2006 Chicago Bears - Page 14

The Professor · 11-28-2006, 11:07 PM

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So, Griese's 84.9 (thru 8 seasons) is significantly higher than Grossman's 74.4 rating

Griese's 84.8 is better than:

Jim Kelly 84.39
Roger Staubach 83.4
Neil Lomax 82.7
Sonny Jurgensen 82.63
Len Dawson 82.56
Ken Anderson 81.9
Bernie Kosar 81.827
Danny White 81.7
Troy Aikman 81.6
Dave Krieg 81.50
Randall Cunningham 81.47
Boomer Esiason 81.1
Warren Moon 80.9
Jeff Hostetler 80.48
Bart Starr 80.47
Ken O'Brien 80.44
Jeff George 80.42
Fran Tarkenton 80.35
Dan Fouts 80.2
John Elway 79.9
Tony Eason 79.72
Chris Chandler 79.1
Phil Simms 78.5
Bert Jones 78.21
Johnny Unitas 78.20
Jim McMahon 78.18
Bobby Hebert 78.00
Jim Harbaugh 77.60
Joe Theismann 77.4
Bob Griese 77.14

He is significantly better than several Hall of Famers. I'm pretty sure that Neil Lomax, Dave Krieg, Ken O'Brien, Bobby Hebert and even Champaign Tony Eason are all lamenting how the Hall of Fame jobbed them. Heck, Johnny Unitas, Joe Theismann and Brian's daddy Bob are hardly better than Rex Grossman.

I've changed my mind. The Bears need a bona fide Hall of Famer behind center and Griese is better than most.

Terpripken · 11-28-2006, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Professor

Chris Chandler 79.1

The journeyman's journeyman.

I Love Chris Chandler!!!

AnotherAlias · 11-29-2006, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by The Professor

I've changed my mind. The Bears need a bona fide Hall of Famer behind center and Griese is better than most.

That's what I'm talkin' bout!!!

AnotherAlias · 11-30-2006, 03:29 PM

Vikes are whing about Rex talking smack, trying to rattle our young quarterback.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/footb...bear30.article

JDOldSchool · 11-30-2006, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by AnotherAlias

You still haven't shared a better rating system, so I'll keep using it until you do.

Sorry. I can't participate in this discussion anymore because the sheer idiocy of this statement caused me to bang my head off the wall with such force that I think I gave myself a concussion.

Just because I haven't devised the ideal metric for rating a quarterback does not mean that it's ok to use a completely flawed and utterly useless one. The absolute sillyass logic required to make that leap creates all kinds of frustrating problems for me.

JDOldSchool · 11-30-2006, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by The Professor

Griese's 84.8 is better than:

Jim Kelly 84.39
Roger Staubach 83.4
Neil Lomax 82.7
Sonny Jurgensen 82.63
Len Dawson 82.56
Ken Anderson 81.9
Bernie Kosar 81.827
Danny White 81.7
Troy Aikman 81.6
Dave Krieg 81.50
Randall Cunningham 81.47
Boomer Esiason 81.1
Warren Moon 80.9
Jeff Hostetler 80.48
Bart Starr 80.47
Ken O'Brien 80.44
Jeff George 80.42
Fran Tarkenton 80.35
Dan Fouts 80.2
John Elway 79.9
Tony Eason 79.72
Chris Chandler 79.1
Phil Simms 78.5
Bert Jones 78.21
Johnny Unitas 78.20
Jim McMahon 78.18
Bobby Hebert 78.00
Jim Harbaugh 77.60
Joe Theismann 77.4
Bob Griese 77.14

He is significantly better than several Hall of Famers. I'm pretty sure that Neil Lomax, Dave Krieg, Ken O'Brien, Bobby Hebert and even Champaign Tony Eason are all lamenting how the Hall of Fame jobbed them. Heck, Johnny Unitas, Joe Theismann and Brian's daddy Bob are hardly better than Rex Grossman.

I've changed my mind. The Bears need a bona fide Hall of Famer behind center and Griese is better than most.

This list absolutely proves my point. Thanks Professor.

MorseMoose · 12-03-2006, 02:46 PM

Not much for Grossman today. Bears D is keeping them in this game.

molarmite · 12-03-2006, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MorseMoose

Not much for Grossman today. Bears D and special teams is keeping them in this game.

Fixed.

JDOldSchool · 12-03-2006, 04:37 PM

Sunday, just another day
Happy Bears fans pass my way
Looking in their eyes
I see a back so slick
I never realized
you made me so happy, oh Cedric

That's right, I just parodied Manilow. Cedric Benson rules.

The Professor · 12-03-2006, 04:52 PM

Boy, this game has me seriously rethinking my stance on Grossman. The Bears are running the ball fairly well today and Grossman has been Lousy. Just Lousy. The Bears are going to run away with the division and nab home field advantage, but I'm starting to suspect that they can be beaten by any of the other likely playoff teams...primarily because of Grossman. I'm more than willing to give him a generous benefit of the doubt, but if Brad Johnson hadn't handed the Bears the game with his 4 picks, Grossman seemed to be giving his best effort to give the game away.

I just don't know. :throwshandsup:

JDOldSchool · 12-03-2006, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The Professor

Boy, this game has me seriously rethinking my stance on Grossman. The Bears are running the ball fairly well today and Grossman has been Lousy. Just Lousy. The Bears are going to run away with the division and nab home field advantage, but I'm starting to suspect that they can be beaten by any of the other likely playoff teams...primarily because of Grossman. I'm more than willing to give him a generous benefit of the doubt, but if Brad Johnson hadn't handed the Bears the game with his 4 picks, Grossman seemed to be giving his best effort to give the game away.

