Newbie game question

TJ1964 · 03-31-2005, 05:13 PM

Hello,

I'm getting a lot better at the game, and have found a lot out on my own by searching forums but still have a question I haven't quite figured out yet:

Evaluating Players---What exactly is the difference between an "talent" rating and "overall" rating. Is Talent rating sort of like their potential or something?

Thanks,

TJ

andjbock · 03-31-2005, 05:15 PM

exactly.

Plus a lot of people draft players based on potential (talent ratings) rather than their established skills (player ratings)

TJ1964 · 03-31-2005, 05:22 PM

Thanks...

Without giving away your personal strategy--there are SO MANY ways to evaluate players---current stats, past stats, ratings, scores, minor league stats, major league stats, etc etc. Do you weigh one more than others or just look at everything together? I am in a league now and took over a last place team so I'm looking at free agents, rookies, trades, etc for the very first time. I don't want to get burned so I'm trying to get smart in a hurry.

Any advice?

The Funk · 03-31-2005, 05:44 PM

Lots of this will depend on the rating system your league is using, generally if players are rated on a 1-100 scale then definitely use rating as much as possible IMO. As you get into lower rating scales, e.g. 1-10 use the ratings but tie it in with the stats a lot more as the ratings are a lot less exact. Stats are usually quite a good way to judge minor leaguers as well I think. What scale does the league use?

renn · 03-31-2005, 05:51 PM

Quick word of advice on rookies. Someone is going to try to dazzle you with offering some top notch rookies, you know, 4 or 5 stars, for a number one draft choice or a top notch veteran. Be careful because alot of rookies maintain their 5 star status for years but never live up to their potential. If a guy has been in minors for 3 or 4 years and his ratings are still low, the guy is probably going to be a bust, so don't be impressed by the high talent ratings or stars. Also, a guy could have a great minor league career but you still need to take a close look at his contact, power and eye ratings. They might not be sufficient for a major league career.

andjbock · 03-31-2005, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Funk

Lots of this will depend on the rating system your league is using, generally if players are rated on a 1-100 scale then definitely use rating as much as possible IMO. As you get into lower rating scales, e.g. 1-10 use the ratings but tie it in with the stats a lot more as the ratings are a lot less exact. Stats are usually quite a good way to judge minor leaguers as well I think. What scale does the league use?

The minors #'s are generally over inflated though, especially the HRs. Also I have seen vets knock the crap out of the ball in AAA e.g. but still hit .220 in the pros.

The Funk · 03-31-2005, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andjbock

The minors #'s are generally over inflated though, especially the HRs. Also I have seen vets knock the crap out of the ball in AAA e.g. but still hit .220 in the pros.

True, you have to take that into account. Generally though if a young guy's stats are great but his ratings are average at best then I'll give him a shot a the next level and see how he does.

andjbock · 03-31-2005, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Funk

True, you have to take that into account. Generally though if a young guy's stats are great but his ratings are average at best then I'll give him a shot a the next level and see how he does.

Yeah I guess for young players it isn't much of a problem.

TJ1964 · 03-31-2005, 08:03 PM

Great feedback thanks...

The last comment about eye, contact, etc also brings up a good questions about how important THOSE are.

BTW, I have a 20 year old rookie, 5 star 2nd base prospect in Double A with the following ratings.

Overall:
Contact 40
Gap 43
HomeRun 44
Eye 58
Avoid K 34

Talent:
Contact 59
Gap 50
HR 60
Eye 97
Avoid K 40

What would happen if he were called up to the majors? Is he ready?

disposableheros · 03-31-2005, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TJ1964

Great feedback thanks...

The last comment about eye, contact, etc also brings up a good questions about how important THOSE are.

BTW, I have a 20 year old rookie, 5 star 2nd base prospect in Double A with the following ratings.

Overall:
Contact 40
Gap 43
HomeRun 44
Eye 58
Avoid K 34

Talent:
Contact 59
Gap 50
HR 60
Eye 97
Avoid K 40

What would happen if he were called up to the majors? Is he ready?

what kinda stats is he putting up? if they are decent/good id give him a bump to AAA at least. if they are stellar, then yea i might go straight to the bigs.

