Could Livan Hernandez throw 200 pitches tonight?

jaxmagicman · 06-03-2005, 10:30 PM

9th inning up to like 160 and still has his control. About to go extra innings if the Marlins can hold the Nationals in the bottom of inning. Could Frank Robinson be stupid enough to send him back out.

sebastian0622 · 06-03-2005, 10:32 PM

Probably.

rangers85 · 06-03-2005, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

9th inning up to like 160 and still has his control. About to go extra innings if the Marlins can hold the Nationals in the bottom of inning. Could Frank Robinson be stupid enough to send him back out.

It's only 150. Quite the exagerating [/Dusty Baker]

jaxmagicman · 06-03-2005, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by rangers85

It's only 150. Quite the exagerating [/Dusty Baker]

150 or like 160. Its ten pitches. And I didn't even say 160, I said like 160.

rangers85 · 06-03-2005, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

150 or like 160. Its ten pitches. And I didn't even say 160, I said like 160.

But those 10 pitches might have been the critical 10 like we've seen since Cordero has now replaced Hernandez

jaxmagicman · 06-03-2005, 10:41 PM

150 is a lot of pitches to throw. Hernandez does have some wear on his arm.

jaxmagicman · 06-03-2005, 11:11 PM

Well it looks like it is going to pay off. Marlins are giving this game away.

UngratefulDead · 06-03-2005, 11:13 PM

Pitch counts are overrated. Hernandez isn't young, doesn't have an injury history, I see no problem with him throwing 160 pitches.

El Cid Part II · 06-03-2005, 11:39 PM

Like Ungrateful Dead said, besides this is not the 1st time Livian has thrown 150 pitches for a CG

Is it a coincidence that he has really never been hurt?

Brick · 06-07-2005, 01:33 PM

There's a Nats blogger who believes Livan is pitching in the style of Christy Mathewson and the hurlers of a hundred years ago. The interesting part of the entry:

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I'm pretty confident in saying Livan succeeds because he half-asses it out there on the mound. He goes reaaaallly Old Skool (Like Christy Matthewson old) and doesn't throw 100% on every pitch. It's simple machismo. He knows that he doesn't need to throw hard to every batter, because he's better than them.

Think about the homerun derby. Hitting the ball isn't easy. And even in a situation like that, where conditions couldn't be more optimal, the top sluggers in the game still hit cans of corn. (Yes, I know it's not a perfect example, but you get the essence of what I'm getting at.)

Livan knows, as Christy Matthewson used to advocate, that some batters will just get themselves out -- whether it's swinging at junk, or even hitting a scorching liner right at someone.

So, when he's facing a weak batter, he'll loosen up, saving the juice in his arm for the big batters, or a crucial situation in the game. And this confidence also means that he's not afraid to pitch around batters. He knows that he can bear down when he needs to and get out of any jams that may arise.

congobeast · 06-07-2005, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Brick

There's a Nats blogger who believes Livan is pitching in the style of Christy Mathewson and the hurlers of a hundred years ago. The interesting part of the entry:

That's an interesting. Moreso, if it's the truth.
Anyone hear/see anything else about this possibility? I'm intrigued.

Luis_Rivera · 06-07-2005, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Brick

There's a Nats blogger who believes Livan is pitching in the style of Christy Mathewson and the hurlers of a hundred years ago. The interesting part of the entry:

Many of those guys, though... including Mathewson flamed out by the time they were in their early thirties.

I'm not sure about Mathewson, I think his back problems that led to his flameout were war related.

rem · 06-07-2005, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by UngratefulDead

Pitch counts are overrated. Hernandez isn't young, doesn't have an injury history, I see no problem with him throwing 160 pitches.

I don't think I'd ever want push a guy past 145 and I'd only that in very rare circumstances. Honestly, I find it werid that a guy can throw 150 pitches and still be pitching well enough to warrant leaving him in the game.

As for Hernandez, what do you think about this?

AG ERA+ IP
22 127 96
23 87 234
24 91 199 <-- traded midseason to Baker
25 114 240
26 77 226
27 87 216
28 155 233 <-- traded away from Baker
29 115 255

rudel.dietrich · 06-07-2005, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Luis_Rivera

Many of those guys, though... including Mathewson flamed out by the time they were in their early thirties.

I'm not sure about Mathewson, I think his back problems that led to his flameout were war related.

Being gassed by the Germans did not help out his cause.

Luis_Rivera · 06-07-2005, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

Being gassed by the Germans did not help out his cause.

You bastards.

06-03-2005, 10:30 PM	#1
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El Cid Part II Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2005 Location: Reuniting the Spanish Cookie Elves Posts: 51	Like Ungrateful Dead said, besides this is not the 1st time Livian has thrown 150 pitches for a CG Is it a coincidence that he has really never been hurt? __________________ George Bush- "Thank you, and Goats Blow America" Last edited by El Cid Part II; 06-03-2005 at 11:40 PM.

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sebastian0622 Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,465	Probably.

06-03-2005, 11:13 PM	#8
UngratefulDead Banned Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 3,415	Pitch counts are overrated. Hernandez isn't young, doesn't have an injury history, I see no problem with him throwing 160 pitches.