Franchise Stars Rosters Released

GForce · 02-11-2005, 12:05 PM

*Formerly called the All-time Roster Project*

You may download the rosters HERE

This project features 28 teams. 26 teams prior to the last 4 expansion squads have their greatest players ever. The last 4 expansion teams have been combined into 1 squad in Arizona. There is also a Washington Grays franchise, featuring many Negro League stars and some Japanese players as well. Placed in the AL East (easily the league’s toughest division), the race between Washington, the Red Sox and the Yankees (with the Indians, Tigers and Orioles within an arm’s reach) is very fun to watch.

Players are assigned ages based on when they played. Old-time players are older, leading to guys who started in the 20s-40s/50s being in their prime. Current players are included, but are young and need time to develop into their talents. This dynamic creates a situation where rosters need to be thought about and deal with up and comers. I’ve seen other projects resembling this one put every player at 18 or 20. To me, that defeats the purpose of a thorough roster, because some of the guys will ALWAYS be held behind another at the spot.

Players are rated to correlate to performance in "80's style" baseball. Frank "Home Run" Baker will not hit a max of 12 home runs in a season as he did in his career, but closer to 30-40 to reflect the difference in generation. These guys aren't just imported, but studied and rated accordingly to make a true universe rated on the same scale. Without doing that, a set like this just doesn't work, IMO.

This version completely overhauls the ratings to complement the OOTP 6 engine. The nature of the league being stars throughout, ratings look odd in some cases. I strongly suggest using this league with ratings off, just looking at stats to judge players. It’s more challenging, but it also won’t throw you off when ratings seem a bit out of whack in some cases. But I haven't done that as default. That's your call.

The league starts in 2004...the June draft features greats from the Negro Leagues and Japan not included on the Washington roster.

Take it for a test drive. Sim a year, or 10. See what you like, what you don’t, and make whatever adjustments you see fit to make it play how YOU want it to. And let me know what you do with it so I can look into it myself. That said, I REALLY like the way this all looks right now. Hopefully you do as well.

Still to come:
More players added (I already have a list going and ratings in the process of being calculated).
Uniform #s and other cosmetic details
Constant ratings work/adjustments (particularly on defensive ratings)
Compilation of photos from Tiger Fan's remarkable photo pack

Known issues:
Steals are too high
Ratings and league totals look odd. Although the end result is very good, I want to try and get these to look more reasonable to the eye.
Negro League/Japan players added for the 2004 draft need further adjustments and detail

Thanks for the interest, and the patience.

I hope you all enjoy this project as much as I'm enjoying putting it together.

Please keep feedback in this thread now. I changed the name because, frankly, the old name was way too broad. This is more to the point of what this set is.

Thanks!

GH

BigCity · 02-11-2005, 12:19 PM

Thanks GH !! I will add it to BCB tonight

woody5254 · 02-12-2005, 07:47 AM

Thanks GF, I will try it out ASAP. It looks like it was a ton of work thanks for your effort in this.

dougaiton · 02-12-2005, 08:32 AM

Great stuff, GF. Download has commenced!

GForce · 02-12-2005, 11:21 AM

Thanks guys. Feedback (good and bad) is not just encouraged, but needed. It's the only way this project will be completed as I want it.

Thanks again and enjoy!

GH

GForce · 02-12-2005, 06:23 PM

In order of addressing:

Adjusting ratings/league totals so the ratings look better. Right now, adjustments between them and league totals make ratings look somewhat bastardized. It's only appearances, but it drives me nuts, and if I had been more patient I would have worked better at messing with the league totals so they would complement the ratings, rather than messing with ratings. Already have this looking much better and should have this taken care of within a couple of days.

Fix ratings for Negro League/Japanese players on draft board: Very important and should start work on this tonight or tomorrow.

Fix steal ratings: This will take a few days, but I want to go through guys and check the steal ratings. Seems like there are too many guys stealing a ton of bases. And that just shouldn't be so.

Add players: I have already compiled hitting ratings for the next batch of hitters. I need to figure out fielding and misc. ratings for them, then do the pitchers, and I can get them in.

