New Arod23/Garlon DB now available

[mookie2661]

is minor leagues included in this? How can I get minors rosters for DL callups?

Thanks guys. Love the looks of this DB!

[Gil Thorp]

Is this DB park adjusted or is it best to just set all park factors to 1.00?

[arod23]

New version 1.2 can be downloaded now, with fixed names

[arod23]

Originally Posted by Gil Thorp

Is this DB park adjusted or is it best to just set all park factors to 1.00?

Not it is not park adjusted, stats come straight from Lahman and then some are modified per our readme.
Setting park factors is up to the user. If you set them to 1.00, then you lose the unique park differences that make simulating fun. However, at 1.00, you do put all players on a "level playing field."

[arod23]

Originally Posted by mookie2661

is minor leagues included in this? How can I get minors rosters for DL callups?

Thanks guys. Love the looks of this DB!

To the extent that there are enough players to fill the minors, this DB can be used that way. However, I think you will find that most years do not have enough players to fill out the minors and then fictional players need to be added...which most people don't want to do. I do not play with minors.

[Cowboys3356]

Originally Posted by HoustonGM

Loading 2005. Why does Barry Bonds have 723 home runs? It's givcing him 53 in 1994 and 37 in 1995. hea ctually had 37/33 respectively.

I could be wrong but I believe that there is a way to alter the career stats of players by overwriting the ones that they have in this database with the stats out of the original lahman database.

Can Arod or Garlon comment on this? I thought you guys posted instructions regarding this procedure once before.

[arod23]

Originally Posted by Cowboys3356

I could be wrong but I believe that there is a way to alter the career stats of players by overwriting the ones that they have in this database with the stats out of the original lahman database.

Can Arod or Garlon comment on this? I thought you guys posted instructions regarding this procedure once before.

I recall someone discussing replacing the career leaderboard somehow, but it wasn't me.

[Garlon]

1871 Quickstart file now available HERE

[turdfurgeson]

Originally Posted by arod23

I recall someone discussing replacing the career leaderboard somehow, but it wasn't me.

I believe it was Gambo, because his databse did not import with correct career stats, so you had to edit it in wordpad.

Have you guys noticed that when scouting is turned off, players often have ratings that are higher than their "potential" ratings. So far I have tried with career totals and rest of career, and this has been the case ( this has been with scouting off, so this should be the actual ratings, correct?) Is this intentional?

[pstrickert]

RE: the Arod23/Garlon DB

How do the developers of this DB assign ratings for Leader Ability, Intelligence, Work Ethic, etc.? Is it completely random? Thanks.

[arod23]

Originally Posted by pstrickert

RE: the Arod23/Garlon DB

How do the developers of this DB assign ratings for Leader Ability, Intelligence, Work Ethic, etc.? Is it completely random? Thanks.

That stuff is not based on any DB information. In past versions, other traits have been random, so I assume this is the case with v2006.

[Garlon]

turdfurgeson - some players current ability rating will be higher than their potential ratings. What this means is that they will start to decline. If you import a player in his best season or any other season above his career average...his talent ratings of "remaining career" or "entire career" will be lower than this season. You will also see many rookies with higher current ability ratings than their potential ratings...what this basicaly means is that a particular player had his best season as a rookie and started to decline from that point.

[turdfurgeson]

Originally Posted by Garlon

turdfurgeson - some players current ability rating will be higher than their potential ratings. What this means is that they will start to decline. If you import a player in his best season or any other season above his career average...his talent ratings of "remaining career" or "entire career" will be lower than this season. You will also see many rookies with higher current ability ratings than their potential ratings...what this basicaly means is that a particular player had his best season as a rookie and started to decline from that point.

Yeah, I do nto think this is quite right, from what I have seen, poking my head around other threads. I have seen this now with fictional, and historical and over many different databases. While at first I thought the same as your explanation, i saw the same thing with Gambo's data base (and I was pretty sure the Bobby Abreu did not have his best year as a 16 year old rookie!!!, but his ratings were higher than his potential)
But I hear it has been documented and will be looked at, and it only affects import year, from what I can tell, so no big deal.
Thanks for the reply.

[Cowboys3356]

Originally Posted by turdfurgeson

Yeah, I do nto think this is quite right, from what I have seen, poking my head around other threads. I have seen this now with fictional, and historical and over many different databases. While at first I thought the same as your explanation, i saw the same thing with Gambo's data base (and I was pretty sure the Bobby Abreu did not have his best year as a 16 year old rookie!!!, but his ratings were higher than his potential)
But I hear it has been documented and will be looked at, and it only affects import year, from what I can tell, so no big deal.
Thanks for the reply.

I don't know the exact impact of this with OOTP2006 but as someone who has been making roster sets since Version 4, Garlon's response as it relates to previous verisons IS correct. Mod makers like myself have set potential lower than actual so that a "one hit wonder" or someone with a short career would get off to a good start but fade out and not last like someone who was a star for the long term. Hopefully this will still work in OOTP2006 and so far I see no evidence that it won't.

[swampdragon]

Originally Posted by arod23

That stuff is not based on any DB information. In past versions, other traits have been random, so I assume this is the case with v2006.

I think so as well, and routinely edit work ethic and injury proneness on players that had long careers in real life. That's one way not to be completely disgusted at the Ty Cobb CEI. It's a shame that something can't be devised to get those two ratings off the database, because the injuries (at least) function to limit careers by giving a potential hit everytime there's a serious one.

