Sounds in the game - Page 2

Malleus Dei · 05-07-2006, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by swishbish33

The sound is really just extraneous. I'd rather the time be spent making the gameplay better.

Amen.

bababui · 05-07-2006, 03:32 PM

Unless the game is being played in a vacuum (like outer space) sound is part of the live baseball experience. Again, its b etter to use the Heinsohn method which makes various aspects of the game as optionable and draws in a larger fan base.

I have spoken

Malleus Dei · 05-07-2006, 03:37 PM

Read the thread. It looks like a lot more people want a better game and no sound.

bababui · 05-07-2006, 03:40 PM

Well, out of thousands on OOTP customers maybe 10 have voted no. A landslide for the no sound/Luddite faction!

Edited to add: I also got MD to post in OT...loving it while my fiendish plans came together

Malleus Dei · 05-07-2006, 03:57 PM

1. No. We've done the sound discussion before. Most people realize that it's a trivial distraction.

2. No, I posted here. Threads I have posted in have been moved to OT before.

3. Get back to work.

Twelvefield · 05-08-2006, 03:31 PM

There's a very simple test you can try for yourself to decide if sound is important to the game. It's based on an old animator's trick (me being the old animator).

Basically speaking, if you show the graphics in silence and your audience is consciously or unconsciously making noises themselves in time with what's going on in the visuals, then you need to add some sound hits.

So, for example, if you hum a little tune when your clean-up hitter comes off the on-deck circle to face loaded bases, or you make crowd-roaring noises when the outfielder makes an ice-cream catch, then you need sound. And if you don't, then you don't need the audio as much.

Personally, I like discrete audio cues to go along with the interface, such as when important e-mails come in, or when I am clicking on certain buttons or sliders.

Audio for games is definitely not for the kiddie set. Gaming audio is a multi-million dollar industry. Several of my friends do nothing but audio engineering for games. It's a serious business. I think that the problem that OOTPB had in earlier iterations was that Markus underestimated the effort that goes into putting audio into gaming. His audio was certainly pleasant enough, but he didn't know enough about how to engineer audio into games with regard to programming or quality. In this day and age, you pretty much need an engineering team of specialists to do that for you, if you're going to get great sound.

rhydymwyn · 05-08-2006, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twelvefield

Basically speaking, if you show the graphics in silence and your audience is consciously or unconsciously making noises themselves in time with what's going on in the visuals, then you need to add some sound hits.

So, for example, if you hum a little tune when your clean-up hitter comes off the on-deck circle to face loaded bases, or you make crowd-roaring noises when the outfielder makes an ice-cream catch, then you need sound. And if you don't, then you don't need the audio as much.

What about if I hum a little tune when I write my post and make crowd-roaring noises when people respond affirmatively?

Seriously though, I used to call games for nearly every sports game I had when I was younger. I muted the sound on purpose (I could only handle so much of the same repetitive blather over and over) and preferred to provide my own take on the action. As for background sounds, I did not concern myself with them, but I would rather mute it all than leave on annoyances.

I know some people might like the sounds, but I would go for a polished game (on time for Mac?!), sans sound pack. I get the feeling that most of us would mute it anyway... we have enough craziness going on in our heads to begin with.

reds1 · 05-08-2006, 07:33 PM

For the few months it actually worked, the sound ambience represented the high water mark for in-game immersion for me. When it stopped working, I missed it. I still do.
I would like to see an working sound ambience feature brought back at some point down the road.

kagnew35 · 05-08-2006, 07:51 PM

md, ur pontificating again, those of us that like souunds shud have them, AFTER, the more important things are in.I would prefer the pbp to be live announcers as i have difficulty reading script. U too will age.

Bear54 · 05-08-2006, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Malleus Dei

Read the thread. It looks like a lot more people want a better game and no sound.

No one is saying drop the "betterment" of the game over sound MD so stop making up comments that you say people want sound more than a overall better game (sim engine) because thats NOT whats being said.