GH

GForce · 02-12-2005, 09:43 PM

Added position players in the next batch will include:

ANA: Chalk, Eckstein, Kennedy
BAL: Clift
CHC: Ryan
CIN: McPhee
CLE: Turner, Jamieson
DET: Crawford
HOU: Bell, Garner, Howe
KC: Randa, Beltran, Eisenreich, Mayne, Stillwell
LA: Karros, Yeager, Roseboro
MIN: Milan, Bluege, Myer, Yost, Lewis
MIL: Loretta, May, Deer, Hamilton, Briggs
NYY: Pipp, Richardson, Posada
MON: Grudzialanek, Barrett
OAK: Harry Davis, Suder, Bing Miller
NYM: Ordonez, Garrett, Flynn
SEA: T. Martinez, David Bell, R. Davis, Stein
TEX: Young, Casanova, Randle
TOR: Gonzalez, Sprague, Lee, Howell, Hinske, Bonnell, Bosetti
SD: F. Kendall, Derrel Thomas
SF: Tiernan, Lockman

Still compiling the pitchers list.

GH

GForce · 02-12-2005, 10:39 PM

Added pitchers to come (Part 1):

* Note this is significantly more than the hitters. In many cases, particularly for more recent teams, this gets prominent relievers into the game. For older teams, there are some excellent pitchers overlooked when I polled guys for all-time rosters, and when I researched on my own. I'll post the additions for the remaining teams tomorrow.

These selections were based on either 5 games appeared in per years the franchise has been in existence (for example, the Mets have 43 years, so if a pitcher appeared in more than 215 games for the Mets, he's in unless claimed by another team) or top 25 in team's ERA+. A few listed here may already be in. I'll double check that before completing the additions.

Some good (and not so good) names make the cut. Enjoy!

ANA: Levine, Hassler, Holtz, Washburn, Brunet, McBride, Lackey, R. Ortiz, Newman
ATL: Dineen, B. James, V. Willis, T. Lewis, Millwood, T. Hughes, J. Whitney, N. Andrews, J. Stivetts, L. Fette, T. Bond, T. Zachary
BAL: B. O'Dell, Garver, H. Howell, Nels Potter, Ivy Andrews, John Niggeling, Carl Weiman, Lefty Stewart, Ben McDonald, Jim Hardin, Storm Davis
BOS: Leo Kiely, Jack Quinn, Ray Collins, Roger Moret
CHC: Jack Pfiester, Al Spalding, Jake Weimer, Carlos Zambrano, Clark Griffith, Larry Corcoran, Phil Douglas, Mark Baldwin, Claude Passeau, Jack Taylor, Lefty Tyler, Hank Wyse
CIN: Joe Beggs, Dutch Ruether, Will White, Billy Rhines, Fred Toney, Jesse Duryea, Frank Dwyer, Ewell Blackwell, Andy Coakley, Elmer Smith, Tony Mullane
CHW: Gerry Staley, Mark Buehrle, Reb Russell, Joe Benz, Joe Haynes
CLE: Sonny Siebert, Ray Narleski, Tom Candiotti, Don Mossi, Glen Liebhardt, Bill Bernhard
DET: Bobo Newsom, Ed Siever, Al Benton, Dave Rozema, Justin Thompson, Hank Aguirre, Schoolboy Rowe, Herman Pillette, Fred Hutchinson, Ed Summers
HOU: Dotel, Jim Ray, Xavier Hernandez, Juan Agosto, Fred Gladding, OSwalt, Wade Miller, Mark Portugal, Pete Harnisch, Denny LeMaster, Darryl Kile, Ken Johnson, Chris Holt
KC: Jason Grimsley, Marty Pattin, Rusty Meacham, Scott Service, Billy Brewer
LA: Whitt Wyatt, Jeff Pfeffer, Preacher Roe, Vic Lombardi, Nap Rucker, Tim Belcher, Watty Clark, Bob Caruthers, Jay Hughes, Ismael Valdez, Freddie Fitzsimmons
MIL: Jerry Augustine, Luis Vizcaino, Eduardo Rodriguez, Dave Weathers, Mike DeJean, Ray King, Bill Travers, Graeme Lloyd, Ben Sheets, Scott KArl, Larry Sorensen, Bill Parsons
MIN: Johan Santana, Garland Braxton, George Mogridge, Jack Kralick, Bob Porterfield, Lloyd Brown, Pete Appleton, Connie Marrero, Alvin Crowder
MON: Anthony Telford, Steve Kline, Andy McGaffigan, Dan Schatzeder, Dale Murray, Javier Vazquez, Scott Stewart, Ken Hill, Tomo Ohka, David Palmer, Chris Nabholz, Mike Torrez
NYM: Jeff Innis, Doug Sisk, Dennis Cook, Neil Allen, Ray Sadecki, Steve Trachsel, Gary Gentry, Jim McAndrew, Dave Mlicki, Ed Lynch, Bobby Jones

