4 consecutive Cy Young Awards!!

CLancaster23 · 03-08-2005, 10:09 PM

Anyone seen a pitcher get 4 straight Cy Young awards??

Using Halofan's latest roster, Adam Wainwright has been almost unstoppable.

He won the Cy Young in 2007/08/09/10! Finally, my stud Sean Burnett took the honors in 2011 witn a 25-1 record and a 1.91 ERA and although Wainwright had he better ERA (1.70), he went just 23-3 for St. Louis.... just?

Wainwright's stats for the last 5 seasons:
YR W L ERA IP BoB K's CG ShO WHiP
2007 22 8 1.94 251.0 55 253 6 2 0.98 STL,NL CY YOUNG
2008 24 5 2.01 286.2 36 266 10 5 0.88 STL,NL CY YOUNG
2009 21 4 2.33 220.1 15 189 8 4 0.89 STL,NL CY YOUNG
2010 26 6 1.91 282.2 16 277 10 3 0.83 STL,NL CY YOUNG
2011 23 3 1.70 260.0 26 246 13 8 0.89 STL,NL

Kaline · 03-08-2005, 11:17 PM

Wow.....thos numbers are ridiculous....for any era...let alone modern.

Jonzard · 03-08-2005, 11:26 PM

Very good showing. Do you have the rest of his numbers?

soccercjs22 · 03-08-2005, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonzard

Very good showing. Do you have the rest of his numbers?

i had a guy in a fictional league go 3 straight from age 23-25. He was on his way to another one when my fan in my computer stopped working and my motherboard fried.

I think I'm going to cry just thinking about it.

rem · 03-08-2005, 11:54 PM

I had Barry Zito won nine in one my solo leagues once.

exoverge · 03-09-2005, 12:11 AM

John Isabelle of the NGBL just won his third AL Cy Young in four seasons. Getting better with age as he was 33, 35 & 36 years old when winning the awards.

His Career Stats

NCBeachBum · 03-09-2005, 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaline

Wow.....thos numbers are ridiculous....for any era...let alone modern.

Not too far off from what Maddux did from 92-95, when he won 4 straight.

Khan · 03-09-2005, 09:44 AM

Using CBL's 2.0 rosters, I've had Roy Halladay win 5 of 6 CY's in simmed seasons (it's really 6 of 7 counting the one in real life).

The year he didn't win he still went 24-4, 2.75 ERA, 264.2 IP, 229 K, 1.10 WHIP.

CLancaster23 · 03-09-2005, 02:07 PM

Wainwright's career numbers:

Year G GS W L SV ERA IP HA R ER HR BB K CG SHO WHIP Teams
2005 17 12 8 3 3 2.71 89.2 78 30 27 6 31 77 1 0 1.22 STL
2006 35 35 13 11 0 2.59 264.1 209 80 76 1 80 240 5 2 1.09 STL
2007 33 33 22 8 0 1.94 251.0 191 61 54 1 55 253 6 2 0.98 STL,NL CY YOUNG
2008 36 36 24 5 0 2.01 286.2 217 68 64 4 36 266 10 5 0.88 STL,NL CY YOUNG
2009 28 28 21 4 0 2.33 220.1 182 68 57 2 15 189 8 4 0.89 STL,NL CY YOUNG
2010 36 35 26 6 1 1.91 282.2 219 70 60 2 16 277 10 3 0.83 STL,NL CY YOUNG
2011 32 32 23 3 0 1.70 260.0 206 57 49 0 26 246 13 8 0.89 STL,NL
Total 217 211 137 40 4 2.10 1654.2 1302 434 387 16 259 1548 53 24 0.94

Well I tried to do a chart but not sure how...

Here's Burnett's stats. He's who beat Wainwright in '11 for the Cy Young. You'll see, he wasn't too far off from him either:

[FONT=Fixedsys]Year G GS W L SV ERA IP HA R ER HR BB K CG SHO WHIP Teams
2004 13 13 5 5 0 5.02 71.2 86 41 40 0 28 30 1 1 1.59 PIT
2005 9 9 3 5 0 6.16 57.0 79 41 39 4 21 35 0 0 1.75 PIT
2006 33 33 11 15 0 3.84 246.0 249 115 105 7 81 203 2 1 1.34 PIT
2007 33 33 15 8 0 2.63 233.0 189 76 68 3 89 203 2 0 1.19 PIT
2008 31 31 16 6 0 3.17 236.0 202 91 83 3 68 226 6 4 1.14 PIT,NL
2009 32 32 19 4 0 2.38 238.1 193 81 63 2 67 192 3 0 1.09 PIT,NL
2010 32 32 19 6 0 2.40 240.1 207 75 64 3 46 228 4 3 1.05 PIT,NL
2011 33 33 25 1 0 1.91 258.2 215 65 55 1 32 227 5 3 0.95 PIT,NL CY YOUNG
Total 216 216 113 50 0 2.94 1581.0 1420 585 517 23 432 1344 23 12 1.17 [FONT]

That 20-win mark dodged Sean for two straight years but finally in '11 he made sure he got to 20 winning 25 and losing just 1.

