Best CF in Baseball?? - Page 2

twins15 · 09-02-2002, 08:16 PM

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Originally posted by twins15

He is better than some of the players that are on this list.

twins15 · 09-02-2002, 08:16 PM

Sorry, I didn't mean to put that post.

Specs · 09-02-2002, 10:53 PM

In the olden days, when RnF+ wasn't calculated by position, Garry Maddox and his 137 RnF+ (compared with Mays' 135 and the Eagle's 129). Nowadays, Andruw Jones' 120 blows away the 110 by Hunter, 107 by Griffey, and paltry numbers of the other listed players.

I'd take Maddox over anyone. Ever.

Mariner and Giants Fan · 09-03-2002, 01:07 AM

Garry Maddox??? Come ON! He was a fine ball player but not one of the top 20 all around centerfielders of all time!

Jason Moyer · 09-03-2002, 01:42 AM

Mike Schmidt called Garry Maddox the greatest defensive centerfielder he had ever seen. From about 1970-1990 I doubt anyone was better.

Defensively, while I don't have the stats in front of me, I think my list would be Andruw Jones, Willie Mays, Dom Dimaggio, Richie Ashburn, Joe Dimaggio, and Garry Maddox. Offensively no one touches the Mick and Willie, altho I'd probably throw the Duke in there too. Overall I'd go Mays, Mantle, and Mags with no one else really coming close to those 3 guys.

That said, I think Andruw Jones will be a first ballot hall of famer in 2022. The Win Shares system sees his per-season defense to this point in his career as being worth about 33% more than Mays in his prime, he's learned how to take pitches this year (on pace for 93 walks, almost 20 more than his previous career high), and he has monster power in a park that is difficult to hit homeruns in. Also consider that he's 6 months younger than Pat Burrell...

Jason

angry_malkie · 09-05-2002, 07:54 PM

I'd take Ty Cobb myself.

Tell me he wasn't the best all-round offensive player of all time. No really. go on, i dare ya.

twins15 · 09-05-2002, 09:01 PM

He was not the best all around offensive player of all time.

Carplos · 09-06-2002, 09:06 AM

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Originally posted by angry_malkie
I'd take Ty Cobb myself.

Tell me he wasn't the best all-round offensive player of all time. No really. go on, i dare ya.

Well, he didn't have much power, so there goes the "All-Around" and Babe Ruth was better all around.

darkhorse · 09-06-2002, 10:21 AM

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Originally posted by Carplos

Well, he didn't have much power, so there goes the "All-Around" and Babe Ruth was better all around.

Cobb had a slugging percentage of .512 playing the bulk of his career in the dead ball era. He was no slugger but hit the ball plenty hard.

fantom1979 · 09-07-2002, 04:09 AM

Edmonds is one hell of a defensive CF. I believe that Puckett might make my top ten, or very early in 11-20.

Highlander · 09-07-2002, 09:27 AM

Defense- Garry Maddox or Dom DiMaggio
Offense- A healthy Mantle or Joe D
Overall- Willie Mays

Here is a list of some other good defensive CF not mentioned:

Omar Moreno
Gary Pettis
Lenny Dykstra
Dwayne Murphy (I think he was CF...my memory is fading)
Brett Butler (at least for a stretch in the mid-80's)
Devon White (earlier in his career)

Carplos · 09-07-2002, 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by fantom1979
Edmonds is one hell of a defensive CF.

Yeah, if you like guys who get bad jumps and dive a lot.

Nero · 09-08-2002, 11:30 PM

Guess he got a lot of bad jumps and dove his way to 4 Gold Gloves......

lukster · 09-08-2002, 11:54 PM

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View Poll Results: Which CF would you take?
Erstad	1	3.23%
Hunter	1	3.23%
Edmonds	2	6.45%
A.Jones	5	16.13%
Griffey	0	0%
Berkman	1	3.23%
Mays	14	45.16%
Cobb	1	3.23%
Dimaggio	1	3.23%
Someone else..	5	16.13%
Voters: 31. You may not vote on this poll

09-02-2002, 08:16 PM	#22
twins15 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Area 51 Posts: 4,792	Sorry, I didn't mean to put that post. __________________ "Ah man we're just hungry man" - Dovonte Edwards Bismarck Boy Scouts of the OTBL - league yes-man Ross Gload at baseball-reference.com Book Quotes and Book Lists

09-03-2002, 01:07 AM	#24
Mariner and Giants Fan All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Port Townsend, WA. Posts: 1,264	Garry Maddox??? Come ON! He was a fine ball player but not one of the top 20 all around centerfielders of all time! __________________ Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen"

09-03-2002, 01:42 AM	#25
Jason Moyer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 5,106	Mike Schmidt called Garry Maddox the greatest defensive centerfielder he had ever seen. From about 1970-1990 I doubt anyone was better. Defensively, while I don't have the stats in front of me, I think my list would be Andruw Jones, Willie Mays, Dom Dimaggio, Richie Ashburn, Joe Dimaggio, and Garry Maddox. Offensively no one touches the Mick and Willie, altho I'd probably throw the Duke in there too. Overall I'd go Mays, Mantle, and Mags with no one else really coming close to those 3 guys. That said, I think Andruw Jones will be a first ballot hall of famer in 2022. The Win Shares system sees his per-season defense to this point in his career as being worth about 33% more than Mays in his prime, he's learned how to take pitches this year (on pace for 93 walks, almost 20 more than his previous career high), and he has monster power in a park that is difficult to hit homeruns in. Also consider that he's 6 months younger than Pat Burrell... Jason __________________ "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses." -- Tom House "I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House...Tom, I really miss those days that we spent in the weight room and out on the field working together." -- Nolan Ryan's HoF Induction Speech

09-05-2002, 09:01 PM	#27
twins15 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Area 51 Posts: 4,792	He was not the best all around offensive player of all time. __________________ "Ah man we're just hungry man" - Dovonte Edwards Bismarck Boy Scouts of the OTBL - league yes-man Ross Gload at baseball-reference.com Book Quotes and Book Lists

09-05-2002, 07:54 PM	#26
angry_malkie Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Scotland Posts: 25	I'd take Ty Cobb myself. Tell me he wasn't the best all-round offensive player of all time. No really. go on, i dare ya.

09-07-2002, 04:09 AM	#30
fantom1979 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 3,498	Edmonds is one hell of a defensive CF. I believe that Puckett might make my top ten, or very early in 11-20. __________________

09-07-2002, 09:27 AM	#31
Highlander All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,017	Defense- Garry Maddox or Dom DiMaggio Offense- A healthy Mantle or Joe D Overall- Willie Mays Here is a list of some other good defensive CF not mentioned: Omar Moreno Gary Pettis Lenny Dykstra Dwayne Murphy (I think he was CF...my memory is fading) Brett Butler (at least for a stretch in the mid-80's) Devon White (earlier in his career) __________________ "The baseball mania has run its course. It has no future as a professional endeavor." — Cincinnati Gazette editorial, 1879

09-08-2002, 11:30 PM	#33
Nero Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 206	Guess he got a lot of bad jumps and dove his way to 4 Gold Gloves......

09-08-2002, 11:54 PM	#34
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