Should I put this in simple terms for you or can you figure this all out by yourself? If the latter, then we have a problem because you'll just fabricate to justify your wants, opinions, and careless about what other people would like to see.

Malleus Dei · 05-08-2006, 08:03 PM

If the game ever gets 2D graphics, then sound seems reasonable.

Bear54 · 05-08-2006, 08:05 PM

- Since I've been on these forums just under a year now, I've seen nothing from member MD. His opinions are all that matters and whenever someone else speaks up, challenges his beliefs he wimpers to his little corner. MD, sorry bud but the silver spoon you grew up with has just been taken out.

Cornelius McGillicuddy · 05-08-2006, 08:09 PM

My 2 cents.

Some people want sound and some don't. If it's done well, I would prefer it.

However, if sound was in the game then those who like it can turn it on. And those who don't can turn it off. Simple. Nobody wants it in until the rest of the game is finished. So where's the argument?

Bear54 · 05-08-2006, 08:12 PM

-My 2 cents

Sound isn't important to me, however, I will not tell other potential customers that, "It (sound) doesn't matter", just because I feel like I'm king today and have been a member here for a few years. Fact is, sound does matter to a lot of people and although I wouldn't miss it I'm not going to slam the idea that others want it.

Dargone · 05-08-2006, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reds1

For the few months it actually worked, the sound ambience represented the high water mark for in-game immersion for me. When it stopped working, I missed it. I still do.
I would like to see an working sound ambience feature brought back at some point down the road.

I agree.

emysdk · 05-08-2006, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by rich12545

So where's the argument?

It costs money and takes time to implement?

I can live without sound, though it might complement a 2D view if and when that happens.

Dargone · 05-08-2006, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twelvefield

There's a very simple test you can try for yourself to decide if sound is important to the game. It's based on an old animator's trick (me being the old animator).

Basically speaking, if you show the graphics in silence and your audience is consciously or unconsciously making noises themselves in time with what's going on in the visuals, then you need to add some sound hits.

So, for example, if you hum a little tune when your clean-up hitter comes off the on-deck circle to face loaded bases, or you make crowd-roaring noises when the outfielder makes an ice-cream catch, then you need sound. And if you don't, then you don't need the audio as much.

Personally, I like discrete audio cues to go along with the interface, such as when important e-mails come in, or when I am clicking on certain buttons or sliders.

Audio for games is definitely not for the kiddie set. Gaming audio is a multi-million dollar industry. Several of my friends do nothing but audio engineering for games. It's a serious business. I think that the problem that OOTPB had in earlier iterations was that Markus underestimated the effort that goes into putting audio into gaming. His audio was certainly pleasant enough, but he didn't know enough about how to engineer audio into games with regard to programming or quality. In this day and age, you pretty much need an engineering team of specialists to do that for you, if you're going to get great sound.

It's not just for teenagers?!? Well said...

Zitofan75 · 05-08-2006, 08:19 PM

Guys, guys, guys ... the point is moot, there will be no sound. Argue over the merits of sound all you want. Tell us why it's important/not important to you all you want. Just do so all the while remembering that It Ain't In The Game and this won't do much of anything when discussing this version. Now that's gonna make some people glad, some people sad, and some others go "so?" It's not in the game, period. However Markus did say it was a priority for future versions but we don't have a board for that game yet. I think we can worry about the merits of sound (and if so what sound should sound like) then.

Bear54 · 05-08-2006, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emysdk

It costs money and takes time to implement?

I can live without sound, though it might complement a 2D view if and when that happens.

Now this is the way to go. If 2D ever makes it onto the OOTPB platform then I believe sound should be implemented. If not, then Markus should do what he can to help appease the market that wants it until then. Maybe not now but at least sometime in the future.

Malleus Dei · 05-08-2006, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emysdk

It costs money and takes time to implement?

I can live without sound, though it might complement a 2D view if and when that happens.

Exactly. *If* the game ever gets 2D graphics, sound could be complementary.