GH

GForce · 02-13-2005, 06:10 PM

Pitchers to come: Part 2

NYY: Tiny Bonham, Russ Ford, Hank Borowy, Marius Russo, Joe Bush, Monte Pearson, Orlando Hernandez
OAK: Eddie Rommel, Jack Quinn, Scott Perry, Dolly Gray, Howard Ehmke, Steve Ontiveros, Jesse Flores, Bobby Shantz, Andy Coakley, Harry Krause, Johnny Marcum, Jim Nash
PHI: Curt Davis, Ben Sanders, Charlie Buffinton, Dan Casey, John Denny, Lew Richie, Tom Seaton, Ed Daily
PIT: Carmen Hill, Cy Blanton, Lefty Leifield, Claude Hendrix, Lee Meadows, Larry French, Ed Morris, Red Ehret, Pink Hawley, Zane Smith, Nelson Briles, Johnny Morrison
STL: Silver King, Jack Stivetts, Elton Chamberlain, Dave Foutz, Max Lanier, Harry Gumbert, Jumbo McGinnis, Nat Hudson
SD: Bob Shirley, Luis DeLeon, Dave Roberts, Brian Lawrence, Bob Owchinko, Dave Friselben, Tim Lollar
SF: Tim Keefe, Bill Walker, Red Ames, Fred Toney, Jeff Tesreau, Jesse Barnes, Larry Benton, Larry Jansen
SEA: Matt Young, Glenn Abbott, Dennis Powell, Jerry Reed, Russ Swan
TEX: Jim Hannan, Francisco Cordero, Matt Whiteside, Tim Crabtree, Bob Humphries, Mike Venafro, Bernie Daniels, Horacio Pina, Dale Mohorcic
TOR: Todd Stottlemyre, Jerry Garvin, Roy Lee Jackson, Luis Leal, Woody Williams

GH

GForce · 02-13-2005, 06:58 PM

I believe I have the league totals/ratings adjusted correctly. One big mistake I've been making in this regard is trying to get them to mirror 80s stats but not allowing for the fact that younger teams, by virtue of how I'm doing this, are less advanced, which means they will bring the totals down offensively and league ERAs higher. I haven't been factoring that in and I should have. So the ratings look much more representative now.

I have conducted ratings conversions for Japanese hitters, but they are not entered yet. Initial defensive and general ratings are going to go by defensive awards and comments from Jim Albright, the best of the Japanese baseball researchers that I know of. He's been kind enough to trade e-mails with me in the past and hopefully I can pick his brain a bit again as I proceed with this. The draftees will likely be an ongoing revision process based on the more information I receive. I will do my best to make it as accurate as possible with what I know at the time, obviously.

I'm going to read up on this board more regarding the impact on steal ratings and try to get that taken care of quickly. I don't imaging it being too hard. In fact, I'm not really sure my numbers are as off as I initially thought, so I'll look at this more as well.

Not sure how I will handle subsequent versions/revisions as far as releases go. But the V3 release will be the one when all the players I've posted in the last few posts are added. There will be a V2.1, likely a 2.2, somewhere in between.

Anything you've all seen, questions, comments, etc., fire away.

GH

GForce · 02-14-2005, 06:13 PM

After further review, a more specific plan.

v2.1: Will adjust league totals and ratings so the ratings look more legitimate and less confusing. This is near completion. Basically, a very small, somewhat cosmetic update.

v2.2: This will adjust potentials for Negro League pitchers and Japanese players on the draft list. Negro League position players on the draft list should already be in good shape, but they will be gone over as well.

v2.3: Speed and defense ratings need to be gone over in detail. The more I look at it, the more I realize the conversion from OOTP5 really messed with some of these. So I will be going over them for everyone and adjusting what needs to be adjusted. With the DIPS method, the fielding ratings are very important, and right now they are somewhat skewed, as are the speed/steal ratings.

