How unrealistic is this? Opinions...

[fintach]

I've noticed descriptions in the PbP that say "the runner(s) is moving" when there are two outs and a full count, if the runners are forced, but I couldn't tell you offhand if the PbP says that every time.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by fintach

I've noticed descriptions in the PbP that say "the runner(s) is moving" when there are two outs and a full count, if the runners are forced, but I couldn't tell you offhand if the PbP says that every time.

I think you may be right with this.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by __JR__

I think that maybe a problem here is assuming that the runners are going with the pitch.

Sure, in real life, that happens every time with a full count and two outs for forced runners.

But perhaps the game doesn't take that into account ?? i.e. it's not assumed that the runners are moving with the pitch just because the count is full with two outs, you would have to manually select "run and hit" to make that happen.

In that case, it's hardly unheard of for a runner from second to be thrown out at home.

Actually I meant to say you were right You both were in different ways.

[__JR__]

Originally Posted by fintach

I've noticed descriptions in the PbP that say "the runner(s) is moving" when there are two outs and a full count, if the runners are forced, but I couldn't tell you offhand if the PbP says that every time.

The outcome doesn't always fit the PBP. The PBP is randomly chosen to fit the outcome of the play. At least that's my understanding.

So as it were, whomever wrote those particular lines of PbP did so because that's what happens in real life. Which is fine, don't get me wrong, it adds a little more realism to the game. But it doesn't necessarily reflect what's actually happening "inside" the engine or how the game is calculating the result.

[cblacker]

Originally Posted by __JR__

I think that maybe a problem here is assuming that the runners are going with the pitch.

Sure, in real life, that happens every time with a full count and two outs for forced runners.

But perhaps the game doesn't take that into account ?? i.e. it's not assumed that the runners are moving with the pitch just because the count is full with two outs, you would have to manually select "run and hit" to make that happen.

In that case, it's hardly unheard of for a runner from second to be thrown out at home.

Just to clarify a couple of things:

1. The runners were, indeed, running with the pitch according to the PbP and it has been my experience that runners in OOTP will always do this on their own if there is a full count and two outs.

2. The play occurred in the middle of the game (5th inning or so) and while I don't remember for sure, it is highly unlikely that the outfield would have been playing in.

3. I was initially simply frustrated at what I believed to be an unrealistic situation occurring in the game and I posted to vent and perhaps gain some perspective from other OOTP players. From reading other people's comments and thinking about it more on my own, I have come to the conclusion that a fast runner being thrown out trying to score from second in a full count, two out situation would be an extremely rare, though not entirely impossible, situation in real life. So we can look at this as a quirk that adds to the realism of the game, or a cause for concern that perhaps the game is not properly simulating the interaction between baserunning speed and outfield arms, or however you want to phrase it. If no one else reports this sort of thing happening, then it's not a big deal. If it's happening once or twice a season, we may have a problem.

[__JR__]

Right. I'm just saying that the PbP may say that the runners are going with the pitch, when the case is that they actually did not leave with the pitch.

For example, the PbP may be coded such that if a condition arises such that there are 2 outs and a full count, the PbP will read "Full count and 2 outs here to [playername], runners are going..... etc.."

Or something like that. Or I could be totally wrong, that certainly wouldn't be unheard of.

I'm just siding in jbergey's camp. Any runner on 2nd who leaves with the pitch is going to make it home on that play, unless they trip, fall and continue home, or if that runner happens to be Mike Redmond.

On a side note, is Redmond's speed in this game negative? Wouldn't surprise me....