05-07-2006, 03:40 PM	#24
bababui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 14,147 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Well, out of thousands on OOTP customers maybe 10 have voted no. A landslide for the no sound/Luddite faction! Edited to add: I also got MD to post in OT...loving it while my fiendish plans came together Last edited by bababui; 05-07-2006 at 03:46 PM.

05-08-2006, 07:51 PM	#29
kagnew35 All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Las Vegas, Nev Posts: 1,965	2 cents md, ur pontificating again, those of us that like souunds shud have them, AFTER, the more important things are in.I would prefer the pbp to be live announcers as i have difficulty reading script. U too will age. __________________ Elder Statesman of the Board http://www.soxxcountry.com/ site with FaceGen Central and Duffys Tavern Live OOTP Chat Room

05-08-2006, 08:05 PM	#32
Bear54 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 203	- Since I've been on these forums just under a year now, I've seen nothing from member MD. His opinions are all that matters and whenever someone else speaks up, challenges his beliefs he wimpers to his little corner. MD, sorry bud but the silver spoon you grew up with has just been taken out. Last edited by Bear54; 05-08-2006 at 08:14 PM.

05-07-2006, 03:32 PM	#22
bababui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 14,147 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Unless the game is being played in a vacuum (like outer space) sound is part of the live baseball experience. Again, its b etter to use the Heinsohn method which makes various aspects of the game as optionable and draws in a larger fan base. I have spoken

05-08-2006, 03:31 PM	#26
Twelvefield All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,188	There's a very simple test you can try for yourself to decide if sound is important to the game. It's based on an old animator's trick (me being the old animator). Basically speaking, if you show the graphics in silence and your audience is consciously or unconsciously making noises themselves in time with what's going on in the visuals, then you need to add some sound hits. So, for example, if you hum a little tune when your clean-up hitter comes off the on-deck circle to face loaded bases, or you make crowd-roaring noises when the outfielder makes an ice-cream catch, then you need sound. And if you don't, then you don't need the audio as much. Personally, I like discrete audio cues to go along with the interface, such as when important e-mails come in, or when I am clicking on certain buttons or sliders. Audio for games is definitely not for the kiddie set. Gaming audio is a multi-million dollar industry. Several of my friends do nothing but audio engineering for games. It's a serious business. I think that the problem that OOTPB had in earlier iterations was that Markus underestimated the effort that goes into putting audio into gaming. His audio was certainly pleasant enough, but he didn't know enough about how to engineer audio into games with regard to programming or quality. In this day and age, you pretty much need an engineering team of specialists to do that for you, if you're going to get great sound.

05-08-2006, 07:33 PM	#28
reds1 Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: Winnipeg Posts: 3,929	For the few months it actually worked, the sound ambience represented the high water mark for in-game immersion for me. When it stopped working, I missed it. I still do. I would like to see an working sound ambience feature brought back at some point down the road.

05-08-2006, 08:09 PM	#33
Cornelius McGillicuddy Banned Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Playing the inside game Posts: 763 Infractions: 0/1 (4)	My 2 cents. Some people want sound and some don't. If it's done well, I would prefer it. However, if sound was in the game then those who like it can turn it on. And those who don't can turn it off. Simple. Nobody wants it in until the rest of the game is finished. So where's the argument?

05-08-2006, 08:12 PM	#34
Bear54 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 203	-My 2 cents Sound isn't important to me, however, I will not tell other potential customers that, "It (sound) doesn't matter", just because I feel like I'm king today and have been a member here for a few years. Fact is, sound does matter to a lot of people and although I wouldn't miss it I'm not going to slam the idea that others want it.

05-08-2006, 08:19 PM	#38
Zitofan75 All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: California Posts: 1,413	Guys, guys, guys ... the point is moot, there will be no sound. Argue over the merits of sound all you want. Tell us why it's important/not important to you all you want. Just do so all the while remembering that It Ain't In The Game and this won't do much of anything when discussing this version. Now that's gonna make some people glad, some people sad, and some others go "so?" It's not in the game, period. However Markus did say it was a priority for future versions but we don't have a board for that game yet. I think we can worry about the merits of sound (and if so what sound should sound like) then.