I just don't know. :throwshandsup:

I was going to post something similar about Bernard Berrian, who doesn't seem all that interested in playing the ball ever.

Oh god, Hester is in at corner.

Cras · 12-03-2006, 07:22 PM

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Boy, this game has me seriously rethinking my stance on Grossman.

King Grossman clearly has lost that mojo he had and the begininng of the season. But is he really worse than Orton was last year?

IMO, Brian Griese has always been horrible and I have no reason to think he will all of a sudden turn into a legitimate player.

Stick with Grossman and pray he reverts back to his earlier form.

AnotherAlias · 12-03-2006, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cras

King Grossman clearly has lost that mojo he had and the begininng of the season. But is he really worse than Orton was last year?

Grossman 16 INTs in 12 games this year.
Orton 13 INTs in 15 games last year.

Cras · 12-03-2006, 08:28 PM

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Grossman 16 INTs in 12 games this year.
Orton 13 INTs in 15 games last year.

I guess he is. Play Orton then.

There is no way I will consider Griese to be better than Orton.

AnotherAlias · 12-03-2006, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Cras

I guess he is. Play Orton then.

There is no way I will consider Griese to be better than Orton.

I made a mistake. Grossman has 17 INTs. I thought he only had 2 today, but in fact, he had 3.

Griese might be a better option than Orton, at this point. He played well in preseason and has lifetime 63% completion rate.

Grossman's 6-19 34 yards and 3 INTs today are horrible numbers against the second to last worst passing defense in the NFL. He should have torn them up. Instead he played one of the worst games a Bears QB has EVER played.

Make the change, Lovie.

Cras · 12-03-2006, 08:37 PM

Play Orton. Griese has never impressed me in his three earlier jobs. He is the classic example of average. Orton on the other hand showed tremendous poise last year and dealt with a tough situation very well. I would love to see what Orton can do, mostly because I see Orton having a bigger future with the Bears than Griese, or Grossman after this last disaster.

AnotherAlias · 12-03-2006, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Cras

Play Orton. Griese has never impressed me in his three earlier jobs. He is the classic example of average. Orton on the other hand showed tremendous poise last year and dealt with a tough situation very well. I would love to see what Orton can do, mostly because I see Orton having a bigger future with the Bears than Griese, or Grossman after this last disaster.

I wonder where all of the Grossman apologists are hiding?

They were lucky to win this game. Minnesota had the ball twice as long as the Bears did.

Cras · 12-03-2006, 08:50 PM

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They were lucky to win this game. Minnesota had the ball twice as long as the Bears did.

True, but don't hold your breath for a QB change. After hearing Lovie's press conference, I see little chance that Grossman will get benched.

AnotherAlias · 12-03-2006, 08:52 PM

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True, but don't hold your breath for a QB change. After hearing Lovie's press conference, I see little chance that Grossman will get benched.

I missed it. What did he say?

Cras · 12-03-2006, 08:54 PM

He stressed that the Bears play well with Grossman, won 10 games with im, they won the division with Grossman, and that there will be no change.

I get the idea of not changing a horse in mid race, especially if you won the division in week 13.

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The Professor Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: East of East Posts: 3,020	Boy, this game has me seriously rethinking my stance on Grossman. The Bears are running the ball fairly well today and Grossman has been Lousy. Just Lousy. The Bears are going to run away with the division and nab home field advantage, but I'm starting to suspect that they can be beaten by any of the other likely playoff teams...primarily because of Grossman. I'm more than willing to give him a generous benefit of the doubt, but if Brad Johnson hadn't handed the Bears the game with his 4 picks, Grossman seemed to be giving his best effort to give the game away. I just don't know. :throwshandsup: __________________ History isn't really about the past - settling old scores. It's about defining the present and who we are."

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Cras Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: LEO Posts: 3,789	Play Orton. Griese has never impressed me in his three earlier jobs. He is the classic example of average. Orton on the other hand showed tremendous poise last year and dealt with a tough situation very well. I would love to see what Orton can do, mostly because I see Orton having a bigger future with the Bears than Griese, or Grossman after this last disaster. __________________ The Chicago White Sox 1906, 1917, 2005 World Series Champions 1900, 1901, 1906, 1917, 1919, 1959, 2005 American League Champions 2000, 2005, 2008 American League Central Division Champions 1983, 1993 American League West Division Champions OOTP \| Orbiter \| SSMS \| FSX \| LoL \| MLP:FIM!

12-03-2006, 08:54 PM	#280
Cras Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: LEO Posts: 3,789	He stressed that the Bears play well with Grossman, won 10 games with im, they won the division with Grossman, and that there will be no change. I get the idea of not changing a horse in mid race, especially if you won the division in week 13. __________________ The Chicago White Sox 1906, 1917, 2005 World Series Champions 1900, 1901, 1906, 1917, 1919, 1959, 2005 American League Champions 2000, 2005, 2008 American League Central Division Champions 1983, 1993 American League West Division Champions OOTP \| Orbiter \| SSMS \| FSX \| LoL \| MLP:FIM!

11-30-2006, 03:29 PM	#264
AnotherAlias Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I'm back...for now Posts: 4,190	Vikes are whing about Rex talking smack, trying to rattle our young quarterback. http://www.suntimes.com/sports/footb...bear30.article

12-03-2006, 02:46 PM	#267
MorseMoose Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 6,023 Infractions: 1/1 (1)	Not much for Grossman today. Bears D is keeping them in this game.

12-03-2006, 04:37 PM	#269
JDOldSchool Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,023	Sunday, just another day Happy Bears fans pass my way Looking in their eyes I see a back so slick I never realized you made me so happy, oh Cedric That's right, I just parodied Manilow. Cedric Benson rules.