The Boston Redsox Thread - Page 6

Joshv02 · 12-02-2006, 11:27 AM

Drew should be signed today-Monday. Now that the arb period is done, and the Dodgers were contractually forbidden from offering Arb, there is no lost draft pick to sign him. The agreed upon figured by the press appears to be 4/56 with a 5th yr option.

Assuming they sign DM, that alone would make this the best FA season possible. I had Drew and DM has the best position player and SP on the market this year. Getting them both is a bit of coup, imho.

Winter meetings start tomorrow. Something will happen on the trade front. A few GMs have stated they expect the next week to be busy.

thehatfield · 12-02-2006, 02:53 PM

Looks like Lugo did get arbitration though, unfortunately.

Sox offered Foulke arbitration but he's expected to decline.

This on Trot from the Globe:

Quote:

There had been indications that the Sox were interested in keeping Nixon as part of their outfield alignment in the event Ramírez was traded, but while Nixon still has the option of coming back, he is expected to receive a multiyear offer from another club in need of a starting outfielder.

Astros33Resurrected · 12-02-2006, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purple Cowboy

Looks like Lugo did get arbitration though, unfortunately.

Sox offered Foulke arbitration but he's expected to decline.

This on Trot from the Globe:

I have always liked Nixon for some reason. I hope he stays with the Sox.

Lastplaneout · 12-02-2006, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Astros33Resurrected

I have always liked Nixon for some reason. I hope he stays with the Sox.

I'm surprised that the Sox didn't offer arbitration. It seemed like a win-win situation to me. If he declined they would have gotten a draft pick. If he accepted they would have gotten a single year of service from a talented, but oft-injured outfielder (if the Drew signing happens, outfield depth ought to be a priority).

darkhorse · 12-02-2006, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joshv02

The BA article is subscription only, like you mention. But, the Globe did a puff piece on that today: http://www.boston.com/sports/basebal...n_their_class/

"Obviously, Daniel Bard jumps out," McLeod said. "In my career, I haven't seen anyone throw as hard and as easily as he does.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baseball America

"I was there for two of the outings where he threw 100, and he does so so easily that if you were standing on the side, you might think he was throwing 92 or 93. Tito [Terry Francona] was there one of the days and said, 'How hard is he throwing, 93?' The kid with the gun said, '99.' And those were legitimate guns.

Were they Ron Burgundy legit?

darkhorse · 12-02-2006, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CommishJoe

The Red Sox also moved closer to signing free agent outfielder J.D. Drew. The sides are in the drafting stages of a $70 million, five-year contract

L_R is still ecstatic that the BoSox did not re-sign Jesus last year.

messenjah · 12-03-2006, 04:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Astros33Resurrected

Santana and Pena for Lide and Berkman?Man we would be fools not to do that!

You're right, someone would have to turn on commish mode for that to happen.

Tony M · 12-13-2006, 06:32 AM

I wonder at what point today Borat (sorry Boras) will waiver. I'm reckoning at some point when Epstein and co are on their way to Lucchino's plane.

It's surely to Boras' advantage that Matsuzaka signs this year. If I was Mat and ended up being sent back to the Lions I wouldn't appoint Boras as my agent for next year's posting frenzy, and then he would lose out on him when he next becomes a free agent I would guess (burnt bridges and all that stuff)

I'm never a fan of agents. Jeez, if I was offered $6m a year but my agent said to hold out for $12m, I'd just take the $6m - any normal person could easily live on $100,000 a week (in fact most live on less than that a year)

If he does return to Japan, which I doubt will happen (Boras must have learnt from the Varitek and Weaver dealings), should the Sox put the $51,111,111.11 towards getting Zito and Clemens?

Syd Thrift · 12-13-2006, 06:49 AM

This is the real problem with agents. Boras wants to get the big contract to Daisuke so that his other player, Barry Zito, can then leverage his value based on that. It actually benefits Boras more if Matsuzaka doesn't sign than if he signs what would perceived to be below market value. The Seibu Lions are kinda screwed (although they do get Daisuke back for a year so there's always that), Daisuke himself is a little screwed, but Boras makes out fairly well. Yet another in the long list of reasons why this guy is the worst agent in pro sports. He must be the best BSer in the free world because that's the only way I can think of that players continue to allow him to represent them.

Joshv02 · 12-13-2006, 09:24 AM

JS: Seriously? The guy consistently gets the best contracts for his clients. Isn't that his job?

I think most teams had believed that DM would sign for ~$8mm (this may seem odd, but rival bidders were quoted in [IIRC, the NY Post] as such whene there was discussion over what constitutes a "good faith" argument). Thus, if he signs for $10mm, Boras just increased his clients pay day by 25%. That is some real value added.

Vris · 12-13-2006, 09:25 AM

However, it seems Boras won't budge from ~$15mil. Which is absolutely ludicrous, in my eyes.

Joshv02 · 12-13-2006, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vris

However, it seems Boras won't budge from ~$15mil. Which is absolutely ludicrous, in my eyes.

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/redSox/?p=794

... caveat: if true.

QuestGAV · 12-13-2006, 10:12 AM

There's no excuse for the Sox not getting it done at this point if that's true.

Joshv02 · 12-13-2006, 01:21 PM

... http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSo...ticleid=171833 ...

Vris · 12-13-2006, 01:59 PM

The first link isn't working for me, but the second is. I'm more optimistic now than I was when I drove to work today.

I'm assuming the first link is to the story where the Sox offered $8mm and Boras/DM want $11mm. I can understand why the Sox were wavering on that, but it's probably worth it, if that is the deal.

thehatfield · 12-13-2006, 03:27 PM

You can follow the progress of the flight right here.

