No distiction between Low A and High A?

crafty35a · 03-24-2007, 10:36 PM

Why is there no distinction in the game between "Low A" and "High A"? Instead I can only have two "Single A" level teams - this is not the case in real life at all, there is a definite distinction between the two. Am I missing something?

Thanks!

Raidergoo · 03-24-2007, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by crafty35a

Why is there no distinction in the game between "Low A" and "High A"? Instead I can only have two "Single A" level teams - this is not the case in real life at all, there is a definite distinction between the two. Am I missing something?

Thanks!

The game does not yet distinguish between the two yet, or Rookie ball either. It just treats it like another parking lot for talent.

You are not missing anything, and this is an item rich in possibilities for future editions.

For example, college level players should dominate Low A or Rookie Ball, and have a tough time developing in these levels in OOTP, because the quality of play is low. Many of these players in real life are coming straight out of high school.

crafty35a · 03-24-2007, 10:44 PM

Wait, are you telling me that Rookie Ball is the same as Single A ball? If that is the case, then why does my Minor League report tell me when player's on my rookie ball team (GCL) are ready for a promotion to short season A ball?

Carplos · 03-24-2007, 10:48 PM

He meant it doesn't distinguish between the AZL/GCL and Pioneer/NYPL neither.

I think I pointed out like 15 times last year, though, MLB officially removed the distinctions between the two A and two R levels. Yes, yes, I know if you look at the (MLBAM-run) Minor League Baseball website, they distinguish, but...

Raidergoo · 03-24-2007, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by crafty35a

Wait, are you telling me that Rookie Ball is the same as Single A ball? If that is the case, then why does my Minor League report tell me when player's on my rookie ball team (GCL) are ready for a promotion to short season A ball?

Because he has far surpassed the level of competition in Rookie Ball. To face comparable talent, he'd have to promote. Remember, if you leave a player at a level where he is just tearing it up and dominating for too long, you will stunt his development.

Le Grande Orange · 03-24-2007, 10:51 PM

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Wait, are you telling me that Rookie Ball is the same as Single A ball?

No, he's saying that just as there are two levels in A (Advanced A, a.k.a. "High A", and A, a.k.a "Low A"), there are two levels in Rookie (Rookie Advanced and Rookie).

The classifications are: AAA, AA, Advanced A, A, Short Season A, Rookie Advanced, and Rookie.

Raidergoo · 03-24-2007, 10:53 PM

The clocks screwed up on the board, isn't it? I'm an hour ahead.

crafty35a · 03-24-2007, 10:53 PM

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Because he has far surpassed the level of competition in Rookie Ball. To face comparable talent, he'd have to promote. Remember, if you leave a player at a level where he is just tearing it up and dominating for too long, you will stunt his development.

I think I misunderstood your response. It sounded like you were saying that Rookie Ball and A-ball are essentially the same level, just with different names. Thanks for the responses.

Raidergoo · 03-24-2007, 10:54 PM

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I think I misunderstood your response. It sounded like you were saying that Rookie Ball and A-ball are essentially the same level, just with different names. Thanks for the responses.

Well, I am a klutz with the language. I think that this area (the minors) can be treated with more realism in the future.

darkcloud4579 · 03-24-2007, 11:17 PM

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No, he's saying that just as there are two levels in A (Advanced A, a.k.a. "High A", and A, a.k.a "Low A"), there are two levels in Rookie (Rookie Advanced and Rookie).

The classifications are: AAA, AA, Advanced A, A, Short Season A, Rookie Advanced, and Rookie.

Advanced A, and regular A are semantic descriptions. Minor League baseball doesn't classify them that way, it's just a "understood" designation.

So to have the game to do it would be kinda silly.

crafty35a · 03-24-2007, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by darkcloud4579

Advanced A, and regular A are semantic descriptions. Minor League baseball doesn't classify them that way, it's just a "understood" designation.

So to have the game to do it would be kinda silly.

Well, regardless of how mLB classifies them, teams use them in a certain way. Specifically, player progress from low A to high A. So in my opinion, there should be a way to emulate this in the game. But I certainly wouldn't call this a high priority.

Raidergoo · 03-24-2007, 11:50 PM

Next year in Jerusalem.

JHruska · 03-25-2007, 12:43 AM

So what's keeping someone from creating two separate A levels, and changing the PCMs or MLEs to make one tougher than the other? Wouldn't the teams then treat them in-game much as teams do in real life, advancing a player from Rookie ball to the easier A-level, and then to the tougher A-level after another ratings bump or two?

Curtis · 03-25-2007, 01:00 AM

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Next year in Jerusalem.

Maybe not, because…

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So what's keeping someone from creating two separate A levels, and changing the PCMs or MLEs to make one tougher than the other? Wouldn't the teams then treat them in-game much as teams do in real life, advancing a player from Rookie ball to the easier A-level, and then to the tougher A-level after another ratings bump or two?