Then likely a bit of a pause until V3, which will add the players I've posted in the recent days.

v2.1 should be out by Thursday.

GH

asaintsfan · 02-14-2005, 09:20 PM

Thanks again for the great rosters - I played with your original set when it was released and enjoyed that.

QuestGAV · 02-15-2005, 01:44 PM

Fantastic work, I'm going to have alot of fun with these. The lone problem I've noted so far is that a handful of guys came in with some career stats that gives them a jump on the competition career-leaders wise. Most of them are fairly old and unlikely to add much to what they have, but Groh, Tinker, and Duffy in particular will distort the hitting career leaderboards for the first few seasons.

This is also far from devastating but when you zipped the files you retained your directory structure. If you unzip with subfolder info you get the readme put into a documents and settings folder with your name on it.

I'm toying with the idea of doing a fantasy draft with the rosters and making a dynasty out of it. I'd go with my Red Sox but I don't think it'd be much of a challenge to run roughshod over the league for the forseeable future.

Edit: on 2nd glance, it looks like the guys who haven't had their stats reset are those that have retired.

GForce · 02-17-2005, 11:03 AM

Version 2.1 of the Franchise Stars Rosters are now available HERE

New in v2.1
-- Ratings adjustments and league totals adjustments to make ratings look more representative. As it was, League Totals and player ratings looked out of whack although the results were good. This is really somewhat of a cosmetic change.
-- Some added player ratings adjustments due to over/underrating

NOTE: Please delete Retired.dat from your directory if you have previously downloaded this set. It includes career stats for some players that show up in career leaders. Get rid of it and that problem is solved.

Enjoy!

GH

The Professor · 02-17-2005, 12:05 PM

Outstanding stuff! Can't wait to take a look at these...

QuestGAV · 02-18-2005, 02:50 AM

These rosters are alot of fun and it's obvious alot of hard work went into them. They could be subtitled: "Historical Replay for the Terminally Impatient".

BESTDJINFL · 02-18-2005, 06:56 AM

Once again I would like to thank you for all your hard work..Great Set!!

GForce · 02-18-2005, 05:23 PM

Japanese position player talents have been entered. Japanese pitchers just need touchups, as I had already entered them in fairly accurately off the stats I had. I have limited data, obviously, but for the hitters I was able to take career stats, convert them into 550 AB numbers and work their potentials off of that. If anything, they are probably a little overrated, but I didn't adjust start ratings, which means they will be drafted with low initial ratings and have the chance to reach that potential, but certainly a lot could happen between draft and reaching that potential.

Negro Leaguers for the draft are in process now.

Expect v2.2 sometime Wednesday or Thursday.

GH

GForce · 02-18-2005, 08:06 PM

It will be done gradually over subsequent versions, but I am also adding real uniform numbers for the players. Totally cosmetic, but good to have. Irks me seeing the play by play say "Number 97, Tom Seaver."

GH

GForce · 02-20-2005, 09:15 PM

This week's revision will include the adjustments to the Japanese and Negro League players and will definitely include the corrected uniform #s as well. All I have left is the NL West, and I'll probably get that done tomorrow. The ratings are improved as well, particularly for the Japanese hitters and Negro League pitchers. Their counterparts needed few revisions and were in much better shape.

