The European football thread

[bababui]

Originally Posted by Muppetus Galacticus

What if the replays were coupled with goal post/bar cams? A lot of times the officials cannot give a goal because they cannot see it, this would cut out that problem.

Agreed..with a chip in the ball that would know if it crossed the line.

[Muppetus Galacticus]

And stop making me post in here, my post count is rocketing up!

[bababui]

Originally Posted by Muppetus Galacticus

And stop making me post in here, my post count is rocketing up!

Blame the viagra, canine lover!!!

[Sdpm100]

Originally Posted by Muppetus Galacticus

What if the replays were coupled with goal post/bar cams? A lot of times the officials cannot give a goal because they cannot see it, this would cut out that problem.

Still the same problem with how to stop the game, and then how to restart it if no goal is awarded.

[Sdpm100]

Originally Posted by Muppetus Galacticus

And stop making me post in here, my post count is rocketing up!

You can take my place if you want. You seem to be more sensible and populist with your posts than me.

[Muppetus Galacticus]

Originally Posted by Sdpm100

You can take my place if you want. You seem to be more sensible and populist with your posts than me.

Sensible? Shh! I have a reputation to uphold :shifty:

[Muppetus Galacticus]

I might have missed it, but Milan sign Ronaldo

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...pe/6271487.stm

AC Milan have signed Brazilian striker Ronaldo from Spanish side Real Madrid for £4.95m on an 18-month deal.

Milan will pay a further £330,000 for the 30-year-old if they qualify for the Champions League in 2007 or '08.

[Muppetus Galacticus]

2005: Comedy is so far the only winner at Upton Park, as Rafa Benitez makes a meal of trying to get the ball back into play and ends up sliding on to his backside, much to the general merriment of the on-looking eastenders.

[marc]

Ronaldo Goal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LFC1892]

JUst a precaution, spolier ahead............................................. ...................
















2-1 Liverpool...Suck that Lucas Neill and your 120k a week pay packet.....oh wait, it's not about the money is it? It's about helping West Ham stay up and fight for European competition in the future. Thats whay you needed a relegation release clause. I am so glad you passed on Liverpool, who continue to climb the ladder and are now 2 points behind Chelsea.

Rant finished.

[theasfl]

Originally Posted by Hageneezz

Well i do,ADO still have got a home game against Ajax and we (ADO) are 17th in the table

figured you might be...could be worse

[theasfl]

Originally Posted by Sdpm100

theasfl, are you arguing with my assessment that all these stadium problems are hurting the league, or are you arguing with my statements which I understand to be correct?

As you know I guest read at BigSoccer, and there are no good news stories with regards a city that has 1) an owner, and 2) a stadium.
There is only bad news.
For example - Rochester's owner doesn't want to pay the expansion fee to join MLS and be a part of a single-entity set-up.
Milwaukee has an owner and no stadium.
Philadelphia had a stadium in New Jersey (???), but even that's disappeared off the radar.
And half of those cities on the Wikipedia list are either dead or never lived.

I just don't see any optimism, but as you also know I'd love to be proved wrong.

Im done arguing, you're doing the internet version of running around like a chicken with its head cut off.

[theasfl]

Originally Posted by Sdpm100

Do these officials only referee NFL games or do they have another job? If it's the latter, they are part-time employees.
The players don't do other jobs for the seven months of the year they aren't playing games, so they are full-time employees.

working two full-time jobs doesnt make you a part-timer at both. If you make enough from a job to live off of it you can be considered a full-time ______, and/or a professional ________.

NFL Players often work for other companies in the offseason, usually with endorsements and advertisements...they aren't part-time players.

[theasfl]

Originally Posted by Sdpm100

Still the same problem with how to stop the game, and then how to restart it if no goal is awarded.

they can have the fourth official review it as the game goes on, thats all I'll say on the subject

[LFC1892]

I was looking at the latest transfer news and found this. I wasnt exactly sure how the transfer market worked in the UK, but this was helpful.

The anatomy of a transfer deal

By Mandeep Sanghera


The transfer window will shut at midnight on Wednesday and there will be a frantic struggle as teams try to squeeze in deals before the deadline.
Last-minute bids, talks between clubs and contract negotiations are likely to dominate the day in a flurry of late activity.
BBC Sport gets the ins and outs of a transfer from leading agent Alex Cowdy of Touchline Soccer Ltd.


HOW DOES A TRANSFER START?

A written offer will be made for a player and the selling club may reject or accept any bid.
The two parties will then keep going backwards and forwards until they negotiate a fee.
Clubs may also contact an agent to work on their behalf and ask them to find a buyer for a particular player. This situation can arise if a player is not playing games.
An agent might also speak to a club who decide that for whatever reason it is in the best interests of a player to leave. An agent would be given permission to speak to other clubs and given a specific fee the sellers have in mind for the player.
You then have to delve through your contacts and I will either speak to a manager or a chief scout at a club.
In the summer, a player might be out of contract and you can spend quite a bit of time phoning clubs and trying to place a player at a particular club.
As an agent I will also speak to managers and chief scouts and ask which positions they are looking to fill. They might say we need a left midfielder or a big striker with pace and you have to check whether there is someone available for them in their budget.
If a player who I represent is under contract then a written offer will have to be put in to his club.


WHAT HAPPENS ONCE A FEE IS AGREED?

