Spring training

MJB_919 · 03-26-2005, 02:55 AM

How about an actual preseason so players can decide how to set thier opening day rosters.

jdw · 03-26-2005, 06:00 PM

I agree this would be very nice, even if shortened.

Championship Manager/Football Manager has a pre-season inwhich you can schedule games, tinker with line ups, work players into shape, and work in new players with your vets to get them "familar" with each other.

John

Le Grande Orange · 03-26-2005, 07:30 PM

If you check the thread started by Markus a month or two ago on OOTP7's progress, there's a comment in there where he mentions one of the stats areas tracked for players is their pre-season stats.

This would indicated there is some kind of pre-season in there, otherwise no stats would be generated for it. However, the exact nature of this pre-season wasn't defined.

I wouldn't mind seeing an exhibition season to try out different players and lineups. I also have access to a fair number of actual MLB exhibition schedules, so pre-season games could be handled with the real schedules just like the regular season...

sebastian0622 · 04-02-2005, 05:14 AM

In addition to this, I would like to see some sort of numerical summary provided at the conclusion of ST...similar to what EA does in Madden/NCAA Football. This would be very helpful to those of us who play with 1-100 rating scales.

I know that, with the way OOTP is built, there probably wouldn't be an entirely new interface for this, but even if it was in report form. Something like:

P. Gammons increased his contact rating by 2.
B. James increased his movement by 1.
J. Morgan's contact decreased by 1.

ravinhood · 04-03-2005, 06:29 PM

I just signed on to ask for this to be added to the game as well, while watching Rangers spring training baseball and them talking about who was going to make the rosters and who was not. I'd like that opportunity to be able to decide that as well. I'd suggest at least an "option" for this in the game, a month long actual pre-season of play to get ready for the full season. Then I could see that that pitcher that was great last year, is suking big time this year. All too often I start the season with some duffers that did well the prior season and come out getting smoked in the next season. So I spend a month of "regular" season bringing players up and putting them down until I find the roster I want.

Definitely need a real spring season ability, along with the spring season training setup that is already in the game.

@Sebastian, I write down all my players and their traits before every spring season, just so I can actually see how much they increased. I agree, what you ask for would be a welcome addition to the game as well. It would save me a lot of writing and paper.

Dan Theman · 04-03-2005, 10:39 PM

Well, we just have to wait until sometime around October - it's coming. Exactly what form it will be in has yet to be seen, but any spring training is good spring training

Fibonacci · 04-05-2005, 08:06 AM

Proof positive about the importance of Sprint Training stats: Dimitri Young hit 3 homers on opening day for Detroit after not hitting a single long ball in ST. All I can say about that, is it's lucky that manager Trammell didn't base his lineup on DT stats!

sahyder1 · 04-05-2005, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Fibonacci

Proof positive about the importance of Sprint Training stats: Dimitri Young hit 3 homers on opening day for Detroit after not hitting a single long ball in ST. All I can say about that, is it's lucky that manager Trammell didn't base his lineup on DT stats!

yeah but your example is just dumb because Young is one of those players who's been a key guy in the lineup the past few years so he basically had the job won already. What this is for is guys like Gabe Gross of the Jays who ended up cracking the roster. This is about guys like Bubba Crosby who beat out veterans for the 25th slot on the Yankee roster for the 2nd straight year.

Fibonacci · 04-05-2005, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sahyder1

yeah but your example is just dumb because Young is one of those players who's been a key guy in the lineup the past few years so he basically had the job won already. What this is for is guys like Gabe Gross of the Jays who ended up cracking the roster. This is about guys like Bubba Crosby who beat out veterans for the 25th slot on the Yankee roster for the 2nd straight year.

My example is just one extreme example of the unimportance of ST stats. Ofcourse his job was already won. Proving my point that these stats aren't necessarily a significant factor in determining ML slots or lineups. This subject has been raised many times on these forums, and I've utilized many other examples to illustrate my point, and there are many more that I'm sure I'll have opportunity to use in the future. Even the guys on 1st and 10, (ESPN program) agreed with me about ST stats.

