This would be a lot more fun

Motorhead667 · 12-17-2018, 07:00 PM

If we were in leagues with other forum members
I know some are and they seem to be enjoying the experience a lot more

Thalion · 12-17-2018, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Motorhead667

If we were in leagues with other forum members
I know some are and they seem to be enjoying the experience a lot more

Nah, they just beat up on me.

Seriously, just post on the forums and maybe someone from your league will see it. Alternately, join Discord. There's people on there as well.

stl jason · 12-17-2018, 10:26 PM

might have some lurkers who are in your league... post a screenshot of the standings or something and see if there are any bites...

i've had a couple or so from my leagues so far over the past 3 seasons... but even if there weren't any, I'd just be over in the dynasty thread talking to myself

(I guess on the plus side, someone is reading along as there are 585 views so far...

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atabakin · 12-18-2018, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Motorhead667

If we were in leagues with other forum members
I know some are and they seem to be enjoying the experience a lot more

I've been lurking for some time but figured I'd join and post to let you know you're not alone. I'm in G293 as well.

Motorhead667 · 12-18-2018, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by atabakin

I've been lurking for some time but figured I'd join and post to let you know you're not alone. I'm in G293 as well.

Virginia Beach, very nice team you have i am envious
thank goodness I have someone to talk to

atabakin · 12-18-2018, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Motorhead667

Virginia Beach, very nice team you have i am envious
thank goodness I have someone to talk to

Thanks, your squad is pretty dynamite as well. I've had some strong luck with packs. I pulled a 1968 Yaz last Thursday, took him to the World Series (losing in 5 games), sold him for 70k (net after auction tax), and with part of the proceeds pulled an even better Peak Yaz. Still trying to decide if I should keep him or flip him. No auction history!

Motorhead667 · 12-18-2018, 03:05 PM

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Thanks, your squad is pretty dynamite as well. I've had some strong luck with packs. I pulled a 1968 Yaz last Thursday, took him to the World Series (losing in 5 games), sold him for 70k (net after auction tax), and with part of the proceeds pulled an even better Peak Yaz. Still trying to decide if I should keep him or flip him. No auction history!

My pack luck stinks
Early on I pulled a few diamonds but they were duplicates
Like Freddie Freeman I have 2 copies but he isn’t worth squat
I have 3 diamond third baseman
Yaz is sweet I’m glad someone is having pack luck 😊

<Pion> · 12-18-2018, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Thalion

Alternately, join Discord. There's people on there as well.

Maybe it's me, but at times Discord feels a bit like the wild west. Not sure why there is some of the things that get posted there. For example, if someone wants to put (or think of putting) a player up for auction, why are they asking others on Discord if they are interested and then taking it to some kind of private conversation. I would think the one owner would want to get as much for his player as he can and the other spend as little as he can, so I still haven't figured out the advantage of coming to an agreement (if that's what they are doing) regarding a player going up for auction?

One Post Wonder · 12-19-2018, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by <Pion>

For example, if someone wants to put (or think of putting) a player up for auction, why are they asking others on Discord if they are interested and then taking it to some kind of private conversation. I would think the one owner would want to get as much for his player as he can and the other spend as little as he can, so I still haven't figured out the advantage of coming to an agreement (if that's what they are doing) regarding a player going up for auction?

That's a bit sketchy. You're right in that it makes no strategic sense. Maybe they're working out a trade of some kind?

Matt Arnold · 12-19-2018, 12:55 AM

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That's a bit sketchy. You're right in that it makes no strategic sense. Maybe they're working out a trade of some kind?

Sometimes I'd like to know that I can get at least a min value for a guy. It can be a bit of a wildcard sometimes when to put a guy up, and for how much. Knowing someone will pay 20k might be better than listing him for 25 and not getting any bites.

Kushiel · 12-19-2018, 08:02 AM

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Maybe it's me, but at times Discord feels a bit like the wild west. Not sure why there is some of the things that get posted there. For example, if someone wants to put (or think of putting) a player up for auction, why are they asking others on Discord if they are interested and then taking it to some kind of private conversation. I would think the one owner would want to get as much for his player as he can and the other spend as little as he can, so I still haven't figured out the advantage of coming to an agreement (if that's what they are doing) regarding a player going up for auction?

To me, making deals on the AH thread here or on Discord is no different than moving players or PP from one of your own teams to another on the same account. It serves the same purpose prearranging a deal behind closed doors. Therefore it can and may conceivably give some teams an advantage. Just a thought.

Westheim · 12-19-2018, 08:52 AM

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To me, making deals on the AH thread here or on Discord is no different than moving players or PP from one of your own teams to another on the same account. It serves the same purpose prearranging a deal behind closed doors. Therefore it can and may conceivably give some teams an advantage. Just a thought.