Now looking at the '11 numbers, in real life, I think Wainwright would have won again. If you look, the only numbers Burnett was better in was wins and losses.

In case you're wondering, Wainwright is 30, Burnett 29.

eriqjaffe · 03-09-2005, 02:59 PM

In my solo league (using CBL 2.0 rosters), Mark Buehrle has won 3 of the last 4 Cy Young Awards (and the year he didn't win it, my #2 pitcher did), and 4 in his career.

Code:

Year G GS W L SV ERA IP HA R ER HR BB K CG SHO WHIP
2004 35 35 19 11 0 4.04 245.1 256 119 110 0 62 196 4 2 1.30
2005 36 36 25 6 0 3.08 263.1 255 99 90 0 66 193 4 3 1.22
2006 31 31 17 6 0 3.23 214.2 212 91 77 0 56 178 2 0 1.25
2007 35 35 14 12 0 4.05 246.2 253 129 111 0 87 185 1 0 1.38
2008 35 35 22 7 0 2.77 250.0 233 82 77 0 57 212 3 1 1.16
2009 36 36 15 8 0 3.78 257.0 284 115 108 0 79 178 3 2 1.41
2010 36 36 26 5 0 3.17 261.0 277 95 92 12 64 177 5 3 1.31 
2011 37 37 20 8 0 3.51 261.2 264 116 102 9 69 211 6 2 1.27 
2012 36 36 26 6 0 2.65 271.1 229 88 80 10 67 223 5 3 1.09
2013 37 37 22 6 0 2.12 284.0 217 74 67 11 66 231 10 4 1.00

Won Cy Young Award in 2005, going 25-6, 3.08 ERA...
Won Cy Young Award in 2010, going 26-5, 3.17 ERA...
Won Cy Young Award in 2012, going 26-6, 2.65 ERA...
Won Cy Young Award in 2013, going 22-6, 2.12 ERA...

Bobbuttons · 03-09-2005, 03:14 PM

Pedro Martinez, in my alternate baseball history league, has won 9 Cy Youngs and were it not for bone chips shortening his 2001 season, would have very likely won 9 in a row from 1998-2006. As it turned out, his consecutive Cy Young streak is merely 5 in a row (2002-2006).

Career Numbers:

Year Age Tm Lg W L Pct G GS CG SHO SV IP H ER HR BB SO ERA OAVG OOBP OSLG OOPS PWS
1993 21 TOR AL 17 7 .708 37 37 0 0 0 235.0 136 59 9 94 274 2.26 .170 .262 .265 .527 24.0
1994 22 TOR AL 10 8 .556 36 36 0 0 0 209.0 163 77 13 97 287 3.32 .211 .303 .309 .612 13.3
1995 23 TOR AL 14 8 .636 36 36 0 0 0 217.3 183 81 11 92 311 3.35 .229 .313 .343 .656 15.1
1996 24 TOR AL 17 7 .708 35 35 0 0 0 227.7 179 61 0 85 339 2.41 .215 .290 .280 .570 22.4
1997 25 TOR AL 6 6 .500 18 18 2 2 0 126.3 94 34 2 28 179 2.42 .205 .257 .282 .538 12.2
DET CL 8 1 .889 18 18 2 2 0 126.3 94 31 2 30 185 2.21 .205 .260 .282 .541 14.7
TOT 14 7 .667 36 36 4 4 0 252.7 188 65 4 58 364 2.32 .205 .258 .282 .540 26.8
1998 26 DET CL 22 4 .846 33 33 1 1 0 245.3 179 57 3 35 331 2.09 .199 .234 .275 .509 31.2 Cy Young
1999 27 MIA AL 17 7 .708 35 35 2 2 0 248.0 213 61 4 26 349 2.21 .227 .253 .313 .566 28.3 Cy Young
2000 28 MIA AL 17 4 .810 33 33 2 1 0 226.7 161 41 1 22 306 1.63 .197 .221 .275 .496 29.0 Cy Young
2001 29 MIA AL 5 1 .833 7 7 1 1 0 49.0 31 11 1 5 68 2.02 .176 .203 .278 .482 5.9
2002 30 MIA AL 21 4 .840 35 35 3 2 0 240.7 171 49 4 33 362 1.83 .193 .227 .266 .493 32.5 Cy Young
2003 31 MIA AL 22 0 1.000 36 36 4 4 0 255.0 171 42 2 32 356 1.48 .186 .220 .267 .486 34.1 Cy Young
2004 32 TOR AL 14 8 .636 36 36 4 3 0 244.0 175 63 10 22 385 2.32 .196 .226 .304 .530 24.0 Cy Young
2005 33 TOR AL 19 8 .704 36 36 4 3 0 266.0 170 59 5 36 386 2.00 .180 .217 .257 .474 29.8 Cy Young
2006 34 TOR AL 21 5 .808 34 34 1 1 0 237.3 203 75 12 40 354 2.84 .228 .261 .348 .609 22.7 Cy Young
2007 35 TOR AL 14 6 .700 26 26 2 1 0 177.0 127 44 8 36 253 2.24 .198 .244 .319 .563 18.5
2008 36 TOR AL 21 10 .677 36 36 1 0 0 241.3 181 77 23 40 289 2.87 .203 .240 .352 .593 21.1 Cy Young
16 Years Sim 265 94 .738 527 527 29 23 0 3572.0 2631 922 110 753 5014 2.32 .202 .250 .296 .546 378.7
Season Average 16 5 .762 32 32 1 1 0 223.2 164 57 6 47 313 2.32 .202 .250 .296 .546
Career Highs 22 10 1.000 37 37 4 4 0 266.0 213 81 23 97 386 3.35 .229 .313 .352 .656