As far as players similar to the ones that you mentioned, I'm certain they make their teams based on many other factors that are more important than their ST stats.

(Besides, I was just excited that Detroit won and thought I'd crow a little bit about their opening day victory.)

Dan Theman · 04-05-2005, 10:10 PM

Regardless of whether Spring Training stats are important or not, they're fun. And fun is what playing a game is all about.

Dark Horse · 04-06-2005, 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ravinhood

I just signed on to ask for this to be added to the game as well, while watching Rangers spring training baseball and them talking about who was going to make the rosters and who was not. I'd like that opportunity to be able to decide that as well. I'd suggest at least an "option" for this in the game, a month long actual pre-season of play to get ready for the full season. Then I could see that that pitcher that was great last year, is suking big time this year. All too often I start the season with some duffers that did well the prior season and come out getting smoked in the next season. So I spend a month of "regular" season bringing players up and putting them down until I find the roster I want.

Definitely need a real spring season ability, along with the spring season training setup that is already in the game.

@Sebastian, I write down all my players and their traits before every spring season, just so I can actually see how much they increased. I agree, what you ask for would be a welcome addition to the game as well. It would save me a lot of writing and paper.

Yeah, i have this problem, too. It takes a month to determine that the lineup isn't going to work the way i planned or that a pitcher can't handle the role i thought he could. Then you spend another month trying to find the right combo. Then you can start thinking about next season because you're outta' the playoff race.

Can't wait to see how the new spring training works.

ravinhood · 04-07-2005, 08:55 AM

[Dimitri Young hit 3 homers on opening day for Detroit after not hitting a single long ball in ST.]

One "lucky" day does not a good/great player make. I've had players like that in the first month of play end up being goats by the end of the season. So I wouldn't bank on Dimitri Young being such a great choice until the end of the season when one can see his final progress.

Spring training isn't a perfect system for picking ones roster, but, it will certainly give a fair to good idea of what kind of performance you can expect. Instead of having to waste a month of the regular season finding out. This is a stat based game as well, so, it really has nothing to do with "reality" of the real-life season in progress. It will play by the stats, not by "emotions" or "laziness" (yeah some players are lazy during spring training, take a look at Soriano for the Rangers, struckout like 13 times lol).

So a statistical spring season in this type of game will work out much better than a real life spring training would. I think a 30 day spring training addition will be great for the game and it also adds that added fear factor that your players just like in real life might get hurt during spring training. For me it will give me a better opportunity to look at those minor league players in real action vs computer generated stats of hypothetical games. I wanna see my minor leagues play up against the big boys and see how they do, seeing how they do amongst each other in the minor leagues doesn't really tell me a lot.

jerrycapo · 04-12-2005, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fibonacci

Proof positive about the importance of Sprint Training stats: Dimitri Young hit 3 homers on opening day for Detroit after not hitting a single long ball in ST. All I can say about that, is it's lucky that manager Trammell didn't base his lineup on DT stats!

I think most people would agree that you would use ratings before spring training stats to determine the majority of your roster. Occassionally though you have to decide between two or three players to start at second base because none would be a superior option. Spring training stats are mostly used to determine who the fifth outfielder will be, which middle infielder to keep etc.

Spring training stats are not nor will they ever indicate how good a player will be for the season. Some guys tear it up in spring training only to flop during the regular season. Other guys flop in spring training and compete for the MVP or CY Young. But spring training is used to determine position battles and final roster spots IRL. That is all I am asking for.

Like DanTheMan said earlier, spring training stats may not matter but they are fun. I enjoy spring training games and stats as much as I do the regular season. My favorite words in baseball are "pitchers and catchers report." To me it means that after months of MLB withdrawl the season is about to start.
The AFL and winter leagues are a nice distraction but do not compare with Major or Minor league baseball here in the states.

