2974 - Importing all of history not quite right - Page 2

Claymore · 03-22-2007, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Personal Attack

For the record, I am very much with ctorg on this one. I understand that it was a design decision, but I thought the point of importing the MLB league history was to, you know, import MLB league history, not rewrite MLB history. Hank Aaron won't have any Atlanta Braves records! That doesn't make sense, Markus, I'm sorry.

I am shocked that none of the historical simmers caught this (guys?). It is a huge issue for the reasons you stated. If you want to have a move feature that stores the previous records and starts a team fresh with a clean slate that is one thing, but dont force the every team in the league to do it.

Claymore · 03-22-2007, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ctorg

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For the record, I think you've done an amazing job with the game from what I've seen so far, Markus. It makes me feel bad to offer up a criticism so quickly, but I figure you were ready for it anyway.

Agreed as well, consider it me being paranoid about last year and what I perceived to be a bad year for the historical players.

Personal Attack · 03-22-2007, 11:13 AM

To echo ctorg, I'm not 'upset' considering this is a function the game didn't already have. I just think that it is a good candidate for a tweak in future updates because it is inconsistent with MLB recordkeeping.

battists · 03-22-2007, 11:36 AM

Beta folks, could someone please log this in TT, just so we don't lose track of it? Thanks!

disposableheros · 03-22-2007, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Claymore

I am shocked that none of the historical simmers caught this (guys?). It is a huge issue for the reasons you stated. If you want to have a move feature that stores the previous records and starts a team fresh with a clean slate that is one thing, but dont force the every team in the league to do it.

maybe they did, but were shot down, not unlike what occured in this thread?

billethius · 03-22-2007, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by battists

Beta folks, could someone please log this in TT, just so we don't lose track of it? Thanks!

TT #2974

endgame · 03-22-2007, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Claymore

I am shocked that none of the ... beta testers ... caught this.

Not directed at you Claymore, but this is a phrase we can do without. I hope someone of import can post to that effect at some point. Technical issues and their associated discussions - whether it be design decisions or simply a 'buggy' point - are much more quickly addressed without anyone excavating the past looking for blame or explanations. It's a waste of time and just exacerbates everyone's tensions, especially those trying to help.

rem · 03-22-2007, 12:50 PM

Please change this Markus.

Doughnuts? · 03-22-2007, 04:31 PM

Another voice added to the chorus of people requesting this be changed. Willie Mays' records for the NY Giants not showing up in the history of the SF Giants? Doesn't make sense.

The Professor · 03-22-2007, 05:30 PM

Yeah, this is something that absolutely must be changed. As a design choice, it is an odd one.

Curtis · 03-23-2007, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ctorg

It's not just a matter of taste; that's the way history is recorded.

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Originally Posted by The Professor

As a design choice, it is an odd one.

Odd it may be, but not unprecedented. I subscribed to "The Baseball Digest" for about a decade. Once a year they did a 'franchise records' issue, and they did things just the way Marcus is. The 'current franchises' were listed first, followed by the 'defunct franchises' (1901-2 Baltimore Orioles, 1969 Seattle Pilots, etc.). So, SOME people DO record history that way.

ctorg · 03-23-2007, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Curtis

Odd it may be, but not unprecedented. I subscribed to "The Baseball Digest" for about a decade. Once a year they did a 'franchise records' issue, and they did things just the way Marcus is. They 'current franchises' were listed first, followed by the 'defunct franchises' (1901-2 Baltimore Orioles, 1969 Seattle Pilots, etc.). So, SOME people DO record history that way.

Well, it's not the way the stats are officially recorded, even if some people record them that way. Official franchise records include years played in other cities.

fhomess · 03-23-2007, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Sim from the beginning, when the game automatically expands then it is treated as one franchise (doesn't work differently).

See, now this is just inconsistent. If it sims out one way, it should import the same way. I don't think anyone would like to see automatic team relocation starting a completely separate franchise to store the data with when they're simming. Likewise, the import should work the same.

Claymore · 03-23-2007, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Curtis

Odd it may be, but not unprecedented. I subscribed to "The Baseball Digest" for about a decade. Once a year they did a 'franchise records' issue, and they did things just the way Marcus is. They 'current franchises' were listed first, followed by the 'defunct franchises' (1901-2 Baltimore Orioles, 1969 Seattle Pilots, etc.). So, SOME people DO record history that way.

Sure, you should see the way I record a scorecard, but it isnt the offical way, which is the way that should be supported. Some leagues use a DH, some don't. I don't like the DH. If I was to create a baseball game however, I would include the DH as an option.

billethius · 03-27-2007, 02:19 PM

This has been marked as fixed for the upcoming patch.

Claymore · 03-29-2007, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by billethius

This has been marked as fixed for the upcoming patch.

Great! I did not see it on the patch list though?

ctorg · 04-01-2007, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by billethius

This has been marked as fixed for the upcoming patch.

Wow, I'm sure glad about this!

Claymore · 04-02-2007, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ctorg

Wow, I'm sure glad about this!

I am too, i just did not notice it in the patch notes...

Nutlaw · 04-07-2007, 09:52 AM

This was claimed fixed in the first patch and verified by the beta testers. If you continue to have trouble with this issue, please contact a moderator to reopen this thread.

03-22-2007, 11:13 AM	#23
Personal Attack Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 10	To echo ctorg, I'm not 'upset' considering this is a function the game didn't already have. I just think that it is a good candidate for a tweak in future updates because it is inconsistent with MLB recordkeeping. __________________ Artist formerly known as sixto.

03-22-2007, 12:50 PM	#28
rem Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: College Park, Md. Posts: 5,024	Please change this Markus. __________________ OTBA: Washington Filibusters CLBR: Minnesota Twins 2005 Winner of LL's Pick the Loser Contest! - 15-0

03-22-2007, 05:30 PM	#30
The Professor Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: East of East Posts: 3,020	Yeah, this is something that absolutely must be changed. As a design choice, it is an odd one. __________________ History isn't really about the past - settling old scores. It's about defining the present and who we are."

03-22-2007, 11:36 AM	#24
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506	Beta folks, could someone please log this in TT, just so we don't lose track of it? Thanks!

03-22-2007, 04:31 PM	#29
Doughnuts? All Star Reserve Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 704	Another voice added to the chorus of people requesting this be changed. Willie Mays' records for the NY Giants not showing up in the history of the SF Giants? Doesn't make sense.

03-27-2007, 02:19 PM	#35
billethius All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 822	This has been marked as fixed for the upcoming patch.

04-07-2007, 09:52 AM	#39
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,538	This was claimed fixed in the first patch and verified by the beta testers. If you continue to have trouble with this issue, please contact a moderator to reopen this thread.