Bobbuttons · 03-09-2005, 03:19 PM

Dizzy Dean holds the record for consecutive Cy Youngs in my league. He won 6 in a row from 1937-1942.

A writeup about Dean from a previous thread:

Dizzy Dean (1932-1950)

Dizzy Dean was a part of the very first rookie draft of the USBL. Drafted #5 overall by the Detroit Racers in 1932, he would be a fixture on the mound in the Motor City until the end of the 1938 season.

Dean would win 14 games his rookie year and had a league leading 2.87 ERA. He would improve to 15 wins in 1933, avoiding the dreaded sophomore slump leading to a 22 win season the next year. After a ho-hum year of 12 wins in 1935, folks started to wonder if he was burning out as he put up a lot of innings. He would respond in 1937 by beginning the greatest stretch by any pitcher ever in the history of the USBL.

Most pitchers would be happy to win 1 Cy Young Award. 2 would make them ecstatic. 6 in a row? Only Dizzy can lay claim to that feat. From 1937 to 1942, Dean would win 26, 27, 22, 28, 28 and 34 games (the latter a single season record that still stands). In case you thought that a good offense had to help him some, he led the league in ERA each of those years. He would win just 17 games in 1943 but in 1944 and 1945 he would win two more Cy Youngs, for a total of 8.

It was the postseason where Dean hit some road blocks. In 1937 he would win 2 games and take home his only World Series ring. His next four appearances in the World Series he would only go 2-5 with a combined career WS ERA of 5.06.

In 1948, after 17 years with Detroit, Dean would sign with the Minneapolis Millers where he go 11-15. He would end his career the next year at age 40 after a 10-16 season with the Cincinnati Pioneers. His 376 career wins are the most all-time, as are his 447 CG and 51 shutouts. His 3.02 ERA is 29th and he is 9th in losses with 216. He ranks 4th in starts with 684 and 10th with 3,249 strikeouts.

**Fun Fact**
Dizzy Dean and his brother Paul spent 5 seasons as teammates. In 1942 they would have a combined record of 57-19. Paul's 233 wins gave the brothers a combined career total of 609 wins. Paul's biggest problem was that he had 250 losses to go with his 233 wins.

CLancaster23 · 03-09-2005, 03:51 PM

What kinda league is it where you can go 14-8 and win a Cy Young????

2004 32 TOR AL 14 8 .636 36 36 4 3 0 244.0 175 63 10 22 385 2.32 .196 .226 .304 .530 24.0 Cy Young

jeheinz72 · 03-09-2005, 03:54 PM

One similar to where Randy Johnson can go 16-14 and finish 2nd

jeheinz72 · 03-09-2005, 03:55 PM

dola,
Pedro did have just over 2 in ERA and 385 K's to win that it looks like. Wow.

HolyCow98 · 03-09-2005, 04:45 PM

James Yim of the NPBL's Maryland Admirals has won it four years running so far.

Code:

Year  G GS W  L  SV ERA IP    HA   R ER HR BB  K  CG SHO WHIP Teams 
2003 14 11 2  7  0 4.35  68.1 61  35 33 0  22  67 0   0 1.21 Mry 
2004 35 35 15 12 0 2.40 236.1 142 72 63 0  55 280 1   0 0.83 Mry 
2005 36 36 20 8  0 2.03 243.2 140 61 55 0  32 282 2   1 0.71 Mry,FF 
2006 28 28 15 5  0 2.30 195.2 117 53 50 0  32 236 5   3 0.76 Mry,FF 
2007 38 38 30 4  0 1.24 304.0 169 47 42 0  39 375 11  6 0.68 Mry,FF 
2008 35 35 25 5  0 1.45 291.2 140 60 47 0  47 350 13  7 0.64 Mry,FF 
2009 36 36 26 5  0 1.57 297.2 179 60 52 0  40 309 13  5 0.74 Mry,FF 
2010 36 36 22 8  0 1.56 271.2 160 52 47 14 36 259 8   4 0.72 Mry,FF 
2011  9  9 6  0  0 0.88  71.2 31   7  7 2  10  66 2   1 0.57 Mry 
       G   GS  W  L  SV ERA    IP    HA   R   ER HR  BB  SO  CG SHO WHIP
Total 267 264 161 54 0  1.80 1980.2 1139 447 396 16 313 2224 55  27 0.73 

Won Johnson Award in 2007, going 30-4, 1.24 ERA...
Won Johnson Award in 2008, going 25-5, 1.45 ERA...
Won Johnson Award in 2009, going 26-5, 1.57 ERA...
Won Johnson Award in 2010, going 22-8, 1.56 ERA...