All the best,
Jerry

boilermaker · 04-18-2005, 09:57 PM

NHL:EHM 2005 has a training camp mode that I guess shows some promise for how Spring Training might work out. I wouldn't mind having try-out players up from the AAA, AA, and A squads to check 'em out early on during Spring, maybe play a few in split squad situations. Some final evaluations from bench coaches before making cuts....I honestly would love to see a very involved ST if it were possible.

sebastian0622 · 04-19-2005, 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jerrycapo

Spring training stats are not nor will they ever indicate how good a player will be for the season. Some guys tear it up in spring training only to flop during the regular season. Other guys flop in spring training and compete for the MVP or CY Young. But spring training is used to determine position battles and final roster spots IRL. That is all I am asking for.

Me too. They are significant IRL. Sure, they don't correlate perfectly to regular season success, but I'm sure there is a significant correlation between spring training success and season success. Even if it's just .2 or .3, that's enough statistical proof for me when coupled with managers who come right out and say that ST affects who makes the opening day roster.

It's there in real life, and it's more significant than some other things that are in OOTP, so it should be in the game.

mcgsports · 04-22-2005, 06:52 PM

I perdict it will have everything that baseball does in Spring Training in this games that isn't in it yet! If might be time to ask what are going to be the features of Spring Training!

Smoothie7745 · 04-25-2005, 03:53 PM

I think more than likely we're going to see a better ST this version...it's one of the weaker aspects of v6.

And I, personally, weigh stats a little higher than ratings, although I weigh both heavily, so spring training would be nice. I mean, if Dmitri Young has a rough spring for me, he's still going to be my starting DH, but I'd like to see the kind of runs my team puts up on the board and be able to find the most cohesive offensive unit, like one or two people have already said. I also agree that occasionally a young player will have a breakout spring like Luke Scott did this year with the Astros when he hit 8 HR and almost .400 I think or something like that...or that McCarthy guy with the White Sox, Brandon McCarthy, I think. Sometimes, like on the Astros where they had an extra roster spot with Berkman on the DL, a guy like Scott can have that kind of Spring and merit an active roster spot when the season opens...even if it's as a fourth OF or utility infielder or mopup reliever/spot starter. I just think a full spring training mode at least being an *option* in the game is imperative.

rjk627 · 05-02-2005, 06:00 PM

Spring training is a must for realism - this way you can decide if you want a young player to be on the original 25-man roster without wasting their options.

03-26-2005, 02:55 AM	#1
MJB_919 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 43	Spring training How about an actual preseason so players can decide how to set thier opening day rosters.

04-03-2005, 06:29 PM	#5
ravinhood Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 374 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	I just signed on to ask for this to be added to the game as well, while watching Rangers spring training baseball and them talking about who was going to make the rosters and who was not. I'd like that opportunity to be able to decide that as well. I'd suggest at least an "option" for this in the game, a month long actual pre-season of play to get ready for the full season. Then I could see that that pitcher that was great last year, is suking big time this year. All too often I start the season with some duffers that did well the prior season and come out getting smoked in the next season. So I spend a month of "regular" season bringing players up and putting them down until I find the roster I want. Definitely need a real spring season ability, along with the spring season training setup that is already in the game. @Sebastian, I write down all my players and their traits before every spring season, just so I can actually see how much they increased. I agree, what you ask for would be a welcome addition to the game as well. It would save me a lot of writing and paper. Last edited by ravinhood; 04-03-2005 at 06:31 PM.

04-05-2005, 08:06 AM	#7
Fibonacci Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 283	Proof positive about the importance of Sprint Training stats: Dimitri Young hit 3 homers on opening day for Detroit after not hitting a single long ball in ST. All I can say about that, is it's lucky that manager Trammell didn't base his lineup on DT stats! __________________ It is not certain that everything is uncertain. - Blaise Pascal