GH

02-11-2005, 12:05 PM	#1
GForce Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,458 Infractions: 0/2 (2)	Franchise Stars Rosters V2.2 Released Formerly called the All-time Roster Project You may download the rosters HERE This project features 28 teams. 26 teams prior to the last 4 expansion squads have their greatest players ever. The last 4 expansion teams have been combined into 1 squad in Arizona. There is also a Washington Grays franchise, featuring many Negro League stars and some Japanese players as well. Placed in the AL East (easily the league’s toughest division), the race between Washington, the Red Sox and the Yankees (with the Indians, Tigers and Orioles within an arm’s reach) is very fun to watch. Players are assigned ages based on when they played. Old-time players are older, leading to guys who started in the 20s-40s/50s being in their prime. Current players are included, but are young and need time to develop into their talents. This dynamic creates a situation where rosters need to be thought about and deal with up and comers. I’ve seen other projects resembling this one put every player at 18 or 20. To me, that defeats the purpose of a thorough roster, because some of the guys will ALWAYS be held behind another at the spot. Players are rated to correlate to performance in "80's style" baseball. Frank "Home Run" Baker will not hit a max of 12 home runs in a season as he did in his career, but closer to 30-40 to reflect the difference in generation. These guys aren't just imported, but studied and rated accordingly to make a true universe rated on the same scale. Without doing that, a set like this just doesn't work, IMO. This version completely overhauls the ratings to complement the OOTP 6 engine. The nature of the league being stars throughout, ratings look odd in some cases. I strongly suggest using this league with ratings off, just looking at stats to judge players. It’s more challenging, but it also won’t throw you off when ratings seem a bit out of whack in some cases. But I haven't done that as default. That's your call. The league starts in 2004...the June draft features greats from the Negro Leagues and Japan not included on the Washington roster. Take it for a test drive. Sim a year, or 10. See what you like, what you don’t, and make whatever adjustments you see fit to make it play how YOU want it to. And let me know what you do with it so I can look into it myself. That said, I REALLY like the way this all looks right now. Hopefully you do as well. Still to come: More players added (I already have a list going and ratings in the process of being calculated). Uniform #s and other cosmetic details Constant ratings work/adjustments (particularly on defensive ratings) Compilation of photos from Tiger Fan's remarkable photo pack Known issues: Steals are too high Ratings and league totals look odd. Although the end result is very good, I want to try and get these to look more reasonable to the eye. Negro League/Japan players added for the 2004 draft need further adjustments and detail Thanks for the interest, and the patience. I hope you all enjoy this project as much as I'm enjoying putting it together. Please keep feedback in this thread now. I changed the name because, frankly, the old name was way too broad. This is more to the point of what this set is. Thanks! GH Last edited by GForce; 03-06-2005 at 10:25 PM. Reason: New Version

02-12-2005, 07:47 AM	#3
woody5254 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hector, NY Posts: 6,130	Thanks GF, I will try it out ASAP. It looks like it was a ton of work thanks for your effort in this. __________________ Check out: You Pick Tourney Version 2.0 Standings Thread You Pick The Teams Tourney: Main Thread The Colossal 20th Century Tourney:Main Thread Chicago White Sox(Original Owner:2001-) Baseball Maelstrom -2001,2011,2013 World Series Champions -2002,2010 Maelstrom Tourney Champs Arizona Diamondbacks(2003-) NAHHBL Indianapolis Racers(Expansion Team:1993-)ABC Last edited by woody5254; 02-12-2005 at 11:00 AM.

02-12-2005, 08:32 AM	#4
dougaiton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Location: Posts: 3,414	Great stuff, GF. Download has commenced! __________________ tThis shower of clowns My park-adjusted, historically split Born in '69 league file! (also at Joe's wonderful site +BBSC)

02-14-2005, 09:20 PM	#12
asaintsfan All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: New Orleans LA Posts: 558	Thanks again for the great rosters - I played with your original set when it was released and enjoyed that. __________________

02-15-2005, 01:44 PM	#13
QuestGAV Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 2,010	Fantastic work, I'm going to have alot of fun with these. The lone problem I've noted so far is that a handful of guys came in with some career stats that gives them a jump on the competition career-leaders wise. Most of them are fairly old and unlikely to add much to what they have, but Groh, Tinker, and Duffy in particular will distort the hitting career leaderboards for the first few seasons. This is also far from devastating but when you zipped the files you retained your directory structure. If you unzip with subfolder info you get the readme put into a documents and settings folder with your name on it. I'm toying with the idea of doing a fantasy draft with the rosters and making a dynasty out of it. I'd go with my Red Sox but I don't think it'd be much of a challenge to run roughshod over the league for the forseeable future. Edit: on 2nd glance, it looks like the guys who haven't had their stats reset are those that have retired. Last edited by QuestGAV; 02-15-2005 at 02:20 PM.