Back in OOTP 3..I had two pitchers on my team where one of them won the Cy Young 16 straight seasons. My ace had 9 my # 2 guy had 7. Don't believe either had a streak of more than 3 years in a row though.

crackpott · 03-09-2005, 06:12 PM

Halladay on my team in my online league is on a 3 year streak, pretty much guaranteed it again this year, and with no one ever coming close to him, barring serious injury he looks like he'll win it the next few years too. In 2005, he put up a great year, but came second to Zito in a close call
<TABLE border=1>
<TR><TD>Year</TD><TD>Record</TD><TD>ERA</TD><TD>IP</TD><TD>Strikeouts</TD><TD>CG</TD><TD>WHIP</TD></TR>
<TR><TD>2005</TD><TD>23-12</TD><TD>2.69</TD><TD>294.2</TD><TD>256</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>0.91</TD></TR>
<TR><TD>2006</TD><TD>29-6</TD><TD>2.65</TD><TD>336.1</TD><TD>280</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>0.86</TD></TR>
<TR><TD>2007</TD><TD>27-5</TD><TD>2.44</TD><TD>284.0</TD><TD>356</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>0.84</TD></TR>
<TR><TD>2008</TD><TD>25-2</TD><TD>2.03</TD><TD>284.0</TD><TD>347</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>0.77</TD></TR>
<TR><TD>2009 (to date)</TD><TD>10-0</TD><TD>2.64</TD><TD>122.2</TD><TD>162</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0.83</TD></TR>
<TR><TD>Averages of Cy Young seasons*</TD><TD>26-3</TD><TD>2.44</TD><TD>291.1</TD><TD>332</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>0.83</TD></TR>
</TABLE>

*Averages with 2009 projected to finish at current rate

Not too bad. Likely going to win 300 games, which is almost impossible in the modern era, especially when you only have 18 wins by the time you're 25.

DamnYankees · 03-09-2005, 06:23 PM

In my historical replay, Walter Johnson was the unquestionable man:

Code:

Year 	Age 	Tm 	Lg 	W 	L 	Pct 	G 	GS 	CG 	SHO 	SV 	IP 	H 	ER 	HR 	BB 	SO 	ERA 	OAVG 	OOBP 	OSLG 	OOPS 	PWS
1907 	19 	BOS 	AL 	21 	9 	.700 	43 	43 	6 	4 	0 	305.3 	238 	82 	0 	57 	193 	2.42 	.209 	.255 	.265 	.519 	20.2
1908 	20 	BOS 	AL 	17 	12 	.586 	41 	41 	2 	2 	0 	290.3 	220 	50 	2 	49 	190 	1.55 	.211 	.252 	.275 	.527 	20.6
1909 	21 	BOS 	AL 	17 	9 	.654 	36 	36 	2 	0 	0 	263.3 	215 	58 	0 	45 	152 	1.98 	.225 	.264 	.282 	.546 	21.9
1910 	22 	BOS 	AL 	27 	13 	.675 	43 	43 	18 	6 	0 	338.0 	253 	78 	0 	67 	205 	2.08 	.208 	.253 	.258 	.512 	26.1
1911 	23 	BOS 	AL 	24 	4 	.857 	42 	42 	5 	1 	0 	304.0 	241 	78 	3 	34 	238 	2.31 	.217 	.252 	.299 	.551 	25.8
1912 	24 	BOS 	AL 	31 	8 	.795 	42 	42 	35 	6 	0 	370.0 	294 	77 	2 	48 	295 	1.87 	.216 	.247 	.294 	.542 	33.8
1913 	25 	BOS 	AL 	34 	5 	.872 	42 	42 	36 	5 	0 	374.0 	252 	55 	2 	34 	301 	1.32 	.189 	.217 	.261 	.479 	44.5
1914 	26 	BOS 	AL 	34 	5 	.872 	42 	42 	36 	6 	0 	372.0 	229 	70 	3 	54 	353 	1.69 	.173 	.212 	.244 	.456 	40.3
1915 	27 	BOS 	AL 	33 	6 	.846 	42 	42 	35 	12 	0 	369.7 	223 	64 	1 	46 	336 	1.56 	.173 	.210 	.223 	.434 	42.5
1916 	28 	BOS 	AL 	27 	10 	.730 	42 	42 	34 	10 	0 	370.0 	253 	67 	3 	52 	360 	1.63 	.190 	.226 	.271 	.497 	42.5
1917 	29 	BOS 	AL 	33 	8 	.805 	42 	42 	37 	6 	0 	368.0 	245 	76 	0 	48 	301 	1.86 	.186 	.217 	.255 	.472 	41.4
1918 	30 	BOS 	AL 	18 	9 	.667 	34 	34 	24 	6 	0 	296.0 	208 	54 	3 	33 	338 	1.64 	.193 	.223 	.272 	.495 	30.5
1919 	31 	BOS 	AL 	27 	5 	.844 	37 	37 	28 	4 	0 	323.0 	229 	52 	0 	35 	266 	1.45 	.198 	.227 	.255 	.482 	37.8
1920 	32 	BOS 	AL 	29 	11 	.725 	42 	42 	35 	2 	0 	368.3 	337 	116 	12 	47 	237 	2.83 	.240 	.268 	.364 	.633 	39.9
1921 	33 	BOS 	AL 	26 	13 	.667 	41 	41 	35 	3 	0 	351.3 	331 	117 	3 	45 	201 	3.00 	.250 	.279 	.360 	.639 	37.9
1922 	34 	BOS 	AL 	33 	5 	.868 	41 	41 	31 	3 	0 	358.3 	314 	104 	0 	55 	244 	2.61 	.236 	.269 	.326 	.595 	42.9
1923 	35 	BOS 	AL 	29 	6 	.829 	41 	41 	32 	6 	0 	360.7 	298 	100 	4 	61 	238 	2.50 	.224 	.262 	.313 	.575 	39.7
1924 	36 	BOS 	AL 	23 	16 	.590 	41 	41 	34 	1 	0 	357.0 	353 	130 	5 	65 	258 	3.28 	.252 	.292 	.353 	.645 	30.6
1925 	37 	BOS 	AL 	32 	6 	.842 	41 	41 	35 	4 	0 	358.0 	290 	88 	7 	57 	200 	2.21 	.219 	.254 	.302 	.557 	45.0
1926 	38 	BOS 	AL 	25 	9 	.735 	41 	41 	28 	5 	0 	348.0 	300 	105 	9 	51 	171 	2.72 	.230 	.261 	.332 	.593 	33.3
1927 	39 	BOS 	AL 	27 	8 	.771 	39 	39 	33 	4 	0 	334.0 	276 	92 	4 	51 	177 	2.48 	.222 	.252 	.305 	.557 	37.8
1928 	40 	BOS 	AL 	17 	7 	.708 	29 	29 	20 	0 	0 	247.7 	249 	108 	26 	61 	132 	3.92 	.263 	.309 	.424 	.733 	18.9
1929 	41 	BOS 	AL 	11 	17 	.393 	31 	29 	6 	0 	0 	204.7 	269 	168 	50 	106 	64 	7.39 	.316 	.389 	.546 	.935 	0.0
23 Years Sim 	                595 	201 	.747 	915 	913 	587 	96 	0 	7631.6 	6117 	1989 	139 	1201 	5450 	2.35 	.218 	.254 	.305 	.559 	753.8

Ends his career with 11 Walter Johnson Awards, in the bolded years. He was better than Cy, so in the 1950s I renamed the award after him. And this league was very fair, I was meticulous with matching up League Totals. He was just that good.

He actually wasn't all that much worse in real life, but in this league, he pitched more often, since I owned the team, and I backed him up with a great offense, so his wins swelled tremendously.

IatricSB · 03-09-2005, 07:35 PM

Don Drysdale had six straight in an online league

http://www.legendsport.com/baseball/...ite/index.html

In the same league:

Ferguson Jenkins - 3 straight
Al Downing - 3 straight
Don Drysdale - 3 straight (a seperate streak than the 6 straight)
Earl Johnson - 4 straight
Joe Sullivan - 3 straight

There might be more, but the history doesn't show the first 30 years of Cy Young winners. All of those streaks from one league and an online league at that.

EDIT - Milt Wilcox had 3 straight in an online league also (Wild Things)

DamnYankees · 03-09-2005, 08:00 PM

Also, in TWB, I believe Andrew Murphy won 9 straight.

03-08-2005, 10:09 PM	#1
CLancaster23 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Uniontown, PA Posts: 73	4 consecutive Cy Young Awards!! Anyone seen a pitcher get 4 straight Cy Young awards?? Using Halofan's latest roster, Adam Wainwright has been almost unstoppable. He won the Cy Young in 2007/08/09/10! Finally, my stud Sean Burnett took the honors in 2011 witn a 25-1 record and a 1.91 ERA and although Wainwright had he better ERA (1.70), he went just 23-3 for St. Louis.... just? Wainwright's stats for the last 5 seasons: YR W L ERA IP BoB K's CG ShO WHiP 2007 22 8 1.94 251.0 55 253 6 2 0.98 STL,NL CY YOUNG 2008 24 5 2.01 286.2 36 266 10 5 0.88 STL,NL CY YOUNG 2009 21 4 2.33 220.1 15 189 8 4 0.89 STL,NL CY YOUNG 2010 26 6 1.91 282.2 16 277 10 3 0.83 STL,NL CY YOUNG 2011 23 3 1.70 260.0 26 246 13 8 0.89 STL,NL