Marcus posted in to recommend exactly this. If you want six, seven or more 'levels' of minors, this is the way to do it. You should note that the game engine won't check the MLE/PCMs to figure out which is a 'higher' level of two A or Rookie leagues, so you might find them inverted in the affiliated teams popup menu in the lower right.

Anyway, since Marcus seems to think this is an elegant way of dealing with the issue, it's entirely possible that we're going to spend forty years wandering in the desert, instead.

KySteveH · 03-25-2007, 04:16 PM

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You should note that the game engine won't check the MLE/PCMs to figure out which is a 'higher' level of two A or Rookie leagues, so you might find them inverted in the affiliated teams popup menu in the lower right.

Actually, it's even worse than that...The order they appear in get switched each time you open/save the league.

Carplos · 03-25-2007, 04:33 PM

In 2006, the order depended on the team id, which is really something needs (did?) to get fixed.

Le Grande Orange · 03-25-2007, 06:41 PM

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Advanced A, and regular A are semantic descriptions. Minor League baseball doesn't classify them that way, it's just a "understood" designation.

Not according to what my source says about the MLRs. They are in fact actual classifications.

The Dominican Summer League is also an official part of the minor league baseball structure; the Venezuelan Summer League status is a bit more uncertain, since it doesn't seem to be explicitly mentioned as part of the structure, but is effectively treated as a part of it.

JasonT · 03-26-2007, 01:33 AM

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Not according to what my source says about the MLRs. They are in fact actual classifications.

The Dominican Summer League is also an official part of the minor league baseball structure; the Venezuelan Summer League status is a bit more uncertain, since it doesn't seem to be explicitly mentioned as part of the structure, but is effectively treated as a part of it.

They did away with the High A and A level of minor league baseball in 2002....
However the system still develops players by moving them through the California, Carolina, and Florida State Leagues in the same way that has been done for years.

Also the Rookie League is recognized with two unofficial levels... Advanced level and Rookie but as noted, these are not official designations by Minor League Baseball

I believe Darkcloud is correct in that these are semantic descriptions and minor league baseball does not officially class them that way.

Curtis · 03-26-2007, 01:43 AM

Minor League Baseball as an organization might not, but the news services and parent clubs still list them as 'high A' and 'advanced rookie' in parentheses after the city name, as in, 'The St. Lucie Mets (high A)'.

Le Grande Orange · 03-26-2007, 02:40 AM

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Also the Rookie League is recognized with two unofficial levels... Advanced level and Rookie but as noted, these are not official designations by Minor League Baseball.

The section of the Major League Rules regarding minor league classifications and other areas related to minor league baseball would seem to disagree with this.

For what it's worth, minor league baseball's own offical web site lists Advanced A and A as seprate classifications; it does not list any similar separation of the Rookie level.

03-24-2007, 10:36 PM	#1
crafty35a Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 45	No distiction between Low A and High A? Why is there no distinction in the game between "Low A" and "High A"? Instead I can only have two "Single A" level teams - this is not the case in real life at all, there is a definite distinction between the two. Am I missing something? Thanks!

03-24-2007, 10:44 PM	#3
crafty35a Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 45	Wait, are you telling me that Rookie Ball is the same as Single A ball? If that is the case, then why does my Minor League report tell me when player's on my rookie ball team (GCL) are ready for a promotion to short season A ball?

03-24-2007, 10:48 PM	#4
Carplos Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 2,855 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	He meant it doesn't distinguish between the AZL/GCL and Pioneer/NYPL neither. I think I pointed out like 15 times last year, though, MLB officially removed the distinctions between the two A and two R levels. Yes, yes, I know if you look at the (MLBAM-run) Minor League Baseball website, they distinguish, but...

03-24-2007, 10:53 PM	#7
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,005	The clocks screwed up on the board, isn't it? I'm an hour ahead.

03-24-2007, 11:50 PM	#12
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,005	Next year in Jerusalem.

03-25-2007, 12:43 AM	#13
JHruska Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: TN Posts: 133	So what's keeping someone from creating two separate A levels, and changing the PCMs or MLEs to make one tougher than the other? Wouldn't the teams then treat them in-game much as teams do in real life, advancing a player from Rookie ball to the easier A-level, and then to the tougher A-level after another ratings bump or two?

03-25-2007, 04:33 PM	#16
Carplos Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 2,855 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	In 2006, the order depended on the team id, which is really something needs (did?) to get fixed.

03-26-2007, 01:43 AM	#19
Curtis Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Watertown, New York Posts: 4,567	Minor League Baseball as an organization might not, but the news services and parent clubs still list them as 'high A' and 'advanced rookie' in parentheses after the city name, as in, 'The St. Lucie Mets (high A)'.