[arod23]

*NEW to v.2.0*

- Deleted fielding data (eligibility) for positions where players did not play a significant portion of games

- Deleted UA/PL/FL league players who did not have significant playing time in other leagues
These leagues are considered by experts to be below “major” league levels. If included, these players influence the outcome of league performance in subsequent seasons.

- Created OF eligibility in other OF positions
Based on each player's primary OF position, we adjusted the games played in the other OF positions so OOTP would assign ratings for all OF positions. The reason is that OOTP only gives fielding ratings in OF positions in which a player actually played. So, OOTPs AI will not give a RF player eligibility in LF if they do not have any ratings. This creates situations where a team may have no eligible LF on a team but actually have six OFers. And, the AI may even insert a player that has no OF experience. Realistically, OFers should be able to play in any field, although their effectiveness may not warrant such a move. So, CF now get rated in the corners at roughly half their effectiveness. Corner OFers get rated in the opposite corner at half effectiveness and in CF at 25% effectiveness. Due to the way the two fielding files are setup, this was only done for 1871-1995 OF positions. So, players post-1995 will only have OF eligibility where they have accumulated actual stats. (We are working on ways to address this).

- Fixed zero "errors" in pitching and batting files.
We added 1 BB or 1 SO to a few players who had zeros for BB and SO data, typically players with little playing time. When BB and SO data is zero, OOTP's ratings for Gap, Eye, Ks, Control are out of line with other players (likely due to some ratio equation which doesn't like zero in the numerator or denominator). For example, zero strikeouts in 600 at bats is impressive and should be rewarded with a great K rating, but zero strikeouts in 5 at bats doesn't really warrant the same kind of rating. Also, players with triples and no doubles caused strange gap ratings, so in those cases we gave players one double. Very few players were affected.

- Fixed leap year birthdays.
In some cases, leap year birthdays (February 29th) cause an import error. These birthdays were changed to February 28.

The following files are also included for user preference:

- FieldingOF-actualOF.csv
This is the original OF file based on the actual historical OF data and does not include players having eligibility in other OF positions.

- Master-NoNicknames.csv
Copy of the master file with nicknames removed. Catobase for OOTP6.5 does not do well with nicknames.

[plannine]

3 Cheers to Garlon & Arod23 (3 beers too!!!)

[DaddyO]

Thank you SO MUCH to the creators of this database. We profit from your labor. You deserve all the credit we can give you.

As a new OOTP user, I am trying to play around with this database prior to the final verion of the patch next Tuesday. Then I will go into production on a historical sim.

So far I have created a new game that loads the database from 1970 and starts with the 1971 season. A couple of questions:

1. Should I have included hidden players? The first team I looked at only showed 22 players.

2. Though the sim started with the 1971 season, it looks like the history of existing players loaded for their prior career. This is FANTASTIC and unexpected...a GOOD thing to me. The farthest stats backward that I have seen so far are the early 60's. Is there a way to have the sim start in 1971 but load all MLB history prior to that into the database?

3. Does anyone have recommendations on the settings I should use for trades. Is LOW sufficient to discourage wholesale changes from history? I'd like to make it possible for a player to change teams via trade, but not very frequent. Anyone think RARE is a better choice...from their experiende?

[arod23]

A career average DB, based on our DB, is now available for downloading.

1. What is the Career Average DB format?
The Career Average format applies a player's average season statistics to all seasons in which he played.

2. When would I want to use this DB format vs the regular format?
You may want to use this format for importing rookie classes after first creating your league with the regular format DB.
The career average format should produce better results with pitcher development.
For single-season replays in which you are not interested in moving to the next season, the regular format is the better choice.

3. What are the pros and cons to the career average format for hitters?
With the career average format players will import based on their career average rather than their actual rookie stat line.
For a hitter like Ty Cobb, whose career average was .367, he will start out close to being able to hit that .367 mark of his career and he will consistently hit for a high average, but may never hit over .400.
With the regular fomat he may start out as a .315 hitter and gradually get better and may hit .400 a couple times.
However, there is probably a better chance he doesn't reach his full potential with the regular format and ends up as a bust.
Using either format, Cobb's career totals will be very similar, but the career arc will be very subtle with the career average format.
In a nutshell, using the career average format may give you more consistency but limit big single season performances somewhat.
Some players who had very poor rookie seasons but otherwise great careers, i.e. Ed Delahanty and Mike Schmidt, may never develop at all with the regular format but will become the great players they should be with the career average format since they start out stronger.

4. Why is the career average format better for importing rookie pitchers?
With the regular format DB there are alot of one-season rookie-wonder pitchers - meaning pitchers who had a great rookie season an therefore great initial ratings, but poorer potential ratings.
What happens is that many of these rookie wonders steal starting rotation spots away from pitchers who otherwise are much more deserving of a rotation spot.
Great pitchers often end up in the pen or busting because of so many of these types of pitchers filling up starting rotations.
The career average format smooths things out by making great pitchers better as rookies while the rookie wonder pitchers have their talent decreased since it is averaged together with their remaining career performance.
With the regular DB format, many great pitchers import with low endurance ratings which will also relegate them to bullpen duty.
With the career average format their endurance ratings which will be on target.

5. Ok, I like the idea of pitchers turning out better with the career average format, but I'd still rather have my hitters import as rookies in the regular format. Can I do this?
Yes.
In the Career Average folder you will see a file called Batting.csv, rename this file avgBatting.csv or something else.
You will also see a file called "Regular_Batting.csv", rename this file to Batting.csv.
Your hitters will now import in the regular format, while your pitchers will still import in Career Average format.
You now have a hybridized DB.

[arod23]

Some pitchers were still importing as DH, so we have updated the fielding.csv file. Most of these players were pre-1900.