Lamon Brewster vs. Andrew Golota

andjbock · 05-21-2005, 11:01 PM

Great fight. Took all of 53 seconds before it was called because Brewster knocked Golota down 3 times.

This was a huge boost for the Heavyweight Division. Brewster definitely has made himself the person to contend with now.

rdklein · 05-23-2005, 12:30 AM

I watched Winky jab Trinidad to death on the replay bout, then went to the kitchen to get myself a drink because the Brewster v Golota fight is the one I really wanted to see.... and the damn thing was over!!!!

Was a good showing by Brewster, though.

I'm pretty exited about the Kostya Tszyu v Ricky Hatton fight too that's in 2 weeks - on Showtime. I guess they are fighting in Hatton's hometown... shouldn't matter. Tszyu is one of the best fighters in any division.

Johnny Slick · 05-23-2005, 01:34 AM

Not to be all racist and stuff, but who was the last white American heavyweight who was a useful contender? Golota seems to be awful when he steps in the ring against great opponents, Gerry Cooney was decent up until he started fighting people who were ranked, Chuck Wepner was basically a 1-bout fighter... Rocky Marciano? Man, good thing Jack London isn't around anymore, because he'd probably anoint Butterbean as the "Great White Hope."

rdklein · 05-23-2005, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Slick

Not to be all racist and stuff, but who was the last white American heavyweight who was a useful contender? Golota seems to be awful when he steps in the ring against great opponents, Gerry Cooney was decent up until he started fighting people who were ranked, Chuck Wepner was basically a 1-bout fighter... Rocky Marciano? Man, good thing Jack London isn't around anymore, because he'd probably anoint Butterbean as the "Great White Hope."

Golota is from Poland, so you can't really count him... unless you think that because he moved to Chicago, he should count.

But if that's the case, Klitschko lives in LA now.

jcwean · 05-23-2005, 09:24 AM

Lamon's attitude after the fight was refreshing, though. He's a really nice guy.

I am now rooting for him.

thevat · 05-24-2005, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Slick

Not to be all racist and stuff, but who was the last white American heavyweight who was a useful contender? Golota seems to be awful when he steps in the ring against great opponents, Gerry Cooney was decent up until he started fighting people who were ranked, Chuck Wepner was basically a 1-bout fighter... Rocky Marciano? Man, good thing Jack London isn't around anymore, because he'd probably anoint Butterbean as the "Great White Hope."

Someone beat me to it letting you know that Golota isn't American; though he gave Riddick Bowe all he could handle (even without the low blow mayhem) years ago....

I would add Tommy Morrison to the list of aforementioned fighters. He was well on his way for a while there; til he got pummeled by the upper echelon guys (and a few lower ones as well, IIRC)

andjbock · 05-24-2005, 08:56 PM

Rocky Marciano would be my guess.

sebastian0622 · 05-24-2005, 09:15 PM

Rocky

...

Balboa

GForce · 05-24-2005, 09:22 PM

It's really since Cooney, Tex Cobb...if you just look at title fights for the WBA, WBC, IBF, you can't even find a white American challenger.

GH

jte87 · 05-25-2005, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Slick

Not to be all racist and stuff, but who was the last white American heavyweight who was a useful contender? Golota seems to be awful when he steps in the ring against great opponents, Gerry Cooney was decent up until he started fighting people who were ranked, Chuck Wepner was basically a 1-bout fighter... Rocky Marciano? Man, good thing Jack London isn't around anymore, because he'd probably anoint Butterbean as the "Great White Hope."

Well, since Joe Mesi broke our hearts, you probably have to go back a ways.

boilermaker · 05-25-2005, 06:58 AM

Incidentally, Lamon Brewster has knocked out Wladmir Klitschko before....

The Heavyweight Division has been wierd for years...nobody really establishes themselves clear cut as the best, it just seems like fighters rise to the top out of attrition. That includes Lewis (when he was active) and Byrd, in my opinion.

JDOldSchool · 05-25-2005, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by boilermaker

The Heavyweight Division has been wierd for years...nobody really establishes themselves clear cut as the best, it just seems like fighters rise to the top out of attrition. That includes Lewis (when he was active) and Byrd, in my opinion.

Which is why boxing is barely on the radar these days. The other day I was talking to my girlfriend's grandmother about boxing. She was telling me about how important boxing used to be. Most sports fans recognize "Down goes Frazier!" and they know about the Thrilla in Manilla and it just seems like Ali, Frazier, Foreman, etc. is more interesting. In the past 15 years, the only real boxing moment of note is Tyson going all cannibal on Holyfield.

Boxing needs a couple young, charismatic, GOOD heavyweights. Two guys who just destroy everyone. Build them up for a couple years then let them go at it. It could revive the sport.

rdklein · 05-25-2005, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

Which is why boxing is barely on the radar these days. The other day I was talking to my girlfriend's grandmother about boxing. She was telling me about how important boxing used to be. Most sports fans recognize "Down goes Frazier!" and they know about the Thrilla in Manilla and it just seems like Ali, Frazier, Foreman, etc. is more interesting. In the past 15 years, the only real boxing moment of note is Tyson going all cannibal on Holyfield.

