Baker Mayfield

dsvitak · 07-06-2022, 06:57 PM

Traded to Carolina.

I checked the schedule this year for the Panthers...week one, at home, vs. Cleveland.

THIS should be fun!

TC Dale · 07-06-2022, 07:10 PM

Have to say I was a bit surprised they traded him before they found out Watson's possible suspension result. Glad to see him get a chance at Carolina. Should be interesting to say the least for week one. :P

kq76 · 07-06-2022, 07:35 PM

I feel bad for Browns fans. They went from a franchise you could root for, even as an outsider, to one you just can't. Good for Baker for getting out of that organization. Hopefully he has a good long career now.

dsvitak · 07-07-2022, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kq76

I feel bad for Browns fans. They went from a franchise you could root for, even as an outsider, to one you just can't. Good for Baker for getting out of that organization. Hopefully he has a good long career now.

He had four coaches in three years, and was disrespected the entire time. He has something to prove.

Unlike many of these college guys, he was a winner, and his teammates love him.

rudel.dietrich · 07-07-2022, 02:57 PM

I don’t think he is a good QB. But he is better than what Carolina has. Carolina also gave up almost nothing to get him.
He was also badly injured last season.

With a strong team, he could be a playoff QB. I think he is in the bottom half of starting QBs. Which is a great get for Carolina considering they were weak at that position and gave up a protected 5th-round pick for him.

monkeyman576 · 07-07-2022, 04:37 PM

Anyone can go to a school like Oklahoma Alabama or Clemson and look good. He has obviously had issues with pro level defenses. He might be able to turn it around in a new system, who knows. I doubt that Carolina will be the right system for him but I could be wrong.

dsvitak · 07-07-2022, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by monkeyman576

Anyone can go to a school like Oklahoma Alabama or Clemson and look good. He has obviously had issues with pro level defenses. He might be able to turn it around in a new system, who knows. I doubt that Carolina will be the right system for him but I could be wrong.

Possibly. I will be watching with interest. I still think he can be a quality QB in the NFL.

Antonin · 07-07-2022, 11:30 PM

I feel sorry for Mayfield and I'm embarrassed with the way the Cleveland media and the Browns treated him. For years it has been a joke in my family that every QB should be reluctant to come here because the Browns will surely destroy his career.

I'm surprised at how quickly the local media turned on Mayfield last season. He wanted to be here, played hard, actually played hurt for most of last season, and as far as I know did not have any of the character flaws Watson has.

Bringing in Watson was a real head-scratcher. I want to win as badly as the next Browns fan, but why couldn't we have found someone for the high-profile QB position without so much character baggage?

And I thought NFL teams have been making a special effort in recent years to appeal to female fans. It makes sense to do this: when I was growing up, the hardest of the hard core Browns fans were my mother and her friends. Why, then, would the Browns go out of their way to get a guy like Watson?

For years I did not watch the Browns on TV because I had a depressing job, and being depressed by the Browns on Sunday was not a good way to begin the depressing work week. When we got Baker Mayfield it gave my mother and I something fun to talk about. She was in a nursing home with dementia, but was still a Browns fan. She would lament the sorry state of the team and I would tell her, "Well, Ma, we have this hot young quarterback who seems to be the real deal..."

Oh well. I hope Baker wins a Super Bowl sometime soon.

Syd Thrift · 07-07-2022, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TC Dale

Have to say I was a bit surprised they traded him before they found out Watson's possible suspension result. Glad to see him get a chance at Carolina. Should be interesting to say the least for week one. :P

He was never coming back to Cleveland. The Browns burned that bridge themselves and according to Mayfield hadn’t reached out to him at any point to mend things. That’s also why the cost was so low, that and the fact that the Seahawks supposed interest was nothing but idle speculation.

Marinersfan51 · 07-08-2022, 02:33 PM

I'm surprised that anyone was willing to trade for Baker since it was clear Cleveland was going to have to cut him. The opportunity cost for Carolina/Seattle was so low that I figured they would just wait it out and let Cleveland pay his entire 2022 salary and then one of them would scoop him up for basically the minimum.

Syd Thrift · 07-08-2022, 04:15 PM

That was apparently Seattle’s plan, and probably why Cleveland was able to extract that conditional 5th from Carolina in the trade.

Marinersfan51 · 07-08-2022, 04:56 PM

Neither team is trying to win in 2022, so the value of having the opportunity to franchise tag/resign Mayfield might not be worth the chance that he makes the team too good to get a top pick and have a shot at Stroud/Young next year.

Mayfield might be doomed to the very lucrative purgatory of being the like 20th best QB who cycles through 9 win teams but never is a serious contender.

rudel.dietrich · 07-08-2022, 06:07 PM

Drafting a QB is 50/50 at best
Even a 'sure thing' like Lawrence may not work out.