02-11-2005, 12:19 PM	#2
BigCity All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: South Shore, Great Lakes Posts: 1,386	Thanks GH !! I will add it to BCB tonight

02-12-2005, 11:21 AM	#5
GForce Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,458 Infractions: 0/2 (2)	Thanks guys. Feedback (good and bad) is not just encouraged, but needed. It's the only way this project will be completed as I want it. Thanks again and enjoy! GH

02-12-2005, 06:23 PM	#6
GForce Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,458 Infractions: 0/2 (2)	In order of addressing: Adjusting ratings/league totals so the ratings look better. Right now, adjustments between them and league totals make ratings look somewhat bastardized. It's only appearances, but it drives me nuts, and if I had been more patient I would have worked better at messing with the league totals so they would complement the ratings, rather than messing with ratings. Already have this looking much better and should have this taken care of within a couple of days. Fix ratings for Negro League/Japanese players on draft board: Very important and should start work on this tonight or tomorrow. Fix steal ratings: This will take a few days, but I want to go through guys and check the steal ratings. Seems like there are too many guys stealing a ton of bases. And that just shouldn't be so. Add players: I have already compiled hitting ratings for the next batch of hitters. I need to figure out fielding and misc. ratings for them, then do the pitchers, and I can get them in. GH

02-12-2005, 09:43 PM	#7
GForce Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,458 Infractions: 0/2 (2)	Added position players in the next batch will include: ANA: Chalk, Eckstein, Kennedy BAL: Clift CHC: Ryan CIN: McPhee CLE: Turner, Jamieson DET: Crawford HOU: Bell, Garner, Howe KC: Randa, Beltran, Eisenreich, Mayne, Stillwell LA: Karros, Yeager, Roseboro MIN: Milan, Bluege, Myer, Yost, Lewis MIL: Loretta, May, Deer, Hamilton, Briggs NYY: Pipp, Richardson, Posada MON: Grudzialanek, Barrett OAK: Harry Davis, Suder, Bing Miller NYM: Ordonez, Garrett, Flynn SEA: T. Martinez, David Bell, R. Davis, Stein TEX: Young, Casanova, Randle TOR: Gonzalez, Sprague, Lee, Howell, Hinske, Bonnell, Bosetti SD: F. Kendall, Derrel Thomas SF: Tiernan, Lockman Still compiling the pitchers list. GH

02-12-2005, 10:39 PM	#8
GForce Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,458 Infractions: 0/2 (2)	Added pitchers to come (Part 1): * Note this is significantly more than the hitters. In many cases, particularly for more recent teams, this gets prominent relievers into the game. For older teams, there are some excellent pitchers overlooked when I polled guys for all-time rosters, and when I researched on my own. I'll post the additions for the remaining teams tomorrow. These selections were based on either 5 games appeared in per years the franchise has been in existence (for example, the Mets have 43 years, so if a pitcher appeared in more than 215 games for the Mets, he's in unless claimed by another team) or top 25 in team's ERA+. A few listed here may already be in. I'll double check that before completing the additions. Some good (and not so good) names make the cut. Enjoy! ANA: Levine, Hassler, Holtz, Washburn, Brunet, McBride, Lackey, R. Ortiz, Newman ATL: Dineen, B. James, V. Willis, T. Lewis, Millwood, T. Hughes, J. Whitney, N. Andrews, J. Stivetts, L. Fette, T. Bond, T. Zachary BAL: B. O'Dell, Garver, H. Howell, Nels Potter, Ivy Andrews, John Niggeling, Carl Weiman, Lefty Stewart, Ben McDonald, Jim Hardin, Storm Davis BOS: Leo Kiely, Jack Quinn, Ray Collins, Roger Moret CHC: Jack Pfiester, Al Spalding, Jake Weimer, Carlos Zambrano, Clark Griffith, Larry Corcoran, Phil Douglas, Mark Baldwin, Claude Passeau, Jack Taylor, Lefty Tyler, Hank Wyse CIN: Joe Beggs, Dutch Ruether, Will White, Billy Rhines, Fred Toney, Jesse Duryea, Frank Dwyer, Ewell Blackwell, Andy Coakley, Elmer Smith, Tony Mullane CHW: Gerry Staley, Mark Buehrle, Reb Russell, Joe Benz, Joe Haynes CLE: Sonny Siebert, Ray Narleski, Tom Candiotti, Don Mossi, Glen Liebhardt, Bill Bernhard DET: Bobo Newsom, Ed Siever, Al Benton, Dave Rozema, Justin Thompson, Hank Aguirre, Schoolboy Rowe, Herman Pillette, Fred Hutchinson, Ed Summers HOU: Dotel, Jim Ray, Xavier Hernandez, Juan Agosto, Fred Gladding, OSwalt, Wade Miller, Mark Portugal, Pete Harnisch, Denny LeMaster, Darryl Kile, Ken Johnson, Chris Holt KC: Jason Grimsley, Marty Pattin, Rusty Meacham, Scott Service, Billy Brewer LA: Whitt Wyatt, Jeff Pfeffer, Preacher Roe, Vic Lombardi, Nap Rucker, Tim Belcher, Watty Clark, Bob Caruthers, Jay Hughes, Ismael Valdez, Freddie Fitzsimmons MIL: Jerry Augustine, Luis Vizcaino, Eduardo Rodriguez, Dave Weathers, Mike DeJean, Ray King, Bill Travers, Graeme Lloyd, Ben Sheets, Scott KArl, Larry Sorensen, Bill Parsons MIN: Johan Santana, Garland Braxton, George Mogridge, Jack Kralick, Bob Porterfield, Lloyd Brown, Pete Appleton, Connie Marrero, Alvin Crowder MON: Anthony Telford, Steve Kline, Andy McGaffigan, Dan Schatzeder, Dale Murray, Javier Vazquez, Scott Stewart, Ken Hill, Tomo Ohka, David Palmer, Chris Nabholz, Mike Torrez NYM: Jeff Innis, Doug Sisk, Dennis Cook, Neil Allen, Ray Sadecki, Steve Trachsel, Gary Gentry, Jim McAndrew, Dave Mlicki, Ed Lynch, Bobby Jones GH