Malleus Dei · 03-31-2005, 09:25 PM

This game almost requires a gentle hand on the promotion/demotion lever.

Cooker · 04-01-2005, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by renn

Quick word of advice on rookies. Someone is going to try to dazzle you with offering some top notch rookies, you know, 4 or 5 stars, for a number one draft choice or a top notch veteran. Be careful because alot of rookies maintain their 5 star status for years but never live up to their potential. If a guy has been in minors for 3 or 4 years and his ratings are still low, the guy is probably going to be a bust, so don't be impressed by the high talent ratings or stars.

This is a great comment; very important. In my fictional league I had this 5 blue star SP in AA named Ernesto Guila with fabulous talent, but his actual ratings were very low and his AA stats weren't good, either. But the scouting report on his player card was high praise ("one of the top starters for years to come"). Then Ernesto turned 26 and, bang. Immediately his scouting report said he'd never make the majors and looked like a career minor leaguer.

I tried to trade Ernesto and had no interest from any AI teams. Just for fun, I edited his age to bring him back below 26 and, presto, all of a sudden the AI teams were offering me great players for Ernesto.

The moral of the story - don't believe the blue stars and the scouting reports for players who've been in the minors for years with big gaps between talent and ratings. The stars and scouting reports will change overnight when the guy turns 26.

03-31-2005, 05:13 PM	#1
TJ1964 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 29	Newbie game question Hello, I'm getting a lot better at the game, and have found a lot out on my own by searching forums but still have a question I haven't quite figured out yet: Evaluating Players---What exactly is the difference between an "talent" rating and "overall" rating. Is Talent rating sort of like their potential or something? Thanks, TJ

03-31-2005, 05:15 PM	#2
andjbock Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Somerville, MA, USA Bats: Right Throws: Left Posts: 3,640	exactly. Plus a lot of people draft players based on potential (talent ratings) rather than their established skills (player ratings) Last edited by andjbock; 03-31-2005 at 05:18 PM.

03-31-2005, 05:22 PM	#3
TJ1964 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 29	Thanks....and one more thing? Thanks... Without giving away your personal strategy--there are SO MANY ways to evaluate players---current stats, past stats, ratings, scores, minor league stats, major league stats, etc etc. Do you weigh one more than others or just look at everything together? I am in a league now and took over a last place team so I'm looking at free agents, rookies, trades, etc for the very first time. I don't want to get burned so I'm trying to get smart in a hurry. Any advice?

03-31-2005, 05:44 PM	#4
The Funk All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Watford Posts: 903	Lots of this will depend on the rating system your league is using, generally if players are rated on a 1-100 scale then definitely use rating as much as possible IMO. As you get into lower rating scales, e.g. 1-10 use the ratings but tie it in with the stats a lot more as the ratings are a lot less exact. Stats are usually quite a good way to judge minor leaguers as well I think. What scale does the league use? __________________ Talkin' 'bout the issues but keepin' it funky!

03-31-2005, 08:03 PM	#9
TJ1964 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 29	Great Feedback Great feedback thanks... The last comment about eye, contact, etc also brings up a good questions about how important THOSE are. BTW, I have a 20 year old rookie, 5 star 2nd base prospect in Double A with the following ratings. Overall: Contact 40 Gap 43 HomeRun 44 Eye 58 Avoid K 34 Talent: Contact 59 Gap 50 HR 60 Eye 97 Avoid K 40 What would happen if he were called up to the majors? Is he ready?

03-31-2005, 05:51 PM	#5
renn Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2004 Location: Chicago, Illinois Posts: 89	Quick word of advice on rookies. Someone is going to try to dazzle you with offering some top notch rookies, you know, 4 or 5 stars, for a number one draft choice or a top notch veteran. Be careful because alot of rookies maintain their 5 star status for years but never live up to their potential. If a guy has been in minors for 3 or 4 years and his ratings are still low, the guy is probably going to be a bust, so don't be impressed by the high talent ratings or stars. Also, a guy could have a great minor league career but you still need to take a close look at his contact, power and eye ratings. They might not be sufficient for a major league career.