03-08-2005, 11:26 PM	#3
Jonzard Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,647	Very good showing. Do you have the rest of his numbers? __________________ For a scientist must indeed be freely imaginative and yet skeptical, creative and yet a critic. There is a sense in which he must be free, but another in which his thought must be very precisely regimented; there is poetry in science, but also a lot of bookkeeping. — Sir Peter B. Medawar FTB

03-09-2005, 12:11 AM	#6
exoverge Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 38	John Isabelle of the NGBL just won his third AL Cy Young in four seasons. Getting better with age as he was 33, 35 & 36 years old when winning the awards. His Career Stats __________________ NGBL - (Webmaster & Co-Commish)

03-09-2005, 02:07 PM	#9
CLancaster23 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Uniontown, PA Posts: 73	Wainwright's career numbers: Year G GS W L SV ERA IP HA R ER HR BB K CG SHO WHIP Teams 2005 17 12 8 3 3 2.71 89.2 78 30 27 6 31 77 1 0 1.22 STL 2006 35 35 13 11 0 2.59 264.1 209 80 76 1 80 240 5 2 1.09 STL 2007 33 33 22 8 0 1.94 251.0 191 61 54 1 55 253 6 2 0.98 STL,NL CY YOUNG 2008 36 36 24 5 0 2.01 286.2 217 68 64 4 36 266 10 5 0.88 STL,NL CY YOUNG 2009 28 28 21 4 0 2.33 220.1 182 68 57 2 15 189 8 4 0.89 STL,NL CY YOUNG 2010 36 35 26 6 1 1.91 282.2 219 70 60 2 16 277 10 3 0.83 STL,NL CY YOUNG 2011 32 32 23 3 0 1.70 260.0 206 57 49 0 26 246 13 8 0.89 STL,NL Total 217 211 137 40 4 2.10 1654.2 1302 434 387 16 259 1548 53 24 0.94 Well I tried to do a chart but not sure how... Here's Burnett's stats. He's who beat Wainwright in '11 for the Cy Young. You'll see, he wasn't too far off from him either: [FONT=Fixedsys]Year G GS W L SV ERA IP HA R ER HR BB K CG SHO WHIP Teams 2004 13 13 5 5 0 5.02 71.2 86 41 40 0 28 30 1 1 1.59 PIT 2005 9 9 3 5 0 6.16 57.0 79 41 39 4 21 35 0 0 1.75 PIT 2006 33 33 11 15 0 3.84 246.0 249 115 105 7 81 203 2 1 1.34 PIT 2007 33 33 15 8 0 2.63 233.0 189 76 68 3 89 203 2 0 1.19 PIT 2008 31 31 16 6 0 3.17 236.0 202 91 83 3 68 226 6 4 1.14 PIT,NL 2009 32 32 19 4 0 2.38 238.1 193 81 63 2 67 192 3 0 1.09 PIT,NL 2010 32 32 19 6 0 2.40 240.1 207 75 64 3 46 228 4 3 1.05 PIT,NL 2011 33 33 25 1 0 1.91 258.2 215 65 55 1 32 227 5 3 0.95 PIT,NL CY YOUNG Total 216 216 113 50 0 2.94 1581.0 1420 585 517 23 432 1344 23 12 1.17 [FONT] That 20-win mark dodged Sean for two straight years but finally in '11 he made sure he got to 20 winning 25 and losing just 1. Now looking at the '11 numbers, in real life, I think Wainwright would have won again. If you look, the only numbers Burnett was better in was wins and losses. In case you're wondering, Wainwright is 30, Burnett 29. Last edited by CLancaster23; 03-09-2005 at 02:13 PM.

