New York Met's Official 2005 Thread

potatoman · 04-07-2005, 09:42 PM

0-3 to start the season? C'mon. I mean it's only 3 games and all teams are going to have 3 game losing streaks but still. I hope they break out and start winning because I had very high expectations for them this season, possibly the most I've ever had in the beginning of any season (that I have been alive for). The "New" Mets? I want to see the what's new....losing is DEFINATELY NOT new...

benchwarmer · 04-07-2005, 09:46 PM

The opening day lost must have been sour to pedro. No decision because of the bullpenn. Just like most of his career was in boston. lol

Davey Eckstein · 04-07-2005, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by potatoman

0-3 to start the season? C'mon. I mean it's only 3 games and all teams are going to have 3 game losing streaks but still. I hope they break out and start winning because I had very high expectations for them this season, possibly the most I've ever had in the beginning of any season (that I have been alive for). The "New" Mets? I want to see the what's new....losing is DEFINATELY NOT new...

It's because they're bad that they're losing.

Karros270 · 04-07-2005, 10:08 PM

Forget lets meet the Mets. Lets beat the Mets. 0-162 this year and they're still going to finish ahead of the Nationals.

rudel.dietrich · 04-07-2005, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Karros270

Forget lets meet the Mets. Lets beat the Mets. 0-162 this year and they're still going to finish ahead of the Nationals.

The Nationals are 2-1

benchwarmer · 04-07-2005, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

The Nationals are 2-1

And apperntly thats 2 more wins then some people think the muts, i mean mets will get. heh

rudel.dietrich · 04-07-2005, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by benchwarmer

And apperntly thats 2 more wins then some people think the muts, i mean mets will get. heh

I would not mind.

Karros270 · 04-07-2005, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

The Nationals are 2-1

A tricky prediction then but I'm nothing if not bold in my predictions. They'll find a way.

rudel.dietrich · 04-07-2005, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Karros270

A tricky prediction then but I'm nothing if not bold in my predictions. They'll find a way.

Watch Canada find some obscure law that shows them moving was illegal and MLB forfeits their entire season.
Damn Canadians foul up everything

Karros270 · 04-07-2005, 10:19 PM

Well, if I remember right Joe Morgan was pretty convinced in his NL East predictions that Jim Bowden had the Nationals moving in the right direction so you've got that going for you.

rudel.dietrich · 04-07-2005, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Karros270

Well, if I remember right Joe Morgan was pretty convinced in his NL East predictions that Jim Bowden had the Nationals moving in the right direction so you've got that going for you.

But they are sooooo clutch!!!!!11!!

Karros270 · 04-07-2005, 10:23 PM

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But they are sooooo clutch!!!!!11!!

d00d, obviously Jim Bowden is a genius, why else would teams keep lining up to hire him?

Slackker · 04-07-2005, 10:27 PM

As a Mets fan I can only say this....

Glad I'm still not watching baseball until Selig is gone =)

Note: Does not apply to special moments. Ichiro's hit record, for example.

MogulChamp · 04-07-2005, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by potatoman

0-3 to start the season? C'mon. I mean it's only 3 games and all teams are going to have 3 game losing streaks but still. I hope they break out and start winning because I had very high expectations for them this season, possibly the most I've ever had in the beginning of any season (that I have been alive for). The "New" Mets? I want to see the what's new....losing is DEFINATELY NOT new...

Well I am not a Mets fan, but it certainly is disheartening for them to not be successful. If they aren't this year, they have a serious problem. The entire team is pretty loaded and looks great on paper.

The only negative for them during the preseason was the bullpen. Apparently it is as bad as people were predicting. I would like to see them fix this, they have a pretty solid team and I would like to watch them succeed on a consistent basis. If not them at least someone in the NL East other than Atlanta. Their fans are so jaded that it sickens me...

ctorg · 04-08-2005, 08:13 AM

The bullpen lost the first to games for them, really. Certainly the first one, and I'd say the second one.

I don't think the team looks as good on paper as others seem to think it does. It looks like a decent team, but I'm not entirely confident in them. I think they still need to fill in a couple more holes before they're really a good team.

