Players appearing in free agency

lynchjm24 · 06-04-2006, 06:52 PM

I just finished the amature draft and thought I would pop into free agency, see what's around.

I'm finding some awfully good players available. For example I signed my now #4 ranked prospect on a minor league deal. There were also 5 other players that I signed that are legitimate prospects. These players were much better then the players in the draft after about round 4 or 5, so they aren't draft remnants (I used a 25 round draft).

Why are these players appearing - and how can I stop them from appearing?

Jason · 06-04-2006, 07:04 PM

What is your financial settings? Do you have a salary cap? Are team finances determined by market size?

It's possible some of your teams had cash flow problems and couldn't keep the players.

lynchjm24 · 06-04-2006, 07:39 PM

The players have no history. They weren't there when I signed a bunch of guys before Spring Training either, because I would have signed them at that point in time. As a matter of fact, I checked about a month ago in game time to see if there was anything interesting and there wasn't.

lynchjm24 · 06-04-2006, 07:40 PM

They all also took minor league deals, so the AI should have been attempting to sign them as well. There is no way I should have been the only one to find them.

kq76 · 06-05-2006, 07:25 AM

Although the GG says hidden players don't appear as FAs for other teams to sign, could it be that these are indeed hidden players who are appearing?

EDIT: TT#1668

Please post problems with the game on the tech support board [http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ay.php?f=3639] as it will help ensure they are resolved.

Marc Duffy · 06-05-2006, 10:06 AM

We're having trouble reproducing this.

bulldog55 · 06-05-2006, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by lynchjm24

They all also took minor league deals, so the AI should have been attempting to sign them as well. There is no way I should have been the only one to find them.

The AI doesn't understand the concept of a top prospect on the free agent market. Disabling the amateur draft means that all amateurs enter the league as free agents, but they'll sit unsigned past Opening Day.

Carplos · 06-05-2006, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by bulldog55

The AI doesn't understand the concept of a top prospect on the free agent market. Disabling the amateur draft means that all amateurs enter the league as free agents, but they'll sit unsigned past Opening Day.

While I've noticed the AI does need work on that aspect, not having every single prospect signed on opening day in leagues with no draft makes sense. They should be signed throughout the season.

bulldog55 · 06-05-2006, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carplos

While I've noticed the AI does need work on that aspect, not having every single prospect signed on opening day in leagues with no draft makes sense. They should be signed throughout the season.

It's fine if you're not managing a team against the AI, but if you are, it really puts you in a bind. Do you just sign them all yourself? Do you sign some players but not all? Do you avoid them completely? The first is obviously unfair, the second is arbitrary and hard to ensure fairness and the third will make it impossible to sign new talent.

The AI needs to know a top prospect when they see one (they surely can do that already), recognise that they have no service time and will be renewed for any number of seasons thereafter, and are still young enough to develop.

If you're just doing a historical commissioner sim, then it's fine, even though it's a bit arbitrary who signs whom and when, because you have the same evaluation AI going up against itself.

lynchjm24 · 06-05-2006, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc Duffy

We're having trouble reproducing this.

Try a little harder?

I've got a 22 year old American in the free agent pool. It's 6-21-06. He has no history.

20-80 scale
Range 80
Error 80
DP 80
SS 75

Contact 51/77
HR 22/33
Eye 43/68
Avoid K 37/51

He'll sign a minor league contract. He has a 77 contact talent. 77.

You like power?
I've already signed the 4 best power hitters available - but how about this:

23 yo 1b
80 rating at first
Contact 45/53
HR 43/74
Eye 53/70

74 HR talent and 70 Eye contact? He'll sign a minor league deal. Also, he's from Windham, Connecticut - might not seem like the US, but I've lived there and I didn't need a passport. No history either.

I could go on and on. There are pitchers with 74 stuff talents.

There is a pitcher who has 63/79/50 talents, 23 years old - no history. He's from Texas.

61 stuff, 80 movement 50 control 20 years old... Check he's available. From Georgia. No history.

I've done nothing but start the fictional MLB that the game defaults to. I've turned off coaches, that is all.

lynchjm24 · 06-05-2006, 07:09 PM

The AI is making signing. Just signed a 48/48/51 35 year old second baseman, who really can't play second base (35).

mavericktango · 06-05-2006, 07:20 PM

All I got in my free agent pool was 18 first basemen

DodgerGEP · 06-05-2006, 08:27 PM

It seems to go the same way for established major leaguers too. I've signed many top players to minor league deals.

Marc Duffy · 06-06-2006, 05:59 AM

Thankyou Lynchjm24, have provided further evidence to Markus for this bug

Marc Duffy · 06-18-2006, 04:09 PM

I just created a new league and everything "appears" to be fine. Could this be a SISA issue, or simply the fact the the quickstart has some nice FA available?