03-09-2005, 03:14 PM	#11
Bobbuttons Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Picturesque Mentor-on-the-Lake, Ohio Posts: 3,708	Pedro Martinez, in my alternate baseball history league, has won 9 Cy Youngs and were it not for bone chips shortening his 2001 season, would have very likely won 9 in a row from 1998-2006. As it turned out, his consecutive Cy Young streak is merely 5 in a row (2002-2006). Career Numbers: Year Age Tm Lg W L Pct G GS CG SHO SV IP H ER HR BB SO ERA OAVG OOBP OSLG OOPS PWS 1993 21 TOR AL 17 7 .708 37 37 0 0 0 235.0 136 59 9 94 274 2.26 .170 .262 .265 .527 24.0 1994 22 TOR AL 10 8 .556 36 36 0 0 0 209.0 163 77 13 97 287 3.32 .211 .303 .309 .612 13.3 1995 23 TOR AL 14 8 .636 36 36 0 0 0 217.3 183 81 11 92 311 3.35 .229 .313 .343 .656 15.1 1996 24 TOR AL 17 7 .708 35 35 0 0 0 227.7 179 61 0 85 339 2.41 .215 .290 .280 .570 22.4 1997 25 TOR AL 6 6 .500 18 18 2 2 0 126.3 94 34 2 28 179 2.42 .205 .257 .282 .538 12.2 DET CL 8 1 .889 18 18 2 2 0 126.3 94 31 2 30 185 2.21 .205 .260 .282 .541 14.7 TOT 14 7 .667 36 36 4 4 0 252.7 188 65 4 58 364 2.32 .205 .258 .282 .540 26.8 1998 26 DET CL 22 4 .846 33 33 1 1 0 245.3 179 57 3 35 331 2.09 .199 .234 .275 .509 31.2 Cy Young 1999 27 MIA AL 17 7 .708 35 35 2 2 0 248.0 213 61 4 26 349 2.21 .227 .253 .313 .566 28.3 Cy Young 2000 28 MIA AL 17 4 .810 33 33 2 1 0 226.7 161 41 1 22 306 1.63 .197 .221 .275 .496 29.0 Cy Young 2001 29 MIA AL 5 1 .833 7 7 1 1 0 49.0 31 11 1 5 68 2.02 .176 .203 .278 .482 5.9 2002 30 MIA AL 21 4 .840 35 35 3 2 0 240.7 171 49 4 33 362 1.83 .193 .227 .266 .493 32.5 Cy Young 2003 31 MIA AL 22 0 1.000 36 36 4 4 0 255.0 171 42 2 32 356 1.48 .186 .220 .267 .486 34.1 Cy Young 2004 32 TOR AL 14 8 .636 36 36 4 3 0 244.0 175 63 10 22 385 2.32 .196 .226 .304 .530 24.0 Cy Young 2005 33 TOR AL 19 8 .704 36 36 4 3 0 266.0 170 59 5 36 386 2.00 .180 .217 .257 .474 29.8 Cy Young 2006 34 TOR AL 21 5 .808 34 34 1 1 0 237.3 203 75 12 40 354 2.84 .228 .261 .348 .609 22.7 Cy Young 2007 35 TOR AL 14 6 .700 26 26 2 1 0 177.0 127 44 8 36 253 2.24 .198 .244 .319 .563 18.5 2008 36 TOR AL 21 10 .677 36 36 1 0 0 241.3 181 77 23 40 289 2.87 .203 .240 .352 .593 21.1 Cy Young 16 Years Sim 265 94 .738 527 527 29 23 0 3572.0 2631 922 110 753 5014 2.32 .202 .250 .296 .546 378.7 Season Average 16 5 .762 32 32 1 1 0 223.2 164 57 6 47 313 2.32 .202 .250 .296 .546 Career Highs 22 10 1.000 37 37 4 4 0 266.0 213 81 23 97 386 3.35 .229 .313 .352 .656 __________________ Frankenstein never scared me. Marsupials do....cause they're fast! Gibson swings, and a fly ball to deep right field! This is gonna be a home run! Unbelievable! A home run for Gibson! And the Dodgers have won the game, 5 to 4; I don't believe what I just saw! I don't believe what I just saw!

03-08-2005, 11:17 PM	#2
Kaline Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 321	Wow.....thos numbers are ridiculous....for any era...let alone modern.

03-08-2005, 11:54 PM	#5
rem Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: College Park, Md. Posts: 5,024	I had Barry Zito won nine in one my solo leagues once. __________________ OTBA: Washington Filibusters CLBR: Minnesota Twins 2005 Winner of LL's Pick the Loser Contest! - 15-0

03-09-2005, 09:44 AM	#8
Khan All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 827	Using CBL's 2.0 rosters, I've had Roy Halladay win 5 of 6 CY's in simmed seasons (it's really 6 of 7 counting the one in real life). The year he didn't win he still went 24-4, 2.75 ERA, 264.2 IP, 229 K, 1.10 WHIP.

