2007 New York Yankees Thread - Page 21

robster1225 · 04-26-2007, 09:40 PM

Phil's been a little eratic. But, he's not doing to bad. I think that was an out at first.
As I type this, Hughes gives up his third run....oops

Jonzard · 04-26-2007, 10:10 PM

That bullpen is going to be dead come July

1998 Yankees · 04-27-2007, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by texasmame

Nice pitchin' staff you got there!

Sarcasm taken. Yes, we're in pretty bad shape right now. 5 rookie starters in one month, let alone one season? Oh boy.

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Originally Posted by Jonzard

That bullpen is going to be dead come July

Well, let's hope: 1) Wang and Pettitte stay healthy. 2) Mussina is not too old. 3) Pavano does not injure himself. 4) Igawa, Karstens, or Hughes can give regular quality starts (also applies to Pavano, come to think of it).

Too much to hope for? Let's trade!

Luis_Rivera · 04-27-2007, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

Well, let's hope: 1) Wang and Pettitte stay healthy. 2) Mussina is not too old. 3) Pavano does not injure himself. 4) Igawa, Karstens, or Hughes can give regular quality starts (also applies to Pavano, come to think of it).

Too much to hope for? Let's trade!

I wouldn't bank on #3, and the Karstens part of #4 is incredibly unlikely. The rest of it seems reasonable!

CommishJoe · 04-27-2007, 12:28 PM

I wouldn't mind seeing Hughes get another shot. You can't get a very good read of someone from just one start. It sounds like after his jittery first inning, he settled down decently.

Luis_Rivera · 04-27-2007, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CommishJoe

I wouldn't mind seeing Hughes get another shot. You can't get a very good read of someone from just one start. It sounds like after his jittery first inning, he settled down decently.

Hughes still looked very good. He struck out 5 in 4.1 innings and only walked one.

robster1225 · 04-27-2007, 09:49 PM

nice inning, Dice-K

It feels good to be the team coming from behind.

QuestGAV · 04-27-2007, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by robster1225

nice inning, Dice-K

It feels good to be the team coming from behind.

Agreed.

time to knock on some wood...

robster1225 · 04-27-2007, 11:39 PM

I think I spoke to soon. Pettite had his breakdown, and now i'm watching Rivera struggle some more.

Tony M · 04-28-2007, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by robster1225

I think I spoke to soon. Pettite had his breakdown, and now i'm watching Rivera struggle some more.

I didn't even spot his name on the boxscore - I saw Myers as the last pitcher and didn't think Rivera had pitched (probably because it was missing the BS after his name

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1998 Yankees · 04-28-2007, 10:52 AM

Yes, Rivera looked terrible again last night. ERA up over 12.

Starting pitching is a shambles - I repeat, 5 rookies starting in the first month alone - and the bullpen is overworked. A-Rod's looks like he's starting to cool down now and no one else is doing all that well at the plate.

And stupid Newsday has already posted the "Should Joe Torre be worried about his job?" question on their web site. Jeez, can the guy get a break? How could anyone manage a pitching staff like this one is currently any better?

Yanks have lost 7 in a row now. I read that happened last at the end of 2000 but was forgotten for obvious reasons

I'd like to say "these are the worst of times" but I'm not sure if that is the case.

CommishJoe · 04-28-2007, 08:39 PM

Igawa showed signs of life today, which was a sight for sore eyes. Rivera pitched an effective 9th and they were finally able to break the losing streak. Yeah, the offense is starting to come back down to Earth, but you couldn't expect 5 runs per game for the rest of the season.

1998 Yankees · 04-29-2007, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by CommishJoe

Igawa showed signs of life today, which was a sight for sore eyes. Rivera pitched an effective 9th and they were finally able to break the losing streak. Yeah, the offense is starting to come back down to Earth, but you couldn't expect 5 runs per game for the rest of the season.

My newspaper stops just short of saying that Igawa saved Torre's job.

I'll say it one more time (for today, maybe again tomorrow): The media are stupid, but they are just a reflection of us fans.

robster1225 · 04-29-2007, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

My newspaper stops just short of saying that Igawa saved Torre's job.

I'll say it one more time (for today, maybe again tomorrow): The media are stupid, but they are just a reflection of us fans.