The best Mets team in the last 10 years, IMO, was the 1999 team, even though it wasn't until the next year that they made it to the World Series. Mike Piazza, John Olerud, and Robin Ventura were really great in the middle of the order. Defense was strong, and the pitching was pretty good, anchored by Rick Reed and Al Leiter. They had a lot going for them. Everything fell apart in 2001 and it hasn't been the same since.

potatoman · 04-08-2005, 10:50 PM

0-4 now, I really hope they pick it up sometime soon.

GForce · 04-08-2005, 10:54 PM

I won't be able to watch 30 starts of Victor Zambrano...guy throws 4 pitches that miss by a foot, then gets guy swinging at balls and missing THEM by a foot. 100 pitches in 5 innings, gives up 2 runs. Not bad, but the guy wastes SO many pitches.

And throwing him back to back with Ishii, who gives up 2 hits over 7 and still lets up 5 runs.

This team is going to be maddening to watch this year. Enough talent to do well in stretches, but enough blemishes to look very, very ugly at times.

GH

toolboxnj · 04-09-2005, 12:57 AM

Well, 2 starters out of the rotation right now (Benson and Steve Traschel) lest you forget. I think the issue with the relief pitching is overblown, since it's not just the Mets that have a terrible 'pen. The Mets will win some games beating up on other teams' relief pitching as well. They are getting the hits, but nothing in the runs department.

It's painful that the best news as a Mets fan I have is that Rivera blew two consecutive saves.

rudel.dietrich · 04-09-2005, 12:53 PM

So how are these mets like umm...new.
First time I had seen them is last night. It was just one game but the defense looked like a typical Mets offense, which is to say they looked like a vaudville routine.
The Japanese guy at second looks like he would have trouble playing first, and the leftfielder looked pretty lost in the outfeld except for that one excellent catch in the first.
So who is going to replace Randolph by the time the road trip is over?

MisterMuttz · 04-09-2005, 01:09 PM

I don't think the team looks as good on paper as others seem to think it does. It looks like a decent team, but I'm not entirely confident in them. I think they still need to fill in a couple more holes before they're really a good team.

The best Mets team in the last 10 years, IMO, was the 1999 team, even though it wasn't until the next year that they made it to the World Series. Mike Piazza, John Olerud, and Robin Ventura were really great in the middle of the order. Defense was strong, and the pitching was pretty good, anchored by Rick Reed and Al Leiter. They had a lot going for them. Everything fell apart in 2001 and it hasn't been the same since.[/QUOTE]

Well it looks good on paper if Glavine has anything left, if Floyd and Reyes don't get hurt, if Kaz can acquire some semblance of defensive form (and stop striking out), if Looper is a real closer, if Piazza can still hit, if Pedro is Pedro for the entire season, if, if ,if.....etc.
Reasonably this should be considered a rebuilding year, but the hyperventilating New York media circus demands instant success. I'd be happy with .500.

You're right about the '99 squad, I still miss Olerud.

04-07-2005, 09:42 PM	#1
potatoman Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,410 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	New York Met's Official 2005 Thread 0-3 to start the season? C'mon. I mean it's only 3 games and all teams are going to have 3 game losing streaks but still. I hope they break out and start winning because I had very high expectations for them this season, possibly the most I've ever had in the beginning of any season (that I have been alive for). The "New" Mets? I want to see the what's new....losing is DEFINATELY NOT new... __________________ GFBL - Storm - 5 seasons - 500 - 310 New Jersey Nighthawks (1227-717) Last 5 seasons 2011: 118-44 2012: 100-62 2013: 111-51 2014: 106-56 2015: 108-54 OTBA Champions: 2008, 2010,2011

04-07-2005, 10:08 PM	#4
Karros270 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,392	Forget lets meet the Mets. Lets beat the Mets. 0-162 this year and they're still going to finish ahead of the Nationals. __________________ now everybody's praying...don't prey on me

04-07-2005, 10:19 PM	#10
Karros270 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,392	Well, if I remember right Joe Morgan was pretty convinced in his NL East predictions that Jim Bowden had the Nationals moving in the right direction so you've got that going for you. __________________ now everybody's praying...don't prey on me

