What is wrong with the NBA? - Page 2

marc · 02-01-2007, 10:47 AM

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Hi, I'm racist

Fixed.

swampdragon · 02-01-2007, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by marc

Fixed.

It's a lot more complicated than that. It is possible to intensely dislike the hip-hop culture separately from the race of the persons who populate it.

marc · 02-01-2007, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by swampdragon

It's a lot more complicated than that. It is possible to intensely dislike the hip-hop culture separately from the race of the persons who populate it.

Well then he shouldn't be watching his beloved NFL either because there's just as much "thuggery" displayed by them. It's also funny that bball players are thugs when they get into fights on the court and hockey players are just playing the game.

Anyways, I'm done with this topic, I'm glad Tank Johnson got a judges permission to leave the state of Illinois for the Super Bowl. He would fit right in in the NBA apparently.

swampdragon · 02-01-2007, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by marc

Well then he shouldn't be watching his beloved NFL either because there's just as much "thuggery" displayed by them. It's also funny that bball players are thugs when they get into fights on the court and hockey players are just playing the game.

Anyways, I'm done with this topic, I'm glad Tank Johnson got a judges permission to leave the state of Illinois for the Super Bowl. He would fit right in in the NBA apparently.

Many of the same objections do apply to the NFL. Reggie Bush didn't need to point at the cornerback and turn a flip into the end zone. It was classless and decreased my enjoyment of his game (It may have also awakened the Bears, but that's another thread). I watch the NBA a lot more than the NFL, because the powers-that-be do their damndest to try to keep all that nonsense off the court.

I don't agree with Phesta here, but I don't think the opinion makes him racist.

Andy · 02-01-2007, 11:05 AM

I don't see why the NFL always gets a pass. In MLB you have the steroids issue, and the NBA is the "thug" image, yet these are both prominent in the NFL but they rarely get any press.

His Own Bad Self · 02-01-2007, 11:05 AM

Why is there no such outcry over baseball fights as there was after the Knicks-Nuggets fight? Is that only because baseball fans are so far removed from the action?

marc · 02-01-2007, 11:05 AM

The fact of the matter is, the NFL gets a free pass on everything, off the field incidents in the NFL occur more than in the NBA, yet the NBA is a "thug" league.

There's no doubt in my mind that steroids were just as prevalent in the NFL as MLB in the 90s yet baseball takes the wrap for that.

I love the NFL, it's my favorite pro sport but no NFL fan has the right to call out the NBA or MLB and sit there and act like the same things don't go on in the NFL and they usually go on at a higher rate.

This will be my last post on this matter because I'm not going to bang my head into a wall over this. Have a good day!

marc · 02-01-2007, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Andy

I don't see why the NFL always gets a pass. In MLB you have the steroids issue, and the NBA is the "thug" image, yet these are both prominent in the NFL but they rarely get any press.

HA! Nice, beat me to it.

mh2365 · 02-01-2007, 11:15 AM

I'm sure he's getting a lot of sympathy from the other rapists sitting in Fremont Prison in Colorado over his one game suspension.

Lazareth · 02-01-2007, 11:16 AM

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I'm sure he's getting a lot of sympathy from the other rapists sitting in Fremont Prison in Colorado over his one game suspension.

clutch!

Caporegime · 02-01-2007, 11:20 AM

25-30 years ago: No one cared about the NBA. The Finals used to be shown on tape-delay.

10 Years ago: The NBA could seemingly do no wrong. Everyone wanted to "be like Mike", and many a trendy, tofu-eating, latte-drinking vacuous talking head in the media predicted that the NBA would soon surpass MLB in terms of popularity.

Today we ask: "What's wrong with the NBA?" Maybe the question we should be asking is why we ever cared about the NBA in the first place. Maybe the league has simply come full circle. Maybe David Stern simply hasn't devised the right advertising campaign to appeal to this decade's power-walking, "Whatever's-in-this-week", trendy Yuppie douche bag demographic yet.

Who knows, who cares. One thing I do know, hell will probably freeze over before regular, middle/working-class fans will ever be able to afford to attend NBA games again on a semi-regular basis, and maybe that's what's wrong with the NBA.