Igawa did show some signs of life, but he did not save Torre's job. I don't even think Torre's job is in danger as of yet. The Boss understands there have been injuries, I'm sure. If anyone's job is in danger, especially after this season it may very well be Brian Cashman and his completely overlooking the pitching staff in the offseason.

That was a good game, though, and something we realy needed.

CMH · 04-29-2007, 12:56 PM

I don't know if I'd say Brian Cashman overlooked his staff.

He added Andy Pettitte and Kei Igawa. Yes, he traded Randy Johnson, but Johnson would have been worthless right now, anyway, because he's hurt and he did get solid minor league pitchers in return.

With the number of guys that did a servicable job last season out of AAA, I would think he felt he had reason to feel as if there is insurance in case someone goes down.

Obviously, Karstens and Wright (and Hughes at the moment) aren't Barry Zito, but there's depth back there to throw innings. Surely, no one could have expected that Mussina, Wang, and Pavano would have gone down together. That's not ignoring your staff. That's just pure bad luck.

On another note...I'm surprised no one has written a television drama based on the Yankee Front Office. It's like a soap opera.

Steinbrenner considered firing Torre after the team's quick playoff exit last October, but Cashman and the soon-to-be-deposed team chairman Steve Swindal led a front office move to sway Steinbrenner into bringing back Torre for his 12th season as Yankees manager.

I find the above a great blurb for a possible Baseball Front Office episode.

robster1225 · 04-29-2007, 01:08 PM

Sure, he added Igawa and Pettite. Both of them, however, were question marks. Igawa moreso than Pettite, obviously. He replaced RJ with Pettite, who is another old pitcher that wont be lasting long. I guess I meant to say he overlooked the "future" of the rotation. Chase Wright came up out of necessity, not because they wanted him to. Phil Hughes has now come up early, I do hope it pans out. I think that we will see injuries throughout this season considering Mussina's age, Pavano's non-existent durability, and Pettite's elbow being held together by a rubberband.

Kei Igawa may end up being what Cashman thought he was, at least I hope. I think the Yankees took a big gamble putting together a pitching staff like this and hoping to be successful. It may work out, but it's not optimal, IMO.

Tony M · 04-30-2007, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by robster1225

Kei Igawa may end up being what Cashman thought he was, at least I hope. I think the Yankees took a big gamble putting together a pitching staff like this and hoping to be successful. It may work out, but it's not optimal, IMO.

Of the three biggish Japan>US moves this winter, I've not been overly impressed with Igawa apart from in the game against the Sox, Matsuzaka hasn't really started firing on all cylinders (lower ERA and WHIP in Losing than he has in Winning is a bizarre statistic), but Okajima looks like he's the best bargain of the year - even if the AVG he hold's batters to is almost double that of Pap!

And to think he could have gone to the Yankees.

I hope they don't get rid of Torre though. Every team has slumps and everyone is always so keen to get rid of people at the first sign of a downturn. Stable management teams tend to lead to success.

silvam14 · 04-30-2007, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by redsoxford

I hope they don't get rid of Torre though. Every team has slumps and everyone is always so keen to get rid of people at the first sign of a downturn. Stable management teams tend to lead to success.

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I've always liked Joe Torre even though I hate the Yanks. He is nothing but a class act and his team carries themselves in the same manner.

To have his team standing on the top step of the visitors dugout during the Red Sox Ring ceremony in 2005 was all class. If he gets fired, it would be a shame.

CommishJoe · 04-30-2007, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by silvam14

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I've always liked Joe Torre even though I hate the Yanks. He is nothing but a class act and his team carries themselves in the same manner.

To have his team standing on the top step of the visitors dugout during the Red Sox Ring ceremony in 2005 was all class. If he gets fired, it would be a shame.

Ditto

1998 Yankees · 04-30-2007, 10:56 AM

I would just like to see Torre finish this year so he matches Stengel's record of 12 years managing the New York Yankees. Then, if they let him go, I will not shed tears for him, much as I would hate to see him go. He's done a great job in this media circus town, working for the original 800 pound gorilla owner, and he has 4 championship rings and ten division titles. He can retire at any time now and feel really good about himself.