I disagree; people should be allowed to arrange deals outside the game, and OOTPD should have a system in place that will automatically flag suspicious transactions for review. With suspicious transactions I mean both two accounts trading with another repeatedly and transactions for ridiculous amounts of PP, say, 25k for a Glenn Sparkman. Besides, you can never prevent all communication between your players. OOTPD can police these forums; their own Discord; but how would they police a Steam chat between two players? The more you try to prevent this, the harder you will fail.

stl jason · 12-19-2018, 09:24 AM

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I disagree; people should be allowed to arrange deals outside the game, and OOTPD should have a system in place that will automatically flag suspicious transactions for review. With suspicious transactions I mean both two accounts trading with another repeatedly and transactions for ridiculous amounts of PP, say, 25k for a Glenn Sparkman. Besides, you can never prevent all communication between your players. OOTPD can police these forums; their own Discord; but how would they police a Steam chat between two players? The more you try to prevent this, the harder you will fail.

besides, even if two players privately arrange a cheap deal for specific cards, there's no guarantee it will work out.... someone else might see the BIN price first and grab it... (assuming the arrangement was for an under-the-going-rate deal, and not a price-gouger deal)

Kushiel · 12-19-2018, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Westheim

I disagree; people should be allowed to arrange deals outside the game, and OOTPD should have a system in place that will automatically flag suspicious transactions for review. With suspicious transactions I mean both two accounts trading with another repeatedly and transactions for ridiculous amounts of PP, say, 25k for a Glenn Sparkman. Besides, you can never prevent all communication between your players. OOTPD can police these forums; their own Discord; but how would they police a Steam chat between two players? The more you try to prevent this, the harder you will fail.

By your own statement, you enforce my opinion that it is an opportunity to abuse the system. If it is very strictly policed through flags, then there is not a problem. Otherwise, there will be and probably are now cheaters doing this like all the other ways they find to abuse the rules for an advantage.

Kushiel · 12-19-2018, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by stl jason

besides, even if two players privately arrange a cheap deal for specific cards, there's no guarantee it will work out.... someone else might see the BIN price first and grab it... (assuming the arrangement was for an under-the-going-rate deal, and not a price-gouger deal)

It would be very easy for two people on the phone or a messenger service to coordinate this with very little risk of interference during the extremely brief time the card would be shown publicly.

stl jason · 12-19-2018, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Kushiel

It would be very easy for two people on the phone or a messenger service to coordinate this with very little risk of interference during the extremely brief time the card would be shown publicly.

true, but still it's not 100% guaranteed... slow internet response for the buyer or someone else just happened to click 'refresh' on their AH at the split second the offer was placed and saw it first...

Kushiel · 12-19-2018, 10:32 AM

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true, but still it's not 100% guaranteed... slow internet response for the buyer or someone else just happened to click 'refresh' on their AH at the split second the offer was placed and saw it first...

If 100 people clicked refresh at that exact instant, that is only a 0.02 probability out of 5000 teams. Then the odds that even one of those people would navigate to the exact page that the deal is on and recognize it, then bid in time to block it are astronomical.

I just think there should be wide open wheeling and dealing or no wheeling and dealing. I am not a fan of gray areas where almost the same thing is OK in one hand and not the other.

stl jason · 12-19-2018, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Kushiel

If 100 people clicked refresh at that exact instant, that is only a 0.02 probability out of 5000 teams. Then the odds that even one of those people would navigate to the exact page that the deal is on and recognize it, then bid in time to block it are astronomical.
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so... you agree with me... it's not 100%

Kushiel · 12-19-2018, 10:39 AM

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so... you agree with me... it's not 100%

Yep it is about the same chance as I have to win each different lottery in Texas on all 6(I think it is) consecutive drawing nights.

<Pion> · 12-19-2018, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Kushiel

By your own statement, you enforce my opinion that it is an opportunity to abuse the system. If it is very strictly policed through flags, then there is not a problem. Otherwise, there will be and probably are now cheaters doing this like all the other ways they find to abuse the rules for an advantage.

Agree with your comments in this thread, but I do think it would be next to impossible to prevent. There was one instance last night that appears to be on the up and up where a person put up a very valuable player for peanuts that someone got. They then went back and forth with the giver saying it was a mistake and the taker expressing surprise and happiness, yet telling the giver he would owe him one somewhere in the future. Though I think it was a mistake, it shows how things like this "could" be done with bad intentions, but I can't see them bringing so much attention to it by talking about it so much (unless that was the beauty of hiding the scam)

The sad thing to me is the number of people that have searched so hard to either scam the system or get an edge outside the realms of what was intended. It reminds me of a very early card game league I hosted where I made some simple rules and was astonished at how many people tried to find the grey areas between the rules. I pleaded with the group that rules were meant to be followed in spirit, not as a guideline to find the loopholes. Otherwise you end up with more rules than the real MLB.

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Motorhead667 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 576	This would be a lot more fun If we were in leagues with other forum members I know some are and they seem to be enjoying the experience a lot more

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stl jason Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 10,112	might have some lurkers who are in your league... post a screenshot of the standings or something and see if there are any bites... i've had a couple or so from my leagues so far over the past 3 seasons... but even if there weren't any, I'd just be over in the dynasty thread talking to myself (I guess on the plus side, someone is reading along as there are 585 views so far... ) __________________ Beer League dynasty thread - knock 'em back!