavano was a good candidate for insurance, esp with the length of his contract. __________________ Brookline Maccabees. RIP

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MuertoDesagradecido Major Leagues Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Saint Francisco Posts: 436 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	I wonder what happened with Pavano where he pretty much decided he didn't want to play baseball any more. Didn't he take a liner off the head a while back? Maybe that freaked him out.