04-26-2007, 10:10 PM	#402
Jonzard Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,647	That bullpen is going to be dead come July __________________ For a scientist must indeed be freely imaginative and yet skeptical, creative and yet a critic. There is a sense in which he must be free, but another in which his thought must be very precisely regimented; there is poetry in science, but also a lot of bookkeeping. — Sir Peter B. Medawar FTB

04-27-2007, 12:28 PM	#405
CommishJoe Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,238	I wouldn't mind seeing Hughes get another shot. You can't get a very good read of someone from just one start. It sounds like after his jittery first inning, he settled down decently. __________________ Joe Success isn’t owned. It’s leased. And rent is due every day.

04-28-2007, 08:39 PM	#412
CommishJoe Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,238	Igawa showed signs of life today, which was a sight for sore eyes. Rivera pitched an effective 9th and they were finally able to break the losing streak. Yeah, the offense is starting to come back down to Earth, but you couldn't expect 5 runs per game for the rest of the season. __________________ Joe Success isn’t owned. It’s leased. And rent is due every day.

04-26-2007, 09:40 PM	#401
robster1225 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,617	Phil's been a little eratic. But, he's not doing to bad. I think that was an out at first. As I type this, Hughes gives up his third run....oops

04-27-2007, 09:49 PM	#407
robster1225 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,617	nice inning, Dice-K It feels good to be the team coming from behind.

04-27-2007, 11:39 PM	#409
robster1225 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,617	I think I spoke to soon. Pettite had his breakdown, and now i'm watching Rivera struggle some more.

04-28-2007, 10:52 AM	#411
1998 Yankees Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yankee Stadium, back in 1998. Posts: 8,645	Yes, Rivera looked terrible again last night. ERA up over 12. Starting pitching is a shambles - I repeat, 5 rookies starting in the first month alone - and the bullpen is overworked. A-Rod's looks like he's starting to cool down now and no one else is doing all that well at the plate. And stupid Newsday has already posted the "Should Joe Torre be worried about his job?" question on their web site. Jeez, can the guy get a break? How could anyone manage a pitching staff like this one is currently any better? Yanks have lost 7 in a row now. I read that happened last at the end of 2000 but was forgotten for obvious reasons I'd like to say "these are the worst of times" but I'm not sure if that is the case.

04-29-2007, 12:56 PM	#415
CMH Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,057	I don't know if I'd say Brian Cashman overlooked his staff. He added Andy Pettitte and Kei Igawa. Yes, he traded Randy Johnson, but Johnson would have been worthless right now, anyway, because he's hurt and he did get solid minor league pitchers in return. With the number of guys that did a servicable job last season out of AAA, I would think he felt he had reason to feel as if there is insurance in case someone goes down. Obviously, Karstens and Wright (and Hughes at the moment) aren't Barry Zito, but there's depth back there to throw innings. Surely, no one could have expected that Mussina, Wang, and Pavano would have gone down together. That's not ignoring your staff. That's just pure bad luck. On another note...I'm surprised no one has written a television drama based on the Yankee Front Office. It's like a soap opera. Steinbrenner considered firing Torre after the team's quick playoff exit last October, but Cashman and the soon-to-be-deposed team chairman Steve Swindal led a front office move to sway Steinbrenner into bringing back Torre for his 12th season as Yankees manager. I find the above a great blurb for a possible Baseball Front Office episode.

04-29-2007, 01:08 PM	#416
robster1225 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,617	Sure, he added Igawa and Pettite. Both of them, however, were question marks. Igawa moreso than Pettite, obviously. He replaced RJ with Pettite, who is another old pitcher that wont be lasting long. I guess I meant to say he overlooked the "future" of the rotation. Chase Wright came up out of necessity, not because they wanted him to. Phil Hughes has now come up early, I do hope it pans out. I think that we will see injuries throughout this season considering Mussina's age, Pavano's non-existent durability, and Pettite's elbow being held together by a rubberband. Kei Igawa may end up being what Cashman thought he was, at least I hope. I think the Yankees took a big gamble putting together a pitching staff like this and hoping to be successful. It may work out, but it's not optimal, IMO.

04-30-2007, 10:56 AM	#420
1998 Yankees Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yankee Stadium, back in 1998. Posts: 8,645	I would just like to see Torre finish this year so he matches Stengel's record of 12 years managing the New York Yankees. Then, if they let him go, I will not shed tears for him, much as I would hate to see him go. He's done a great job in this media circus town, working for the original 800 pound gorilla owner, and he has 4 championship rings and ten division titles. He can retire at any time now and feel really good about himself.