02-13-2005, 06:10 PM	#9
GForce Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,458 Infractions: 0/2 (2)	Pitchers to come: Part 2 NYY: Tiny Bonham, Russ Ford, Hank Borowy, Marius Russo, Joe Bush, Monte Pearson, Orlando Hernandez OAK: Eddie Rommel, Jack Quinn, Scott Perry, Dolly Gray, Howard Ehmke, Steve Ontiveros, Jesse Flores, Bobby Shantz, Andy Coakley, Harry Krause, Johnny Marcum, Jim Nash PHI: Curt Davis, Ben Sanders, Charlie Buffinton, Dan Casey, John Denny, Lew Richie, Tom Seaton, Ed Daily PIT: Carmen Hill, Cy Blanton, Lefty Leifield, Claude Hendrix, Lee Meadows, Larry French, Ed Morris, Red Ehret, Pink Hawley, Zane Smith, Nelson Briles, Johnny Morrison STL: Silver King, Jack Stivetts, Elton Chamberlain, Dave Foutz, Max Lanier, Harry Gumbert, Jumbo McGinnis, Nat Hudson SD: Bob Shirley, Luis DeLeon, Dave Roberts, Brian Lawrence, Bob Owchinko, Dave Friselben, Tim Lollar SF: Tim Keefe, Bill Walker, Red Ames, Fred Toney, Jeff Tesreau, Jesse Barnes, Larry Benton, Larry Jansen SEA: Matt Young, Glenn Abbott, Dennis Powell, Jerry Reed, Russ Swan TEX: Jim Hannan, Francisco Cordero, Matt Whiteside, Tim Crabtree, Bob Humphries, Mike Venafro, Bernie Daniels, Horacio Pina, Dale Mohorcic TOR: Todd Stottlemyre, Jerry Garvin, Roy Lee Jackson, Luis Leal, Woody Williams GH