This is a low cost 1 year rental to see what he has. If he performs they may not need to draft a QB. I don't see him every becoming a top 10 QB, but if he is healthy he may improve to be a mid level QB which is valuable in the NFL and can allow the team to improve in other areas.

And Carolina is paying only about 40% of his salary. They might could of waited on them to cut him. But a conditional 5th is a very low cost to make sure they land him rather than another team sneak in their and trade for him.

Marinersfan51 · 07-08-2022, 06:27 PM

Very true on the coinflip that drafting a QB is. It just feels like the upside of Mayfield is that he winds up as Kirk Cousins, a good, but not great QB who is very expensive. If he does break out this year in Carolina, they still probably won't make the playoffs and then they have the choice of tagging him and paying him $35M on a one year deal or extending him on something like the Ryan Tannehill or Kirk Cousins contract.

If they had a really good young core and just needed a QB to put them over the top it would make sense (though if that were the case they probably would have been in on Matt Ryan or maybe Jimmy G), but as it is there is very little upside. Granted the cost is nearly nothing, so it could be worth it just to be less embarrassing this year since he should be more watchable than Darnold/Corral.

pilight · 07-08-2022, 07:17 PM

50/50 is vastly overstating it. Lots more Sam Bradfords than Peyton Mannings and more than enough JaMarcus Russels to make any GMs hair fall out.

Pelican · 07-09-2022, 01:57 PM

One of my best friends somehow ended up a Browns and Pirates fan. Seriously. He is the exact opposite of a front-runner. I don’t know how he deals with it. Now the Browns have no QB going into the season. And next year, if Watson is allowed to play, they will find out what a year of rust means, as the Eagles did with Michael Vick. [I will avoid provoking animal lovers by pointing out the NFL policy toward those who harm women versus dogs. Whoops.]

Ragnar · 07-10-2022, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

Drafting a QB is 50/50 at best
Even a 'sure thing' like Lawrence may not work out.

This is a low cost 1 year rental to see what he has. If he performs they may not need to draft a QB. I don't see him every becoming a top 10 QB, but if he is healthy he may improve to be a mid level QB which is valuable in the NFL and can allow the team to improve in other areas.

And Carolina is paying only about 40% of his salary. They might could of waited on them to cut him. But a conditional 5th is a very low cost to make sure they land him rather than another team sneak in their and trade for him.

His tag was a little over 19M. Carolina is paying 4.8M, the Browns 10M, and Baker took a pay cut for the rest.

I think he's a pretty good QB. Playing injured is admirable. But in his case it just made him look bad. Now he has to prove all over again that he can play. He's never going to be a top 5 QB. I think his ceiling is somewhere around 10-15 at best. He needs the talent around him.

Ragnar · 07-10-2022, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Pelican

One of my best friends somehow ended up a Browns and Pirates fan. Seriously. He is the exact opposite of a front-runner. I don’t know how he deals with it. Now the Browns have no QB going into the season. And next year, if Watson is allowed to play, they will find out what a year of rust means, as the Eagles did with Michael Vick. [I will avoid provoking animal lovers by pointing out the NFL policy toward those who harm women versus dogs. Whoops.]

Going by the league's own policy, I have a feeling Watson is only going to get 4-8 weeks. But regardless of what he gets, the Browns did Watson a solid. They structured his contract with a suspension in mind. His base pay is only 1M for 2022. That's the most he can lose even if he's suspended all year.

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Originally Posted by Marinersfan51

Very true on the coinflip that drafting a QB is. It just feels like the upside of Mayfield is that he winds up as Kirk Cousins, a good, but not great QB who is very expensive. If he does break out this year in Carolina, they still probably won't make the playoffs and then they have the choice of tagging him and paying him $35M on a one year deal or extending him on something like the Ryan Tannehill or Kirk Cousins contract.

If they had a really good young core and just needed a QB to put them over the top it would make sense (though if that were the case they probably would have been in on Matt Ryan or maybe Jimmy G), but as it is there is very little upside. Granted the cost is nearly nothing, so it could be worth it just to be less embarrassing this year since he should be more watchable than Darnold/Corral.

I don't know what the Panthers are thinking. They're not a QB away. They just drafted Corral. They really need to see if he works out first. Maybe they want him to sit behind Baker for a year, then send Baker to the highest bidder in 2023?

Even if Baker does well, the last thing they want to do is pay him 40M a year before knowing how Corral can play. I think Baker is pretty good, but I wouldn't pay a QB top dollar just to be good.

07-06-2022, 06:57 PM	#1
dsvitak Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 5,293	Baker Mayfield Traded to Carolina. I checked the schedule this year for the Panthers...week one, at home, vs. Cleveland. THIS should be fun!