A fee can be agreed but it does not mean a move will go through. But, once it is, then the job of the agent is to agree personal terms on the player's behalf.
The agent is there to secure the best possible deal for his client and this can take a little time.
Professional and financial issues will be taken into consideration such as: whether the player is going to play, the wage and the length of the contract.
It is a bit of negotiation and compromise. The agent wants to realise a player's value to a club while the club will be looking to minimise their outlay as much as they can.
If the player is of a certain level the club will be prepared to offer him a better package than for a less valuable player.
Issues which arise in the negotiation process include:
An adjustable salary: This would see an increase in salary year-on-year and after a certain number of appearances.
A signing-on fee: This is a payment the player gets for signing for a club, although this may vary and depend from league to league.
At the larger clubs you get a payment when you sign and then a fee split over a couple of years.

If a number of clubs have agreed a fee for a player then he will weigh up a number of aspects.
These may include whether he is going to play more at one club than another, the package he is getting and how much he will have to uproot his family.
It often comes down to a wide range of reasons but for most players, first and foremost, it can be about how many minutes on the pitch they are going to get.


BONUSES AND IMAGE RIGHTS

There is plenty to be done in fine-tuning a deal and some of the major aspects can include negotiating the following:
Loyalty bonus: A player will get this for seeing out his contract at a club and it will be paid on the last game of the season in the final year of a contract.
Appearance bonus: If appearance money is X then you would get 100% for a start, maybe 50% for a playing substitute and 25% as a non-playing substitute.
Other bonuses: There can also be bonuses paid if a team wins the league, a cup, qualify for Europe or make a certain round of the cup.
Often when a young player signs his first professional contract with a club after graduating through the academy they might get a bonus on their first-team debut or after a certain amount of games. Their contracts are usually also re-negotiated after five first-team starts.
In addition, you can also have goalscoring bonuses, a clean sheet bonus, international bonuses and award bonuses.
Clauses can also be included which depend on whether a club is relegated. If this happens a player may have it in his deal that he will be released or can speak to other clubs if a certain fee is tabled.
Personal terms can sometimes take a bit of time with big players as there are more issues.
Image rights ownership This is an important issue in contract negotiations.
In short this is ensuring that the player has the right to control commercial use and exploitation of his image, voice and likeness.
Agents may help their players set up their own image company and the club may come to an agreement that the player can keep hold of his image rights and the club will pay the player for use of his image.


THE PLAYER'S ROLE

It is up to the player to concentrate on playing and the agent to take care of everything else.
What I say to my players is that I am there to advise them and take care of everything off the pitch.
I provide them with a comprehensive representation package: from contract negotiations and comercial opportunities to lifestyle openings and wealth management services.
Ultimately, the transfer decision will be discussed between the agent and the player, who may also speak to his family.
The agent should be doing things in the best interests of his player and, along with his player, will have to consider the standard of facilities at the club. Decisions may come down to the ambition of a club.
Also, sometimes personal terms cannot be agreed and deals can look like they are going to happen and then fall through.
After discussions with the player, he might decide he wants more money, not be happy with certain clauses or want a shorter or longer contract. It is then the agents job to tweak the clauses.
As part of a deal a player will also have to undergo a medical.


THE AGENT'S CUT

An agent can only be remunerated by one party. An agent will in most cases negotiate a fee with the buying club.
The club will then pay this as a lump sum or in annual instalments. Any fee due to the agent is recorded in the documentation relating to agents which is sent off to the FA Premier League and Football Association.
Of paramount importance to me is the happiness of my clients. You have to be a pretty unscrupulous agent to stop a player's move going through because of demanding high fees.
Having said that agents may have put months of work into facilitating a transfer and, as such, are entitled to be paid for the work they have undertaken.


WHEN THE DEAL IS DONE

Once everything is sorted certain documents need to be lodged with the relevant authorities for the transfer to be approved and registered.
Documents are lodged with:
The Football Association and Premier League if the transfer involves a player moving to a Premiership club.
The Football League and FA if the transfer involves a player moving to a Football League club. The documents include the transfer documentation, the financial agreement between the two clubs, the players contract, the players registration, the players bonus schedule, and any forms relating to agents.

[bababui]

Wow. Its like negotiating a treaty.

[Sdpm100]

Originally Posted by theasfl

Im done arguing, you're doing the internet version of running around like a chicken with its head cut off.

Fine. Forget about everything I've said on anything to do with MLS or football in general, because I clearly know nothing according to you.

[bababui]

Originally Posted by Sdpm100

Fine. Forget about everything I've said on anything to do with MLS or football in general, because I clearly know nothing according to you.

I dont think he is saying that...its not like because he disagrees with you on one point that he totally discounts and disagrees with everything you say.

[Sdpm100]

Originally Posted by theasfl

they can have the fourth official review it as the game goes on, thats all I'll say on the subject

I don't know why I'm bothering to write this, as you don't want to discuss it, but for everyone else.
Just imagine if that takes 15-20 seconds to find out, the other team could have gone down the other end and scored themselves.
Just imagine the riot you would have on your hands if you chalk out that goal to award a goal at the other end.

And even if that didn't happen, it would look ****ing stupid to stop the game mid-flow to award a "goal" for an incident that occurred 15-20 seconds ago. IMO, it would be more trouble than it's worth.

But hey, again, what do I know? It'll come in any way, irrespective of what I say. And most "real fans" seem to want it.

[Sdpm100]

Originally Posted by theasfl

working two full-time jobs doesnt make you a part-timer at both. If you make enough from a job to live off of it you can be considered a full-time ______, and/or a professional ________.

NFL Players often work for other companies in the offseason, usually with endorsements and advertisements...they aren't part-time players.

You can have a part-time and a full-time job.
Non-league football players have a full-time job during the week, and play football part-time at the weekend/midweek evenings.
IMO that is the same as NFL officials. You sound like Malleus Dei did when I had the dictionary on my side with a word. You seem to discount my explanation out of hand to suit your means.