Boxing needs a couple young, charismatic, GOOD heavyweights. Two guys who just destroy everyone. Build them up for a couple years then let them go at it. It could revive the sport.

I think what is killing the sport is PPV. Most other sports are all over the tube and it's easy to flip through channels and get name/face/superstar recognition even if you aren't into a particular sport. Boxing has completely lost that with PPV because people just aren't willing to spend $40 to watch the superstars fight... and well, unless you are a true fan, if you can't watch the superstars, what's the point of watching the second class fighters on late night cable?

boilermaker · 05-25-2005, 10:08 PM

Yeah....I mean, how many television stations existed thirty years ago? Boxing didn't have much to compete with in the first place.

It's a shame, because it's a great sport in my opinion. Bad heavyweight division or not, I kind of wish the sport received at least a little more attention.

JDOldSchool · 05-26-2005, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by rdklein

I think what is killing the sport is PPV. Most other sports are all over the tube and it's easy to flip through channels and get name/face/superstar recognition even if you aren't into a particular sport. Boxing has completely lost that with PPV because people just aren't willing to spend $40 to watch the superstars fight... and well, unless you are a true fan, if you can't watch the superstars, what's the point of watching the second class fighters on late night cable?

Good point. I'm not a boxing fan, but I'm a sports fan who can get into just about anything. There's no way I'd pay money to see 95% of the heavyweight fights (or any other fights), but I'd definitely watch if it was on free TV. Heck, even HBO/Showtime isn't that bad. I've got HBO. I have friends who get Showtime. Those fights are watchable.

boilermaker · 05-26-2005, 06:26 AM

I might point out, drunkenly, that Kostya Tszyu and Mr. Hatton, Brit dude are fighting on Showtime either next week or the week after.

Anyone who is remotely interested in boxing should be watching that throwdown. Potential history there.

rdklein · 05-26-2005, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by boilermaker

I might point out, drunkenly, that Kostya Tszyu and Mr. Hatton, Brit dude are fighting on Showtime either next week or the week after.

Anyone who is remotely interested in boxing should be watching that throwdown. Potential history there.

See post #2

June 4th I believe.

05-21-2005, 11:01 PM	#1
andjbock Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Somerville, MA, USA Bats: Right Throws: Left Posts: 3,630	Lamon Brewster vs. Andrew Golota Great fight. Took all of 53 seconds before it was called because Brewster knocked Golota down 3 times. This was a huge boost for the Heavyweight Division. Brewster definitely has made himself the person to contend with now.

05-23-2005, 12:30 AM	#2
rdklein All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The other side. Posts: 771	I watched Winky jab Trinidad to death on the replay bout, then went to the kitchen to get myself a drink because the Brewster v Golota fight is the one I really wanted to see.... and the damn thing was over!!!! Was a good showing by Brewster, though. I'm pretty exited about the Kostya Tszyu v Ricky Hatton fight too that's in 2 weeks - on Showtime. I guess they are fighting in Hatton's hometown... shouldn't matter. Tszyu is one of the best fighters in any division.

05-23-2005, 01:34 AM	#3
Johnny Slick Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,012	Not to be all racist and stuff, but who was the last white American heavyweight who was a useful contender? Golota seems to be awful when he steps in the ring against great opponents, Gerry Cooney was decent up until he started fighting people who were ranked, Chuck Wepner was basically a 1-bout fighter... Rocky Marciano? Man, good thing Jack London isn't around anymore, because he'd probably anoint Butterbean as the "Great White Hope."

05-23-2005, 09:24 AM	#5
jcwean Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 31	Lamon's attitude after the fight was refreshing, though. He's a really nice guy. I am now rooting for him.

05-24-2005, 08:56 PM	#7
andjbock Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Somerville, MA, USA Bats: Right Throws: Left Posts: 3,630	Rocky Marciano would be my guess.

05-24-2005, 09:15 PM	#8
sebastian0622 Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,465	Rocky ... Balboa

05-24-2005, 09:22 PM	#9
GForce Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,458 Infractions: 0/2 (2)	It's really since Cooney, Tex Cobb...if you just look at title fights for the WBA, WBC, IBF, you can't even find a white American challenger. GH

05-25-2005, 06:58 AM	#11
boilermaker All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 1,956	Incidentally, Lamon Brewster has knocked out Wladmir Klitschko before.... The Heavyweight Division has been wierd for years...nobody really establishes themselves clear cut as the best, it just seems like fighters rise to the top out of attrition. That includes Lewis (when he was active) and Byrd, in my opinion.

05-25-2005, 10:08 PM	#14
boilermaker All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 1,956	Yeah....I mean, how many television stations existed thirty years ago? Boxing didn't have much to compete with in the first place. It's a shame, because it's a great sport in my opinion. Bad heavyweight division or not, I kind of wish the sport received at least a little more attention.

05-26-2005, 06:26 AM	#16
boilermaker All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 1,956	I might point out, drunkenly, that Kostya Tszyu and Mr. Hatton, Brit dude are fighting on Showtime either next week or the week after. Anyone who is remotely interested in boxing should be watching that throwdown. Potential history there.