TRTR : Day 11

Marc Duffy · 03-06-2007, 12:54 PM

Off-season Ease and Immersiveness

One of the most noticeable changes in OOTPB 2007 is the availability of new tools and reports that help organize and speed up the process of evaluating and improving your team.

http://www.ootpbaseball.net/clubhous...gid=26&id=1287

2 new screenshots added of the wizard feature (http://www.ootpbaseball.net/screensh...6&&m=03&y=2007)

Andy · 03-06-2007, 01:01 PM

Good read. Can't wait to try out the offseasonn in the new game.

jtb · 03-06-2007, 01:03 PM

Awesome TRTR today!

Riverdome · 03-06-2007, 01:07 PM

Very nice write up. Thanks for taking the time!

CHCfan · 03-06-2007, 01:09 PM

Question about the offers screen: can we withdraw offers, unlike last version? Also do we confirm a deal after the player agrees (i.e. like in a trade, we need to confirm)? This really bugged me about v.2006

Muppetus Galacticus · 03-06-2007, 01:11 PM

Fantastic TRTR

sfeldkamp · 03-06-2007, 01:30 PM

You moved a player multiple spots the wrong way on the defensive spectrum and had success?!

Can you post defensive stats / rankings for Will Hoffman?

I'm having nightmare flashbacks of user board people (and bloggers!) in Kansas City suggesting that all the answers to our shortstop problems with Berroa is to just move Teahan or Gordon to shortstop.

Doughnuts? · 03-06-2007, 01:35 PM

Good write up. Looks like the fun of 6.5 is back.

endgame · 03-06-2007, 01:47 PM

Excellent recap of the experience. Who's the author of this blog?

disposableheros · 03-06-2007, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by endgame

Excellent recap of the experience. Who's the author of this blog?

Nutlaw

(sorry, dont know your real name

)

TNCubsFan · 03-06-2007, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sfeldkamp

You moved a player multiple spots the wrong way on the defensive spectrum and had success?!

Can you post defensive stats / rankings for Will Hoffman?

Second this request please. This made me raise my eyebrow too.

JHruska · 03-06-2007, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sfeldkamp

You moved a player multiple spots the wrong way on the defensive spectrum and had success?!

Can you post defensive stats / rankings for Will Hoffman?

I'm having nightmare flashbacks of user board people (and bloggers!) in Kansas City suggesting that all the answers to our shortstop problems with Berroa is to just move Teahan or Gordon to shortstop.

I assumed he meant that the guy was rated at SS.

endgame · 03-06-2007, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JHruska

I assumed he meant that the guy was rated at SS.

My thoughts as well. Based the author's careful observations and considerations, it would have been difficult for me to believe otherwise.

disposableheros · 03-06-2007, 02:07 PM

maybe he was a SS that got moved to 3B by his previous organization?

and even if he wasnt, there are exceptions to every rule. i wouldnt freak out because you see 1 instance, id wait until i saw multiple unexplainable instances

skywalkr2 · 03-06-2007, 02:22 PM

My biggest issue here is why would an AI team trade a 4 star 3Bman who is making the league minimum for a high potential prospect. That makes zero sense to me and makes me think the AI trades aren't as great as people have said so far.

Can someone give me a reason why this wasn't completely lopsided?

endgame · 03-06-2007, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skywalkr2

My biggest issue here is why would an AI team trade a 4 star 3Bman who is making the league minimum for a high potential prospect. That makes zero sense to me and makes me think the AI trades aren't as great as people have said so far.

Can someone give me a reason why this wasn't completely lopsided?

Perhaps a weighted influence was the fact that the team, IIRC, was one in Rebuilding mode.

battists · 03-06-2007, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skywalkr2

My biggest issue here is why would an AI team trade a 4 star 3Bman who is making the league minimum for a high potential prospect. That makes zero sense to me and makes me think the AI trades aren't as great as people have said so far.