07-06-2022, 07:10 PM	#2
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07-06-2022, 07:35 PM	#3
kq76 Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 11,697	I feel bad for Browns fans. They went from a franchise you could root for, even as an outsider, to one you just can't. Good for Baker for getting out of that organization. Hopefully he has a good long career now. __________________ My OOTP Wishlist \| My FAQ List OOTP Wiki \| Your Recommended Team Nicknames, By City (A Crowdsourced Project)

07-07-2022, 11:30 PM	#8
Antonin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,509	I feel sorry for Mayfield and I'm embarrassed with the way the Cleveland media and the Browns treated him. For years it has been a joke in my family that every QB should be reluctant to come here because the Browns will surely destroy his career. I'm surprised at how quickly the local media turned on Mayfield last season. He wanted to be here, played hard, actually played hurt for most of last season, and as far as I know did not have any of the character flaws Watson has. Bringing in Watson was a real head-scratcher. I want to win as badly as the next Browns fan, but why couldn't we have found someone for the high-profile QB position without so much character baggage? And I thought NFL teams have been making a special effort in recent years to appeal to female fans. It makes sense to do this: when I was growing up, the hardest of the hard core Browns fans were my mother and her friends. Why, then, would the Browns go out of their way to get a guy like Watson? For years I did not watch the Browns on TV because I had a depressing job, and being depressed by the Browns on Sunday was not a good way to begin the depressing work week. When we got Baker Mayfield it gave my mother and I something fun to talk about. She was in a nursing home with dementia, but was still a Browns fan. She would lament the sorry state of the team and I would tell her, "Well, Ma, we have this hot young quarterback who seems to be the real deal..." Oh well. I hope Baker wins a Super Bowl sometime soon. __________________ "Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" - Johnny Rotten (Sex Pistols), San Francisco, 14 January 1978

07-07-2022, 02:57 PM	#5
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	I don’t think he is a good QB. But he is better than what Carolina has. Carolina also gave up almost nothing to get him. He was also badly injured last season. With a strong team, he could be a playoff QB. I think he is in the bottom half of starting QBs. Which is a great get for Carolina considering they were weak at that position and gave up a protected 5th-round pick for him.

07-07-2022, 04:37 PM	#6
monkeyman576 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,351	Anyone can go to a school like Oklahoma Alabama or Clemson and look good. He has obviously had issues with pro level defenses. He might be able to turn it around in a new system, who knows. I doubt that Carolina will be the right system for him but I could be wrong.

07-08-2022, 02:33 PM	#10
Marinersfan51 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 776	I'm surprised that anyone was willing to trade for Baker since it was clear Cleveland was going to have to cut him. The opportunity cost for Carolina/Seattle was so low that I figured they would just wait it out and let Cleveland pay his entire 2022 salary and then one of them would scoop him up for basically the minimum.

07-08-2022, 04:56 PM	#12
Marinersfan51 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 776	Neither team is trying to win in 2022, so the value of having the opportunity to franchise tag/resign Mayfield might not be worth the chance that he makes the team too good to get a top pick and have a shot at Stroud/Young next year. Mayfield might be doomed to the very lucrative purgatory of being the like 20th best QB who cycles through 9 win teams but never is a serious contender.

07-08-2022, 06:07 PM	#13
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	Drafting a QB is 50/50 at best Even a 'sure thing' like Lawrence may not work out. This is a low cost 1 year rental to see what he has. If he performs they may not need to draft a QB. I don't see him every becoming a top 10 QB, but if he is healthy he may improve to be a mid level QB which is valuable in the NFL and can allow the team to improve in other areas. And Carolina is paying only about 40% of his salary. They might could of waited on them to cut him. But a conditional 5th is a very low cost to make sure they land him rather than another team sneak in their and trade for him.

07-08-2022, 06:27 PM	#14
Marinersfan51 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 776	Very true on the coinflip that drafting a QB is. It just feels like the upside of Mayfield is that he winds up as Kirk Cousins, a good, but not great QB who is very expensive. If he does break out this year in Carolina, they still probably won't make the playoffs and then they have the choice of tagging him and paying him $35M on a one year deal or extending him on something like the Ryan Tannehill or Kirk Cousins contract. If they had a really good young core and just needed a QB to put them over the top it would make sense (though if that were the case they probably would have been in on Matt Ryan or maybe Jimmy G), but as it is there is very little upside. Granted the cost is nearly nothing, so it could be worth it just to be less embarrassing this year since he should be more watchable than Darnold/Corral.

07-08-2022, 07:17 PM	#15
pilight All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where the Action is Posts: 1,960	50/50 is vastly overstating it. Lots more Sam Bradfords than Peyton Mannings and more than enough JaMarcus Russels to make any GMs hair fall out.

07-09-2022, 01:57 PM	#16
Pelican Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: Wilmington, Delaware Posts: 2,886	One of my best friends somehow ended up a Browns and Pirates fan. Seriously. He is the exact opposite of a front-runner. I don’t know how he deals with it. Now the Browns have no QB going into the season. And next year, if Watson is allowed to play, they will find out what a year of rust means, as the Eagles did with Michael Vick. [I will avoid provoking animal lovers by pointing out the NFL policy toward those who harm women versus dogs. Whoops.]