Problems with Market Size/Fan Support/Fan Interest and its Effects...

[Matter2003]

Well, after testing this, I am extremely unhappy with the way this has been implemented...

I have tested by changing teams settings and seeing their effects and I have to say, teams that have 0/0/0 should not be filling 2/3 of their stadium.

Regardless of the size of the city, if there is no fan interest, you will not have much attendence. San Diego Surf Dawgs of the Golden Baseball LEague(Indy) and Calgary of the Northern LEague(Indy) are prime examples....each team is averging around 750 fans per game despite being in major cities.

Why are they still filling 2/3 of their stadiums with a 0 for fan interest, 0 for fan support, and a 0 for market size?

Also, it appears that these settings for minor league teams that are included with the major league teams(Rookie,A,AA,AAA) play absolutely no part in their attendance as they are all set initially to 0, and regardless of the settings they still draw a lot of people(at least 2/3)...

What is the deal with these? 0-100 means 0 is noone attending and 100 is the whole town wants to attend, not 0 means 2/3 of the town still comes, and 100 that everyone comes...If a team has a 10,000 seat stadium IRL, and they only fill it with 1,500 per game, I should be able to tweak it so their attendance drops to this level. Currently the only way I see to do this is to set their capacity to around this level...

This makes no sense to include this feature if it is not going to be implemented in a sensible manner...and it appears this plays absolutely no role in the minor leagues...its all based on the ML teams it seems...

Matter2003

[darkcloud4579]

Having it affect affiliated teams might be fair, because, in real life a minor league affiliate will draw better if a team has better players, etc.

[Matter2003]

perhaps, but not to the extent that it is now...

its hard to find AAA minor league teams that are filling 2/3 of their stadium every game, let alone the lower leagues...there needs to be some control implemented over this

[olivertheorem]

But not impossible.

Case in point: the Round Rock Express. When they were AA, they were packing the Dell Diamond with great regularity, setting minor-league attendance records. Same thing now that they're AAA.

But I suppose that's the exception, rather than the rule.

[Matter2003]

Originally Posted by olivertheorem

But not impossible.

Case in point: the Round Rock Express. When they were AA, they were packing the Dell Diamond with great regularity, setting minor-league attendance records. Same thing now that they're AAA.

But I suppose that's the exception, rather than the rule.

Yes I agree, it does happen...when the Buffalo Bisons built their new stadium downtown, they were selling out every game in a stadium that held 20,000, and shattered the minor league attendance record, and were also the first team in minor league history to draw over 1,000,000 fans during a season. They actually outdrew numerous major league teams that year as well...Not surprising, since Buffalo probably is the most sports crazy city in the US, but definitely not the norm...

Just cause it happens for 4 to 5 minor league doesnt mean its gonna happen for the other 200...

[Matter2003]

As a side note, the Bisons drew over a million people the first 6 years of the new stadium, and also still hold the minor league all-time single season attendance record with 1,240,951 in 1991...Not bad for a city that has no jobs, taxes out the wazoo, and bad economy, not to mention lots of people just scraping by...

[Matter2003]

Also wanted to point out that this would be pretty easy to do...

all that would have to be set is to allow us to adjust minor league attendance...

[aewin]

I have posted a link in technical support so it will hopefully get looked at.

[Raidergoo]

Needs moved to Tech Forum.

Flagged as issue. TT#1890.

I need some basic additional information, is this patched? Can you get some screen shots, too?

If possible, please attach to this thread.

[Matter2003]

Originally Posted by Raidergoo

Needs moved to Tech Forum.

Flagged as issue. TT#1890.

I need some basic additional information, is this patched? Can you get some screen shots, too?

If possible, please attach to this thread.

Basically, all the minor league teams in the same league/class draw the same attendance regardless of the fan support/market size/loyalties

I tested by setting all the EL teams to stadiums with 9000 capacity and virtually all of them were recording attendances of like 8944 every game, regardless of the settings...i tried 0-0-0(fan interest-fan loyalty-market size),100-0-0,50-0-0,50-5-5,100-10-10,etc, and they all were playing virtually in front of packed houses every night, which is by far the exception and not the norm in the minor leagues...

A lot of teams have stadiums of like 4500-6000 they have trouble filling half of on a regular basis, but apparently in the game, they are super-drawing teams....

It appears to me that the minor league teams of a league do not use these factors as any influence over their attendance, as they are all set to 0-0-0 at league creation...I will test in some of the independant leagues that have smaller stadiums and see what happens...

I could not get the images file sizes small enuff but I can email you a zip file that is like 1MB if you wanna PM with an address...

[CBL-Commish]

There's a league setting for average attendance, right? Does this have any impact? If you set a AA league's average attendance to 3500, do you get any more variability? If you set it to 1000, and have one city that's 10 times larger than all the others in the league do they draw 8000 a game, or 1300, or something else?

[Carplos]

The average attendance setting isn't adjustable for minor leagues. It's under the "rules" tab, which uses the ML settings.

[CBL-Commish]

Originally Posted by Carplos

The average attendance setting isn't adjustable for minor leagues. It's under the "rules" tab, which uses the ML settings.

Ok, so this is affiliated minors. So is this anything but cosmetic? Does minor league attendance in affiliated leagues effect anything? Does it give more revenues to the parent club?

For any league not set up as a fully-affiliated minor league the average attendance setting should influence things.

[andymac]

Originally Posted by Carplos

The average attendance setting isn't adjustable for minor leagues. It's under the "rules" tab, which uses the ML settings.

That is a problem IMO. The average attendance should be editable for each minor league if it is going to be realistic. Minor league attendance has very little to do with the major league club unless they are near each other.