03-09-2005, 03:19 PM	#12
Bobbuttons Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Picturesque Mentor-on-the-Lake, Ohio Posts: 3,708	Dizzy Dean holds the record for consecutive Cy Youngs in my league. He won 6 in a row from 1937-1942. A writeup about Dean from a previous thread: Dizzy Dean (1932-1950) Dizzy Dean was a part of the very first rookie draft of the USBL. Drafted #5 overall by the Detroit Racers in 1932, he would be a fixture on the mound in the Motor City until the end of the 1938 season. Dean would win 14 games his rookie year and had a league leading 2.87 ERA. He would improve to 15 wins in 1933, avoiding the dreaded sophomore slump leading to a 22 win season the next year. After a ho-hum year of 12 wins in 1935, folks started to wonder if he was burning out as he put up a lot of innings. He would respond in 1937 by beginning the greatest stretch by any pitcher ever in the history of the USBL. Most pitchers would be happy to win 1 Cy Young Award. 2 would make them ecstatic. 6 in a row? Only Dizzy can lay claim to that feat. From 1937 to 1942, Dean would win 26, 27, 22, 28, 28 and 34 games (the latter a single season record that still stands). In case you thought that a good offense had to help him some, he led the league in ERA each of those years. He would win just 17 games in 1943 but in 1944 and 1945 he would win two more Cy Youngs, for a total of 8. It was the postseason where Dean hit some road blocks. In 1937 he would win 2 games and take home his only World Series ring. His next four appearances in the World Series he would only go 2-5 with a combined career WS ERA of 5.06. In 1948, after 17 years with Detroit, Dean would sign with the Minneapolis Millers where he go 11-15. He would end his career the next year at age 40 after a 10-16 season with the Cincinnati Pioneers. His 376 career wins are the most all-time, as are his 447 CG and 51 shutouts. His 3.02 ERA is 29th and he is 9th in losses with 216. He ranks 4th in starts with 684 and 10th with 3,249 strikeouts. Fun Fact Dizzy Dean and his brother Paul spent 5 seasons as teammates. In 1942 they would have a combined record of 57-19. Paul's 233 wins gave the brothers a combined career total of 609 wins. Paul's biggest problem was that he had 250 losses to go with his 233 wins. __________________ Frankenstein never scared me. Marsupials do....cause they're fast! Gibson swings, and a fly ball to deep right field! This is gonna be a home run! Unbelievable! A home run for Gibson! And the Dodgers have won the game, 5 to 4; I don't believe what I just saw! I don't believe what I just saw!

03-09-2005, 03:51 PM	#13
CLancaster23 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Uniontown, PA Posts: 73	What kinda league is it where you can go 14-8 and win a Cy Young???? 2004 32 TOR AL 14 8 .636 36 36 4 3 0 244.0 175 63 10 22 385 2.32 .196 .226 .304 .530 24.0 Cy Young

03-09-2005, 03:54 PM	#14
jeheinz72 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Fresno, CA Posts: 2,164	One similar to where Randy Johnson can go 16-14 and finish 2nd __________________ Join The Dugout!

03-09-2005, 03:55 PM	#15
jeheinz72 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Fresno, CA Posts: 2,164	dola, Pedro did have just over 2 in ERA and 385 K's to win that it looks like. Wow. __________________ Join The Dugout!

03-09-2005, 06:12 PM	#17
crackpott Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,961	Halladay on my team in my online league is on a 3 year streak, pretty much guaranteed it again this year, and with no one ever coming close to him, barring serious injury he looks like he'll win it the next few years too. In 2005, he put up a great year, but came second to Zito in a close call <TABLE border=1> <TR><TD><b>Year</b></TD><TD><b>Record</b></TD><TD><b>ERA</b></TD><TD><b>IP</b></TD><TD><b>Strikeouts</b></TD><TD><b>CG</b></TD><TD><b>WHIP</b></TD></TR> <TR><TD>2005</TD><TD>23-12</TD><TD>2.69</TD><TD>294.2</TD><TD>256</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>0.91</TD></TR> <TR><TD>2006</TD><TD>29-6</TD><TD>2.65</TD><TD>336.1</TD><TD>280</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>0.86</TD></TR> <TR><TD>2007</TD><TD>27-5</TD><TD>2.44</TD><TD>284.0</TD><TD>356</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>0.84</TD></TR> <TR><TD>2008</TD><TD>25-2</TD><TD>2.03</TD><TD>284.0</TD><TD>347</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>0.77</TD></TR> <TR><TD>2009 (to date)</TD><TD>10-0</TD><TD>2.64</TD><TD>122.2</TD><TD>162</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0.83</TD></TR> <TR><TD>Averages of Cy Young seasons</TD><TD>26-3</TD><TD>2.44</TD><TD>291.1</TD><TD>332</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>0.83</TD></TR> </TABLE> Averages with 2009 projected to finish at current rate Not too bad. Likely going to win 300 games, which is almost impossible in the modern era, especially when you only have 18 wins by the time you're 25. __________________ Abandoned Planet - Check it out. The photos don't suck anymore.

03-09-2005, 07:35 PM	#19
IatricSB Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California Posts: 3,493	Don Drysdale had six straight in an online league http://www.legendsport.com/baseball/...ite/index.html In the same league: Ferguson Jenkins - 3 straight Al Downing - 3 straight Don Drysdale - 3 straight (a seperate streak than the 6 straight) Earl Johnson - 4 straight Joe Sullivan - 3 straight There might be more, but the history doesn't show the first 30 years of Cy Young winners. All of those streaks from one league and an online league at that. EDIT - Milt Wilcox had 3 straight in an online league also (Wild Things) __________________ Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body; but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!" Chicago(N) - Boys of Summer Oakland - 20th Century League Bakersfield - Wild Things Brooklyn - QBA Dodge City - NBSL California - ABC Dodger's Senioriest fan on the OOTP Boards Last edited by IatricSB; 03-09-2005 at 07:41 PM.

03-09-2005, 08:00 PM	#20
DamnYankees All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,644	Also, in TWB, I believe Andrew Murphy won 9 straight.