Can someone give me a reason why this wasn't completely lopsided?

Well, I didn't see Nutlaw's league, but there's any number of reasons a team might make this deal:

a. he was due for arbitration or free agency, and was going to cost a ton of money in the next year

b. team had a logjam at that position, or an upcoming stud at that position

c. team felt they weren't going to be competitive for several years and wanted to get value back

d. team's scouts didn't agree that he was 4-star caliber

e. team felt that an upgrade at another position was more important than keeping a 4-star 3B

f. 4-star 3B was under-performing

Those are just a few possible reasons. And of course, they might have just made a boneheaded decision, which is fine as long as it's not rampant.

Trade AI is ALWAYS going to be subject to second-guessing, and my guess is that even though we feel it has improved, there will still be people who complain about it. It certainly isn't perfect!

Steve

skywalkr2 · 03-06-2007, 02:28 PM

If the team WAS in rebuilding mode... I think that is another reason why they would keep a league minimum 4 star 3B. Rebuilding shouldn't mean... trading away any good player for prospects... it should mean trading away aging players for prospects / young players.

skywalkr2 · 03-06-2007, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by battists

Trade AI is ALWAYS going to be subject to second-guessing, and my guess is that even though we feel it has improved, there will still be people who complain about it. It certainly isn't perfect!

Steve

No doubt.. But I don't want to be able to just rook AI teams out of 4 star calibre players with 5 star prospects... that will make the game way too easy.

marc · 03-06-2007, 02:35 PM

Good stuff!

03-06-2007, 12:54 PM	#1
Marc Duffy SI Marketing Wizard Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Old Street, London Posts: 4,741	TRTR : Day 11 Off-season Ease and Immersiveness One of the most noticeable changes in OOTPB 2007 is the availability of new tools and reports that help organize and speed up the process of evaluating and improving your team. http://www.ootpbaseball.net/clubhous...gid=26&id=1287 2 new screenshots added of the wizard feature (http://www.ootpbaseball.net/screensh...6&&m=03&y=2007) Last edited by Marc Duffy; 03-06-2007 at 01:03 PM.

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03-06-2007, 02:35 PM	#20
marc Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,505	Good stuff! __________________

03-06-2007, 01:01 PM	#2
Andy Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 2,270	Good read. Can't wait to try out the offseasonn in the new game.

03-06-2007, 01:03 PM	#3
jtb All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 596	Awesome TRTR today!

03-06-2007, 01:09 PM	#5
CHCfan All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Grand Island, NE Posts: 1,117	Question about the offers screen: can we withdraw offers, unlike last version? Also do we confirm a deal after the player agrees (i.e. like in a trade, we need to confirm)? This really bugged me about v.2006

03-06-2007, 01:30 PM	#7
sfeldkamp Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 184	You moved a player multiple spots the wrong way on the defensive spectrum and had success?! Can you post defensive stats / rankings for Will Hoffman? I'm having nightmare flashbacks of user board people (and bloggers!) in Kansas City suggesting that all the answers to our shortstop problems with Berroa is to just move Teahan or Gordon to shortstop.

03-06-2007, 01:35 PM	#8
Doughnuts? All Star Reserve Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 704	Good write up. Looks like the fun of 6.5 is back.

03-06-2007, 02:22 PM	#15
skywalkr2 Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: St Louis, MO Posts: 438	My biggest issue here is why would an AI team trade a 4 star 3Bman who is making the league minimum for a high potential prospect. That makes zero sense to me and makes me think the AI trades aren't as great as people have said so far. Can someone give me a reason why this wasn't completely lopsided?

03-06-2007, 02:28 PM	#18
skywalkr2 Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: St Louis, MO Posts: 438	If the team WAS in rebuilding mode... I think that is another reason why they would keep a league minimum 4 star 3B. Rebuilding shouldn't mean... trading away any good player for prospects... it should mean trading away aging players for prospects / young players.