04-08-2005, 08:13 AM	#15
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	The bullpen lost the first to games for them, really. Certainly the first one, and I'd say the second one. I don't think the team looks as good on paper as others seem to think it does. It looks like a decent team, but I'm not entirely confident in them. I think they still need to fill in a couple more holes before they're really a good team. The best Mets team in the last 10 years, IMO, was the 1999 team, even though it wasn't until the next year that they made it to the World Series. Mike Piazza, John Olerud, and Robin Ventura were really great in the middle of the order. Defense was strong, and the pitching was pretty good, anchored by Rick Reed and Al Leiter. They had a lot going for them. Everything fell apart in 2001 and it hasn't been the same since. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

04-08-2005, 10:50 PM	#16
potatoman Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,410 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	0-4 now, I really hope they pick it up sometime soon. __________________ GFBL - Storm - 5 seasons - 500 - 310 New Jersey Nighthawks (1227-717) Last 5 seasons 2011: 118-44 2012: 100-62 2013: 111-51 2014: 106-56 2015: 108-54 OTBA Champions: 2008, 2010,2011

04-07-2005, 09:46 PM	#2
benchwarmer Banned Join Date: May 2004 Location: Red Sox Nation Posts: 1,461	The opening day lost must have been sour to pedro. No decision because of the bullpenn. Just like most of his career was in boston. lol

04-07-2005, 10:27 PM	#13
Slackker All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Connecticut Posts: 777	As a Mets fan I can only say this.... Glad I'm still not watching baseball until Selig is gone =) Note: Does not apply to special moments. Ichiro's hit record, for example.

04-08-2005, 10:54 PM	#17
GForce Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,458 Infractions: 0/2 (2)	I won't be able to watch 30 starts of Victor Zambrano...guy throws 4 pitches that miss by a foot, then gets guy swinging at balls and missing THEM by a foot. 100 pitches in 5 innings, gives up 2 runs. Not bad, but the guy wastes SO many pitches. And throwing him back to back with Ishii, who gives up 2 hits over 7 and still lets up 5 runs. This team is going to be maddening to watch this year. Enough talent to do well in stretches, but enough blemishes to look very, very ugly at times. GH

04-09-2005, 12:57 AM	#18
toolboxnj Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 192	Well, 2 starters out of the rotation right now (Benson and Steve Traschel) lest you forget. I think the issue with the relief pitching is overblown, since it's not just the Mets that have a terrible 'pen. The Mets will win some games beating up on other teams' relief pitching as well. They are getting the hits, but nothing in the runs department. It's painful that the best news as a Mets fan I have is that Rivera blew two consecutive saves.

04-09-2005, 12:53 PM	#19
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	So how are these mets like umm...new. First time I had seen them is last night. It was just one game but the defense looked like a typical Mets offense, which is to say they looked like a vaudville routine. The Japanese guy at second looks like he would have trouble playing first, and the leftfielder looked pretty lost in the outfeld except for that one excellent catch in the first. So who is going to replace Randolph by the time the road trip is over?

04-09-2005, 01:09 PM	#20
MisterMuttz Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 33	I don't think the team looks as good on paper as others seem to think it does. It looks like a decent team, but I'm not entirely confident in them. I think they still need to fill in a couple more holes before they're really a good team. The best Mets team in the last 10 years, IMO, was the 1999 team, even though it wasn't until the next year that they made it to the World Series. Mike Piazza, John Olerud, and Robin Ventura were really great in the middle of the order. Defense was strong, and the pitching was pretty good, anchored by Rick Reed and Al Leiter. They had a lot going for them. Everything fell apart in 2001 and it hasn't been the same since.[/QUOTE] Well it looks good on paper if Glavine has anything left, if Floyd and Reyes don't get hurt, if Kaz can acquire some semblance of defensive form (and stop striking out), if Looper is a real closer, if Piazza can still hit, if Pedro is Pedro for the entire season, if, if ,if.....etc. Reasonably this should be considered a rebuilding year, but the hyperventilating New York media circus demands instant success. I'd be happy with .500. You're right about the '99 squad, I still miss Olerud.