Mattymo · 06-18-2006, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lynchjm24

74 HR talent and 70 Eye contact? He'll sign a minor league deal. Also, he's from Windham, Connecticut - might not seem like the US, but I've lived there and I didn't need a passport.

You must have went to ECSU

TwinMonster · 06-18-2006, 04:58 PM

I had some free agent related things when I did a fictional league quickstart. I had the computer randomly assign players to teams and noticed that the team I signed with didn't have much talent so I went "shopping". I was able to load my team up with young talent both with hitters and pitchers that were sitting in free agency. Could this be what you're meaning lynchjm24? I've heard some others are having the same thing happen. Not all of them agreed to minor league contracts though.

Bears5122 · 06-18-2006, 05:29 PM

Maybe you should zip up the league and send over to the guys at SI so they can see exactly what you are seeing?

Qrusher14242 · 06-18-2006, 06:06 PM

I have problems in my historical league where teams just wont sign some guys. They're sit in the FA market for years and just retire.

lynchjm24 · 06-18-2006, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc Duffy

I just created a new league and everything "appears" to be fine. Could this be a SISA issue, or simply the fact the the quickstart has some nice FA available?

Well my issue isn't at league creation, I see that is a common issue. My league is in July after the amature draft and these players were not available in the draft, nor do they have any history. They are all Americans so it's not like my scouting is finding them.

I don't think it's scouting error because my scouts are both rated 10 across the board, and even if they are wrong by 20% the players would still be very good prospects.

Maybe the bug is actually more simple then it seems - maybe the players are being released by teams and it's just not finding it's way into their history? They don't have any stats though - and they still aren't being signed by anyone which is odd.

Edit: Yes, Go Eastern.

06-05-2006, 07:25 AM	#5
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06-05-2006, 07:20 PM	#12
mavericktango Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: UK, Europe Posts: 386	All I got in my free agent pool was 18 first basemen __________________ A Lost Soul

06-18-2006, 06:06 PM	#19
Qrusher14242 All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: CA Posts: 1,253	I have problems in my historical league where teams just wont sign some guys. They're sit in the FA market for years and just retire. __________________ "Go then, there are other worlds than these"

06-04-2006, 06:52 PM	#1
lynchjm24 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hartford Posts: 978 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Players appearing in free agency I just finished the amature draft and thought I would pop into free agency, see what's around. I'm finding some awfully good players available. For example I signed my now #4 ranked prospect on a minor league deal. There were also 5 other players that I signed that are legitimate prospects. These players were much better then the players in the draft after about round 4 or 5, so they aren't draft remnants (I used a 25 round draft). Why are these players appearing - and how can I stop them from appearing?

06-04-2006, 07:04 PM	#2
Jason Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,855	What is your financial settings? Do you have a salary cap? Are team finances determined by market size? It's possible some of your teams had cash flow problems and couldn't keep the players.

06-04-2006, 07:39 PM	#3
lynchjm24 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hartford Posts: 978 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	The players have no history. They weren't there when I signed a bunch of guys before Spring Training either, because I would have signed them at that point in time. As a matter of fact, I checked about a month ago in game time to see if there was anything interesting and there wasn't.

06-04-2006, 07:40 PM	#4
lynchjm24 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hartford Posts: 978 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	They all also took minor league deals, so the AI should have been attempting to sign them as well. There is no way I should have been the only one to find them.

06-05-2006, 10:06 AM	#6
Marc Duffy SI Marketing Wizard Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Old Street, London Posts: 4,741	We're having trouble reproducing this.

06-05-2006, 07:09 PM	#11
lynchjm24 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hartford Posts: 978 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	The AI is making signing. Just signed a 48/48/51 35 year old second baseman, who really can't play second base (35).

06-05-2006, 08:27 PM	#13
DodgerGEP Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Greeley, CO Posts: 25	It seems to go the same way for established major leaguers too. I've signed many top players to minor league deals.

06-06-2006, 05:59 AM	#14
Marc Duffy SI Marketing Wizard Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Old Street, London Posts: 4,741	Thankyou Lynchjm24, have provided further evidence to Markus for this bug

06-18-2006, 04:09 PM	#15
Marc Duffy SI Marketing Wizard Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Old Street, London Posts: 4,741	I just created a new league and everything "appears" to be fine. Could this be a SISA issue, or simply the fact the the quickstart has some nice FA available?

06-18-2006, 04:58 PM	#17
TwinMonster Major Leagues Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Minnepolis Posts: 325	I had some free agent related things when I did a fictional league quickstart. I had the computer randomly assign players to teams and noticed that the team I signed with didn't have much talent so I went "shopping". I was able to load my team up with young talent both with hitters and pitchers that were sitting in free agency. Could this be what you're meaning lynchjm24? I've heard some others are having the same thing happen. Not all of them agreed to minor league contracts though.

06-18-2006, 05:29 PM	#18
Bears5122 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 850	Maybe you should zip up the league and send over to the guys at SI so they can see exactly what you are seeing?