Joshv02 · 12-13-2006, 03:28 PM

Heyman now reports 5/52 with incentives up to 6/60 on cnnsi.

Vris · 12-13-2006, 03:36 PM

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...gns/index.html

Syd Thrift · 12-13-2006, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joshv02

JS: Seriously? The guy consistently gets the best contracts for his clients. Isn't that his job?

Except when he doesn't. I just don't see how JD Drew benefitted from sitting out a year. I mean, I can definitely see how Boras benefitted in that he was then able to leverage Drew's situation onto all the other draft picks he represented - no longer was "I refuse to sign" just an idle threat. But an agent ought not to be operating in some overall gestalt best interest for all his clients all the time. He ought to be narrowly operating in the best interests of that one guy he's negotiating for and that guy only.

My issue here isn't so much that Boras is highballing the Sox, or that he doesn't want them to consider the sunk cost of the payout to the Lions, it's that from what I've read he's refused to negotiate, period.

Quote:

I think most teams had believed that DM would sign for ~$8mm (this may seem odd, but rival bidders were quoted in [IIRC, the NY Post] as such whene there was discussion over what constitutes a "good faith" argument). Thus, if he signs for $10mm, Boras just increased his clients pay day by 25%. That is some real value added.

And if he doesn't sign, all the parties are kind of screwed except for Scott Boras. I have nothing against agents, I just think Boras is horrible.

thehatfield · 12-13-2006, 05:08 PM

On a side note, I'm not that thrilled with this news:

Quote:

December 13, 2006
Mirabelli returning
By Gordon Edes, Globe Staff

Catcher Doug Mirabelli will be returning to the Red Sox next season.

A source with knowledge of the negotiations confirmed that Mirabelli agreed to a one-year deal, pending a physical. Last season, Mirabelli made $1.5 million.

But what are they going to do - give away Bard & Meredith and not even bring Dougie back?

12-02-2006, 11:27 AM	#101
Joshv02 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: , " Posts: 3,082	Drew should be signed today-Monday. Now that the arb period is done, and the Dodgers were contractually forbidden from offering Arb, there is no lost draft pick to sign him. The agreed upon figured by the press appears to be 4/56 with a 5th yr option. Assuming they sign DM, that alone would make this the best FA season possible. I had Drew and DM has the best position player and SP on the market this year. Getting them both is a bit of coup, imho. Winter meetings start tomorrow. Something will happen on the trade front. A few GMs have stated they expect the next week to be busy. __________________ Brookline Maccabees. RIP

12-13-2006, 09:24 AM	#110
Joshv02 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: , " Posts: 3,082	JS: Seriously? The guy consistently gets the best contracts for his clients. Isn't that his job? I think most teams had believed that DM would sign for ~$8mm (this may seem odd, but rival bidders were quoted in [IIRC, the NY Post] as such whene there was discussion over what constitutes a "good faith" argument). Thus, if he signs for $10mm, Boras just increased his clients pay day by 25%. That is some real value added. __________________ Brookline Maccabees. RIP

12-13-2006, 09:25 AM	#111
Vris Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: somewhere where I don't know where I am Posts: 3,251	However, it seems Boras won't budge from ~$15mil. Which is absolutely ludicrous, in my eyes. __________________ None Blog it.

12-13-2006, 01:21 PM	#114
Joshv02 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: , " Posts: 3,082	... http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSo...ticleid=171833 ... __________________ Brookline Maccabees. RIP

12-13-2006, 01:59 PM	#115
Vris Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: somewhere where I don't know where I am Posts: 3,251	The first link isn't working for me, but the second is. I'm more optimistic now than I was when I drove to work today. I'm assuming the first link is to the story where the Sox offered $8mm and Boras/DM want $11mm. I can understand why the Sox were wavering on that, but it's probably worth it, if that is the deal. __________________ None Blog it.

12-13-2006, 06:32 AM	#108
Tony M Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Here Posts: 6,156	I wonder at what point today Borat (sorry Boras) will waiver. I'm reckoning at some point when Epstein and co are on their way to Lucchino's plane. It's surely to Boras' advantage that Matsuzaka signs this year. If I was Mat and ended up being sent back to the Lions I wouldn't appoint Boras as my agent for next year's posting frenzy, and then he would lose out on him when he next becomes a free agent I would guess (burnt bridges and all that stuff) I'm never a fan of agents. Jeez, if I was offered $6m a year but my agent said to hold out for $12m, I'd just take the $6m - any normal person could easily live on $100,000 a week (in fact most live on less than that a year) If he does return to Japan, which I doubt will happen (Boras must have learnt from the Varitek and Weaver dealings), should the Sox put the $51,111,111.11 towards getting Zito and Clemens?

12-13-2006, 10:12 AM	#113
QuestGAV Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Connecticut Posts: 2,008	There's no excuse for the Sox not getting it done at this point if that's true.

12-13-2006, 03:27 PM	#116
thehatfield All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: dirty jerz Posts: 1,339	You can follow the progress of the flight right here. __________________ AFBL - Maryland Bridegrooms SBC - Western Suburbs Magpies no pressure no problem

12-13-2006, 03:28 PM	#117
Joshv02 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: , " Posts: 3,082	Heyman now reports 5/52 with incentives up to 6/60 on cnnsi. __________________ Brookline Maccabees. RIP

12-13-2006, 03:36 PM	#118
Vris Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: somewhere where I don't know where I am Posts: 3,251	http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...gns/index.html __________________ None Blog it.