Lazareth · 02-01-2007, 11:28 AM

At least 35 NFL players have been arrested this year on charges ranging from disorderly conduct to felony burglary, that's less than one team. Over 26 NBA players have been arrested in the same time frame. That's over TWO teams.

There's approximately 1,440 players in the NFL. Of those, 35 have had run ins with the law in the past year. Compare that to 360 players in the NBA, with 26 of those players having run ins with the law. Well you decide which is the higher percentage.

marc · 02-01-2007, 11:28 AM

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Who knows, who cares. One thing I do know, hell will probably freeze over before regular, middle/working-class fans will ever be able to afford to attend NBA games again on a semi-regular basis, and maybe that's what's wrong with the NBA.

The NBA is the most affordable of the major sports leagues. It's wayyyy cheaper than NFL. Hockey may have caught up but that's only because of the strike. As of just a few years ago the Sixers were the cheapest ticket in Philly.

Caporegime · 02-01-2007, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by marc

The NBA is the most affordable of the major sports leagues. It's wayyyy cheaper than NFL. Hockey may have caught up but that's only because of the strike. As of just a few years ago the Sixers were the cheapest ticket in Philly.

I can't speak for other cities, but here in NYC, I was priced out of The Garden a long time ago. As expensive as Yankee tickets have gotten over the years, I can still afford a decent weekend season ticket package.

I guess the point of my rant was that David Stern & co. has never cared about the people who used to comprise the fanbase of the NBA, that being middle-class urban fans...you know, the schmucks who used to stay up late and watch The Finals on tape-delay back in the late 70's, and who used to enjoy taking their families to the games.

When the league's popularity took off in the 1990's, ticket prices soared to the stratosphere and the crowds became decidedly corporate, and regular fans were left in the dust. I guess that's how David Stern wanted it, and that's how it remains today.

Andy · 02-01-2007, 11:41 AM

[QUOTE=Lazareth;2032180]At least 35 NFL players have been arrested this year on charges ranging from disorderly conduct to felony burglary, that's less than one team. QUOTE]

And 9 of them have been from the Bengals.

Lazareth · 02-01-2007, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by marc

The NBA is the most affordable of the major sports leagues. It's wayyyy cheaper than NFL. Hockey may have caught up but that's only because of the strike. As of just a few years ago the Sixers were the cheapest ticket in Philly.

Seriously? Do you just pull stuff out of the sky and expect people to buy it? NBA may be cheaper than the NFL per game, but you can buy season tickets much less as there's ONLY 8 home games. The NBA is MUCH more expensive than either MLB or NHL for average ticket prices per game. The AVERAGE NBA price for a ticket is just over $48 bucks. the NFL is a WHOPPING $58 bucks. MLB sneaks in at $22 bucks per pop while the NHL is at $43 on average.

And lets look at philly... The Flyers will nail you for $55.66 on average, the Eagles at $66.09, the Phillies at $26.73, and your thugish (wait, AI has been traded) 76ers will be there at $42.36. In fact, the 76ers/basketball are the ONLY sport in which PHilly tickets are below the national average.

So, actually, MLB is the most affordable sport in the nation AND in Philly. The NFL is higher in the nation, and slightly more so in Philly, but across the nation, the NFL is definately the best buy due to the fact that there are only 8 games at home vs 81 or 40 something that MLB and the NBA/NHL have.

In fact, for your money, a season ticket package to the NFL team is MUCH cheaper than a season ticket package to any other spoort, and is only marginally more expensive on a per game or per 8 game package.

Data found : http://www.teammarketing.com/fci.cfm..._nba_04-05.cfm

marc · 02-01-2007, 12:08 PM

No I don't just pull things out of nowhere, I get them from experience. As of a few years ago (and as I said things may have changed) I could get a Sixers ticket for $15, the only other team in Philly that even approached that was the Phillies.

The average price is great and all but the question was whether someone could afford A ticket to the game not the AVERAGE ticket. Anyone can afford the lower level NBA tickets, not everyone can afford the lower level NFL tickets.

Lazareth · 02-01-2007, 12:36 PM

oh, I'm sorry, were you sitting with all the poor in the nosebleeds? My bad. You'd never catch my rich white ass up there. Too many thugs for my liking.

nate7891 · 02-01-2007, 02:40 PM

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This will be my last post on this matter because I'm not going to bang my head into a wall over this. Have a good day!