04-25-2005, 03:53 PM	#17
Smoothie7745 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 142	I think more than likely we're going to see a better ST this version...it's one of the weaker aspects of v6. And I, personally, weigh stats a little higher than ratings, although I weigh both heavily, so spring training would be nice. I mean, if Dmitri Young has a rough spring for me, he's still going to be my starting DH, but I'd like to see the kind of runs my team puts up on the board and be able to find the most cohesive offensive unit, like one or two people have already said. I also agree that occasionally a young player will have a breakout spring like Luke Scott did this year with the Astros when he hit 8 HR and almost .400 I think or something like that...or that McCarthy guy with the White Sox, Brandon McCarthy, I think. Sometimes, like on the Astros where they had an extra roster spot with Berkman on the DL, a guy like Scott can have that kind of Spring and merit an active roster spot when the season opens...even if it's as a fourth OF or utility infielder or mopup reliever/spot starter. I just think a full spring training mode at least being an option in the game is imperative. __________________ MLSB Astros (original and current Houston Astros GM) FBBL Retro (original and current Astros GM) RIP, ISBL (Houston Astros) RIP, VSL (Houston Astros) RIP, FBBL (original Oakland A's GM) Please visit my website: JasonMarbach.com And the myspace: http://www.myspace.com/jasonmarbach R.I.P. D. K. #57

05-02-2005, 06:00 PM	#18
rjk627 Bat Boy Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 11	Spring training continued Spring training is a must for realism - this way you can decide if you want a young player to be on the original 25-man roster without wasting their options.

03-26-2005, 06:00 PM	#2
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	I agree this would be very nice, even if shortened. Championship Manager/Football Manager has a pre-season inwhich you can schedule games, tinker with line ups, work players into shape, and work in new players with your vets to get them "familar" with each other. John

03-26-2005, 07:30 PM	#3
Le Grande Orange Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Up There Posts: 15,642	If you check the thread started by Markus a month or two ago on OOTP7's progress, there's a comment in there where he mentions one of the stats areas tracked for players is their pre-season stats. This would indicated there is some kind of pre-season in there, otherwise no stats would be generated for it. However, the exact nature of this pre-season wasn't defined. I wouldn't mind seeing an exhibition season to try out different players and lineups. I also have access to a fair number of actual MLB exhibition schedules, so pre-season games could be handled with the real schedules just like the regular season...

04-02-2005, 05:14 AM	#4
sebastian0622 Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,465	In addition to this, I would like to see some sort of numerical summary provided at the conclusion of ST...similar to what EA does in Madden/NCAA Football. This would be very helpful to those of us who play with 1-100 rating scales. I know that, with the way OOTP is built, there probably wouldn't be an entirely new interface for this, but even if it was in report form. Something like: P. Gammons increased his contact rating by 2. B. James increased his movement by 1. J. Morgan's contact decreased by 1.

04-07-2005, 08:55 AM	#12
ravinhood Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 374 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	[Dimitri Young hit 3 homers on opening day for Detroit after not hitting a single long ball in ST.] One "lucky" day does not a good/great player make. I've had players like that in the first month of play end up being goats by the end of the season. So I wouldn't bank on Dimitri Young being such a great choice until the end of the season when one can see his final progress. Spring training isn't a perfect system for picking ones roster, but, it will certainly give a fair to good idea of what kind of performance you can expect. Instead of having to waste a month of the regular season finding out. This is a stat based game as well, so, it really has nothing to do with "reality" of the real-life season in progress. It will play by the stats, not by "emotions" or "laziness" (yeah some players are lazy during spring training, take a look at Soriano for the Rangers, struckout like 13 times lol). So a statistical spring season in this type of game will work out much better than a real life spring training would. I think a 30 day spring training addition will be great for the game and it also adds that added fear factor that your players just like in real life might get hurt during spring training. For me it will give me a better opportunity to look at those minor league players in real action vs computer generated stats of hypothetical games. I wanna see my minor leagues play up against the big boys and see how they do, seeing how they do amongst each other in the minor leagues doesn't really tell me a lot.

04-18-2005, 09:57 PM	#14
boilermaker All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 1,956	NHL:EHM 2005 has a training camp mode that I guess shows some promise for how Spring Training might work out. I wouldn't mind having try-out players up from the AAA, AA, and A squads to check 'em out early on during Spring, maybe play a few in split squad situations. Some final evaluations from bench coaches before making cuts....I honestly would love to see a very involved ST if it were possible.

04-22-2005, 06:52 PM	#16
mcgsports Banned Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 203	I perdict it will have everything that baseball does in Spring Training in this games that isn't in it yet! If might be time to ask what are going to be the features of Spring Training!