God I hate Arbitration

mrbill · 02-07-2005, 02:10 PM

I just posted about wonderful MR arbitration logic, now a great one for my 2B. H e dropped talent in 3 categories, went from hitting .278/.778 OPS to .236/.646 OPS, and so I expected his 3.6 mil arbitration award to go down. His estimate last year and after arbitration this year was 670,000... so you'd think he'd get somewhere around that in arbitration.

But no, he gets 3.6 million again. The game apparently doesn't believe in pay cuts for players who lose their ability. On further review, this happens to most any player who signs a real contract then still has arbitration years left after it (their pay stays the same), but the fact that it happens for players on arbitration the whole time is more disturbing. Isn't this what arbitration is for, to adjust a player's salary to their ability? If I wanted a long term contract, I'd sign one.

Does OOTP 6 need more beta testers?

UngratefulDead · 02-07-2005, 02:18 PM

Dude, your middle reliever had a .770 OPS?!

mrbill · 02-07-2005, 02:22 PM

Haha, no, my 2B

Crapshoot · 02-07-2005, 02:49 PM

Firstly, his talent level is irrelvant- or should be. Secondly, you forget to account for the fact that's he's older, and can now compare to older players - thus raising his likely award. Thirdly, Arbitration limits pay cuts to 20%.

mrbill · 02-07-2005, 03:12 PM

Well, his stats are awful, he only plays because my team is awful too. He's one year older, which I don't think matters very much, he only rates as 2 stars as a 2B and that's probably generous. And, he got no pay cut at all, 20% would be nice.

Ktulu · 02-07-2005, 03:22 PM

I don't think there are pay cuts in ootp's arbitration system.

mrbill · 02-07-2005, 03:28 PM

*bug*

Count it.

disposableheros · 02-07-2005, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ktulu

I don't think there are pay cuts in ootp's arbitration system.

absolutely 100% correct. no pay cuts in OotP.

and MLB allows 20% reduction from previous year.

Tavarin · 02-07-2005, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mrbill

*bug*

Count it.

It's not a bug, it's just how Markus programmed arbitration into OOTP

Jazzmosis · 02-07-2005, 07:49 PM

The easiest way to get around this problem is to offer your player a one year extension that's cheaper than his arbitration. I had an MR making 4.3 million (hefty, I know) after putting up a All-Star season with a 2.7 ERA.. then he posted a 7.07 the next year, and a 6.04 this year.. he's still got potential, so I signed him for 1.7 million. That's a good way to handle your arbitration.

mrbill · 02-07-2005, 09:23 PM

Not a bug? It doesn't work in any way like arbitration should work. It's not how MLB does arbitration, and its not how anyone else would do it either. It's just a kluge, a rough draft so to say.

SoxWin · 02-07-2005, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrbill

Not a bug? It doesn't work in any way like arbitration should work. It's not how MLB does arbitration, and its not how anyone else would do it either. It's just a kluge, a rough draft so to say.

It's not a bug, it was a conscious programming decision. I'm with you in that I'd like to see it made right, but it's not a bug.

rem · 02-07-2005, 10:26 PM

I'm actually not sure about MLB arbitration rules. Yes, it's true that 20% count can occur. However, I think that may only apply to contracts made outside of actual arbitration. I believe that when you submit offers to the arbitrator you must offer at least lasts years salary. And even if I'm incorrect, I know that in practice any kind of paycut (aside from a non-tender) is very rare.

So I'd hardly consider this a bug or a design flaw.

02-07-2005, 02:10 PM	#1
mrbill All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: LA, CA Posts: 982	God I hate Arbitration I just posted about wonderful MR arbitration logic, now a great one for my 2B. H e dropped talent in 3 categories, went from hitting .278/.778 OPS to .236/.646 OPS, and so I expected his 3.6 mil arbitration award to go down. His estimate last year and after arbitration this year was 670,000... so you'd think he'd get somewhere around that in arbitration. But no, he gets 3.6 million again. The game apparently doesn't believe in pay cuts for players who lose their ability. On further review, this happens to most any player who signs a real contract then still has arbitration years left after it (their pay stays the same), but the fact that it happens for players on arbitration the whole time is more disturbing. Isn't this what arbitration is for, to adjust a player's salary to their ability? If I wanted a long term contract, I'd sign one. Does OOTP 6 need more beta testers? Last edited by mrbill; 02-07-2005 at 02:13 PM.

02-07-2005, 02:49 PM	#4
Crapshoot Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: watching: DArwin's missing link in action Posts: 3,112	Firstly, his talent level is irrelvant- or should be. Secondly, you forget to account for the fact that's he's older, and can now compare to older players - thus raising his likely award. Thirdly, Arbitration limits pay cuts to 20%. __________________ Senior Senor Member of the OOTP Boards Pittsburgh Playmates- OTBL

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Ktulu Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: BC Posts: 4,651	I don't think there are pay cuts in ootp's arbitration system. __________________ "The ice is getting even more thinner, my friend!"

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Jazzmosis All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2004 Location: The London you've never heard of Posts: 505	The easiest way to get around this problem is to offer your player a one year extension that's cheaper than his arbitration. I had an MR making 4.3 million (hefty, I know) after putting up a All-Star season with a 2.7 ERA.. then he posted a 7.07 the next year, and a 6.04 this year.. he's still got potential, so I signed him for 1.7 million. That's a good way to handle your arbitration. __________________ Florida Marlins GM, Netsports League - 2004 NL Champs, 2008 + 2013 Champions, 2004, 2009-2015, 2017-2021, 2024-2028 NLE Division Crown Mark Jazzington's Managerial Career - worth a read Thanks to Tib for the inspiration to write it.

02-07-2005, 09:23 PM	#11
mrbill All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: LA, CA Posts: 982	Not a bug? It doesn't work in any way like arbitration should work. It's not how MLB does arbitration, and its not how anyone else would do it either. It's just a kluge, a rough draft so to say. Last edited by mrbill; 02-07-2005 at 09:25 PM.

02-07-2005, 02:18 PM	#2
UngratefulDead Banned Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 3,415	Dude, your middle reliever had a .770 OPS?!

02-07-2005, 02:22 PM	#3
mrbill All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: LA, CA Posts: 982	Haha, no, my 2B

02-07-2005, 03:12 PM	#5
mrbill All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: LA, CA Posts: 982	Well, his stats are awful, he only plays because my team is awful too. He's one year older, which I don't think matters very much, he only rates as 2 stars as a 2B and that's probably generous. And, he got no pay cut at all, 20% would be nice.

02-07-2005, 03:28 PM	#7
mrbill All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: LA, CA Posts: 982	bug Count it.

02-07-2005, 10:26 PM	#13
rem Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: College Park, Md. Posts: 5,024	I'm actually not sure about MLB arbitration rules. Yes, it's true that 20% count can occur. However, I think that may only apply to contracts made outside of actual arbitration. I believe that when you submit offers to the arbitrator you must offer at least lasts years salary. And even if I'm incorrect, I know that in practice any kind of paycut (aside from a non-tender) is very rare. So I'd hardly consider this a bug or a design flaw. __________________ OTBA: Washington Filibusters CLBR: Minnesota Twins 2005 Winner of LL's Pick the Loser Contest! - 15-0