I guess that didnt work at?

Skipaway · 02-01-2007, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Lazareth

oh, I'm sorry, were you sitting with all the poor in the nosebleeds? My bad. You'd never catch my rich white ass up there. Too many thugs for my liking.

It's misleading to compare average ticket price across sports anyway, since the stadium setting is different. One might even argue that using average ticket price is simply pointless, since the price distribution is designed differently from team to team.

Something like medium ticket price may or may not make more sense.

02-01-2007, 11:05 AM	#27
marc Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,505	The fact of the matter is, the NFL gets a free pass on everything, off the field incidents in the NFL occur more than in the NBA, yet the NBA is a "thug" league. There's no doubt in my mind that steroids were just as prevalent in the NFL as MLB in the 90s yet baseball takes the wrap for that. I love the NFL, it's my favorite pro sport but no NFL fan has the right to call out the NBA or MLB and sit there and act like the same things don't go on in the NFL and they usually go on at a higher rate. This will be my last post on this matter because I'm not going to bang my head into a wall over this. Have a good day! __________________

02-01-2007, 11:20 AM	#31
Caporegime All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: The Borough of Kings Posts: 1,714	25-30 years ago: No one cared about the NBA. The Finals used to be shown on tape-delay. 10 Years ago: The NBA could seemingly do no wrong. Everyone wanted to "be like Mike", and many a trendy, tofu-eating, latte-drinking vacuous talking head in the media predicted that the NBA would soon surpass MLB in terms of popularity. Today we ask: "What's wrong with the NBA?" Maybe the question we should be asking is why we ever cared about the NBA in the first place. Maybe the league has simply come full circle. Maybe David Stern simply hasn't devised the right advertising campaign to appeal to this decade's power-walking, "Whatever's-in-this-week", trendy Yuppie douche bag demographic yet. Who knows, who cares. One thing I do know, hell will probably freeze over before regular, middle/working-class fans will ever be able to afford to attend NBA games again on a semi-regular basis, and maybe that's what's wrong with the NBA. __________________ "If you don't know where you are going, you'll wind up someplace else." - Lawrence Peter Berra

02-01-2007, 12:08 PM	#37
marc Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,505	No I don't just pull things out of nowhere, I get them from experience. As of a few years ago (and as I said things may have changed) I could get a Sixers ticket for $15, the only other team in Philly that even approached that was the Phillies. The average price is great and all but the question was whether someone could afford A ticket to the game not the AVERAGE ticket. Anyone can afford the lower level NBA tickets, not everyone can afford the lower level NFL tickets. __________________

02-01-2007, 11:05 AM	#25
Andy Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 2,263	I don't see why the NFL always gets a pass. In MLB you have the steroids issue, and the NBA is the "thug" image, yet these are both prominent in the NFL but they rarely get any press.

02-01-2007, 11:05 AM	#26
His Own Bad Self All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,221	Why is there no such outcry over baseball fights as there was after the Knicks-Nuggets fight? Is that only because baseball fans are so far removed from the action?

02-01-2007, 11:15 AM	#29
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	I'm sure he's getting a lot of sympathy from the other rapists sitting in Fremont Prison in Colorado over his one game suspension.

02-01-2007, 11:28 AM	#32
Lazareth Banned Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 129 Infractions: 0/1 (4)	At least 35 NFL players have been arrested this year on charges ranging from disorderly conduct to felony burglary, that's less than one team. Over 26 NBA players have been arrested in the same time frame. That's over TWO teams. There's approximately 1,440 players in the NFL. Of those, 35 have had run ins with the law in the past year. Compare that to 360 players in the NBA, with 26 of those players having run ins with the law. Well you decide which is the higher percentage.

02-01-2007, 11:41 AM	#35
Andy Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 2,263	[QUOTE=Lazareth;2032180]At least 35 NFL players have been arrested this year on charges ranging from disorderly conduct to felony burglary, that's less than one team. QUOTE] And 9 of them have been from the Bengals.

02-01-2007, 12:36 PM	#38
Lazareth Banned Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 129 Infractions: 0/1 (4)	oh, I'm sorry, were you sitting with all the poor in the nosebleeds? My bad. You'd never catch my rich white ass up there. Too many thugs for my liking.