02-13-2005, 06:58 PM	#10
GForce Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,458 Infractions: 0/2 (2)	I believe I have the league totals/ratings adjusted correctly. One big mistake I've been making in this regard is trying to get them to mirror 80s stats but not allowing for the fact that younger teams, by virtue of how I'm doing this, are less advanced, which means they will bring the totals down offensively and league ERAs higher. I haven't been factoring that in and I should have. So the ratings look much more representative now. I have conducted ratings conversions for Japanese hitters, but they are not entered yet. Initial defensive and general ratings are going to go by defensive awards and comments from Jim Albright, the best of the Japanese baseball researchers that I know of. He's been kind enough to trade e-mails with me in the past and hopefully I can pick his brain a bit again as I proceed with this. The draftees will likely be an ongoing revision process based on the more information I receive. I will do my best to make it as accurate as possible with what I know at the time, obviously. I'm going to read up on this board more regarding the impact on steal ratings and try to get that taken care of quickly. I don't imaging it being too hard. In fact, I'm not really sure my numbers are as off as I initially thought, so I'll look at this more as well. Not sure how I will handle subsequent versions/revisions as far as releases go. But the V3 release will be the one when all the players I've posted in the last few posts are added. There will be a V2.1, likely a 2.2, somewhere in between. Anything you've all seen, questions, comments, etc., fire away. GH

02-14-2005, 06:13 PM	#11
GForce Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,458 Infractions: 0/2 (2)	After further review, a more specific plan. v2.1: Will adjust league totals and ratings so the ratings look more legitimate and less confusing. This is near completion. Basically, a very small, somewhat cosmetic update. v2.2: This will adjust potentials for Negro League pitchers and Japanese players on the draft list. Negro League position players on the draft list should already be in good shape, but they will be gone over as well. v2.3: Speed and defense ratings need to be gone over in detail. The more I look at it, the more I realize the conversion from OOTP5 really messed with some of these. So I will be going over them for everyone and adjusting what needs to be adjusted. With the DIPS method, the fielding ratings are very important, and right now they are somewhat skewed, as are the speed/steal ratings. Then likely a bit of a pause until V3, which will add the players I've posted in the recent days. v2.1 should be out by Thursday. GH

02-17-2005, 11:03 AM	#14
GForce Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,458 Infractions: 0/2 (2)	Version 2.1 of the Franchise Stars Rosters are now available HERE New in v2.1 -- Ratings adjustments and league totals adjustments to make ratings look more representative. As it was, League Totals and player ratings looked out of whack although the results were good. This is really somewhat of a cosmetic change. -- Some added player ratings adjustments due to over/underrating NOTE: Please delete Retired.dat from your directory if you have previously downloaded this set. It includes career stats for some players that show up in career leaders. Get rid of it and that problem is solved. Enjoy! GH

02-17-2005, 12:05 PM	#15
The Professor Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: East of East Posts: 3,020	Outstanding stuff! Can't wait to take a look at these... __________________ History isn't really about the past - settling old scores. It's about defining the present and who we are."

02-18-2005, 02:50 AM	#16
QuestGAV Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 2,010	These rosters are alot of fun and it's obvious alot of hard work went into them. They could be subtitled: "Historical Replay for the Terminally Impatient".

02-18-2005, 06:56 AM	#17
BESTDJINFL Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 307	Once again I would like to thank you for all your hard work..Great Set!! __________________ The New BARSL Commish

02-18-2005, 05:23 PM	#18
GForce Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,458 Infractions: 0/2 (2)	Japanese position player talents have been entered. Japanese pitchers just need touchups, as I had already entered them in fairly accurately off the stats I had. I have limited data, obviously, but for the hitters I was able to take career stats, convert them into 550 AB numbers and work their potentials off of that. If anything, they are probably a little overrated, but I didn't adjust start ratings, which means they will be drafted with low initial ratings and have the chance to reach that potential, but certainly a lot could happen between draft and reaching that potential. Negro Leaguers for the draft are in process now. Expect v2.2 sometime Wednesday or Thursday. GH

02-18-2005, 08:06 PM	#19
GForce Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,458 Infractions: 0/2 (2)	It will be done gradually over subsequent versions, but I am also adding real uniform numbers for the players. Totally cosmetic, but good to have. Irks me seeing the play by play say "Number 97, Tom Seaver." GH

02-20-2005, 09:15 PM	#20
GForce Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,458 Infractions: 0/2 (2)	This week's revision will include the adjustments to the Japanese and Negro League players and will definitely include the corrected uniform #s as well. All I have left is the NL West, and I'll probably get that done tomorrow. The ratings are improved as well, particularly for the Japanese hitters and Negro League pitchers. Their counterparts needed few revisions and were in much better shape. GH