The European football thread

[Sdpm100]

Originally Posted by bababui

Video worked wonders in this years Australian Open and actually changed the results of matches. If they can get it right, why not? Most sport is too fast to be seen correctly all the time.

Do we know this to be true? We only saw the hawkeye on its own, or the video replay (not on the line any longer) on its own. So how do we know how accurate it was?
In an early round match involving Amelie Mauresmo, the hawkeye picture clearly showed the ball out, yet the machinery called the ball in, and so that had to stand.
That may be a one in a thousand incident, but we don't know.

[Muppetus Galacticus]

Originally Posted by bababui

They are supposed to train...they get a fulltime salary but I am sure many do work other jobs.

Training? For a bit of running, throwing a piece of cloth and waving your arms around?!

[bababui]

Originally Posted by Sdpm100

Do we know this to be true? We only saw the hawkeye on its own, or the video replay (not on the line any longer) on its own. So how do we know how accurate it was?
In an early round match involving Amelie Mauresmo, the hawkeye picture clearly showed the ball out, yet the machinery called the ball in, and so that had to stand.
That may be a one in a thousand incident, but we don't know.

If you are going to be a purist..why not then get rid of the linesmen?

[Sdpm100]

Originally Posted by bababui

Ummm...no. They get full time salary and they are expected to train and study in the off-season. Using your definition, NFL players are also part-time.

You're wrong.

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

Because their regular season spans only 17 weeks, the NFL is the only major sports league in the United States that only pays their officials on a contract basis as opposed to being full time salaried employees. Advantages to this system include being able to eliminate unqualified Officials simply by not offering them a contract the following season where terminating full time employees would require them to show cause. Critics argue that full-time officials would free them from the distractions of a second job. But proponents of part-time officials point out that the NFL would lose a number of qualified officials because many of them are owners, presidents, or C.E.O.s of various companies. Furthermore, proponents argue, there is only one game per week and the regular season is only 4 months long. And having full-time officials does not necessarily guarantee that they will make fewer officiating mistakes. The level of training and review that NFL officials participate in - coupled with NFL Europe commitments for some of them - already makes additional time redundant. In any event, veteran officials can make quite substantial salaries for their work.

[Sdpm100]

Originally Posted by bababui

If you are going to be a purist..why not then get rid of the linesmen?

So you want a 90% accurate human to be replaced by a 90% accurate computer that costs ten times as much money then?

[bababui]

Originally Posted by Sdpm100

So you want a 90% accurate human to be replaced by a 90% accurate computer that costs ten times as much money then?

What are you talking about? Video technology is much more accurate than a human often trying to make decisions from yards away. Vid technology is 99.999% accurate and results can be reviewed.

[Sdpm100]

Originally Posted by bababui

Ummm...no. They get full time salary and they are expected to train and study in the off-season. Using your definition, NFL players are also part-time.

If I work for and get paid by an employer for five months of the year I am a part-time employee. That is what NFL officials are.

[Sdpm100]

Originally Posted by bababui

What are you talking about? Video technology is much more accurate than a human often trying to make decisions from yards away. Vid technology is 99.999% accurate and results can be reviewed.

Video technology is no more accurate than the human operating it, which you say is no good at the moment, so how is getting someone to watch a TV screen going to make any difference? Look at the awful decisions the NFL and college football officials have made using video.

[bababui]

Originally Posted by Sdpm100

You're wrong.

my post

They get full time salary and they are expected to train and study in the off-season.

Your quote from wiki

The level of training and review that NFL officials participate in - coupled with NFL Europe commitments for some of them - already makes additional time redundant. In any event, veteran officials can make quite substantial salaries for their work.

[bababui]

Originally Posted by Sdpm100

Video technology is no more accurate than the human operating it, which you say is no good at the moment, so how is getting someone to watch a TV screen going to make any difference? Look at the awful decisions the NFL and college football officials have made using video.

But the number of awful decisions are way down. Its foolish for the people at home to see what the correct call should be and not the officials. The rest of the world is constantly upgrading itself. Sport should do the same.

[Sdpm100]

Originally Posted by bababui

my post



Your quote from wiki

Do these officials only referee NFL games or do they have another job? If it's the latter, they are part-time employees.
The players don't do other jobs for the seven months of the year they aren't playing games, so they are full-time employees.

[Sdpm100]

Originally Posted by bababui

But the number of awful decisions are way down. Its foolish for the people at home to see what the correct call should be and not the officials. The rest of the world is constantly upgrading itself. Sport should do the same.

What have I just said? Bring it in if you want it. I don't care. But don't come crying if and when it all goes belly up. You want, you got it, so live with it.

[bababui]

Originally Posted by Sdpm100

Do these officials only referee NFL games or do they have another job? If it's the latter, they are part-time employees.
The players don't do other jobs for the seven months of the year they aren't playing games, so they are full-time employees.

According to your Wiki quote....

The level of training and review that NFL officials participate in - coupled with NFL Europe commitments for some of them - already makes additional time redundant.

Some indeed do work most of the year. But, semantically speaking, you are right.

[Sdpm100]

Originally Posted by bababui

According to your Wiki quote....



Some indeed do work most of the year. But, semantically speaking, you are right.

Look, you obviously know more about work laws than I do. So just ignore me if I mention it again.

[bababui]

Originally Posted by Sdpm100

What have I just said? Bring it in if you want it. I don't care. But don't come crying if and when it all goes belly up. You want, you got it, so live with it.

I favo(u)r always trying to move things in a better, fairer, more accurate way. As you argue, things will still go wrong because of the human factor. But, because of the fact that there will still be mistakes, should we quit trying to make things better?

[bababui]

Originally Posted by Sdpm100

Look, you obviously know more about work laws than I do. So just ignore me if I mention it again.

I wouldnt ignore you because your, and others, challenges make me rethink things. I get things wrong from time to time.

[Sdpm100]

Originally Posted by bababui

I favo(u)r always trying to move things in a better, fairer, more accurate way. As you argue, things will still go wrong because of the human factor. But, because of the fact that there will still be mistakes, should we quit trying to make things better?

I said if you want it that's fine. It's not going to matter what I think anyway, it will come in nonetheless, and it will probably be hunky-dory. On paper, it looks like it will cause more problems than it's worth.

[Sdpm100]

Originally Posted by bababui

I wouldnt ignore you because your, and others, challenges make me rethink things. I get things wrong from time to time.

I don't think so.
Look you're right, I'm wrong. That's fine - it's normal.

[bababui]

Originally Posted by Sdpm100

I don't think so.
Look you're right, I'm wrong. That's fine - it's normal.

IMO..most resolutions to disagreements arent so black and white. They are shades of gray where both parties have a portion of the truth. As in this case. Enjoy your victory young LukeSDPM100.

[Muppetus Galacticus]

What if the replays were coupled with goal post/bar cams? A lot of times the officials cannot give a goal because they cannot see it, this would cut out that problem.