Cleared Waiver, Still on 40 Man

thedokes · 12-26-2004, 02:12 PM

I have four players cleared waivers in order to remove them from the 40 man roster and assign them to the minors. The waivers have been cleared but now I can not assign them to the minors - the message I get is that they have a big league contract & must be on the 40 man roster. This is why I moved them to waivers in the first place!

My understanding (from Tranaction FAQ) is that if players clear waivers they could be assigned or if they have have enough years, refuse the assignment & elect to become a FA. (I have reviewed my players years & it would seem I should be able to move them) What Do I Have to do to have them cleared, off the 40 and assigned to the Minors ?

Thanks
Rich

William4192 · 12-26-2004, 02:30 PM

I'm wondering this also.

sporr · 12-26-2004, 03:26 PM

The way the game is set up now, all players with major league contracts must remain on the 40-man roster. You'll have to release them if you don't want them there.

jmm8356 · 12-26-2004, 10:26 PM

Okay... you have a player under major league contract sitting in DFA who has cleared waivers, and you want him on a minor league team and off the 40-man...

1) If he's not there already, put the player on the 40-man
2) Move the player from DFA to the minor league roster
3) Drag the player from the 40-man to the white box

He only has to be on the 40-man while you're removing him from DFA, so in this scenario, the order of the steps matters.

thedokes · 12-26-2004, 11:00 PM

Thanks, but that seems to just repeat the process.

The player, once moved off the 40 man roster (by dragging him into the white box) ,prompts a pop up screen telling me "Player must clear waivers in order to be removed from the 40 Man Roster. Put Player on Waivers and designate him for assignment" Y/N (Remember these player have big league contracts)

In the end nothing is accomplished.

William4192 · 12-26-2004, 11:17 PM

My same problem.

William4192 · 12-26-2004, 11:18 PM

Honestly, correct me if you think I'm wrong, but if he clears waivers, I should be able to take him off the roster (he should not be allowed to block this). Right?

mlyons · 12-27-2004, 06:44 AM

The current MLB rule (which OOTP emulates), is that all players with big league contracts must be on the 40-man roster. The only way to get him off your 40-man roster is to get him out of your organization entirely.

jmm8356 · 12-27-2004, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thedokes

Thanks, but that seems to just repeat the process.

The player, once moved off the 40 man roster (by dragging him into the white box) ,prompts a pop up screen telling me "Player must clear waivers in order to be removed from the 40 Man Roster. Put Player on Waivers and designate him for assignment" Y/N (Remember these player have big league contracts)

In the end nothing is accomplished.

Did you remove him from the waivers box? He has to be in the Waivers box as "CLEARED!" at the moment you want to do a transaction that requires waivers... that's why the AI teams always have a million guys listed in their Waivers box (and you should too!)

Maybe we're not doing exactly the same thing... so lemme try again:

Player is in the DFA box and has a Big League Contract, as well as in the Waivers box as "CLEARED!"
1) Drag from DFA to the 40-man roster
2) Drag from DFA to the minor league roster
3) Drag from the 40-man to the white box

Always works for me, and after trying it just now, it still works for me, so I dunno what else to say.

jbmagic · 12-27-2004, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmm8356

Did you remove him from the waivers box? He has to be in the Waivers box as "CLEARED!" at the moment you want to do a transaction that requires waivers... that's why the AI teams always have a million guys listed in their Waivers box (and you should too!)

Maybe we're not doing exactly the same thing... so lemme try again:

Player is in the DFA box and has a Big League Contract, as well as in the Waivers box as "CLEARED!"
1) Drag from DFA to the 40-man roster
2) Drag from DFA to the minor league roster
3) Drag from the 40-man to the white box

Always works for me, and after trying it just now, it still works for me, so I dunno what else to say.

isnt this a big loophole if you do this?

Markus added this to patch 6.10
"Players with MLB contracts now have to be moved to the 40 man roster when signed"

William4192 · 12-27-2004, 05:27 PM

Is it cheating?

William4192 · 12-27-2004, 05:27 PM

Is this how it is to be done?

jmm8356 · 12-27-2004, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbmagic

isnt this a big loophole if you do this?

Markus added this to patch 6.10
"Players with MLB contracts now have to be moved to the 40 man roster when signed"

It's not too big... For one, some players can refuse assignment off the 40-man... and it's not as bad as some of the other loopholes, since the guy does clear waivers first. Besides, the quote above does not necessarily mean that "Players with big league contracts must remain on the 40-man roster at all times". If that's what Markus meant for the game to do, he should have added code to check for that when you try to remove someone from the 40-man, not just when you try to move them from DFA to the minors.

EDIT: Forgot to quote.

crazyeights · 01-11-2005, 08:16 PM

I have a similar problem regarding waivers, but it has to do with trades. The trading deadline has passed. I attempted to make trades, and received a message saying that the players must clear waivers prior to being traded, and the trade would be cancelled if the players were claimed. I set the waiver period to 1 day, and all of the players have cleared. They're in the "Cleared Waivers" box, but they are still on their original team. I attempted to trade them again, since they already cleared waivers, but I get the same message and nothing changes.

William4192 · 01-11-2005, 10:19 PM

Can anyone comment on this?

thedokes · 01-12-2005, 09:10 AM

Would seem to me overly simplistic but because the trading dealine has past - you can't trade.

The game maybe following the procedures for before the deadline & just stopping the transaction at the end.

If you are playing a solo league you are blocked from negotiating & making trades after the dealine.

crazyeights · 01-12-2005, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thedokes

Would seem to me overly simplistic but because the trading dealine has past - you can't trade.

The game maybe following the procedures for before the deadline & just stopping the transaction at the end.

If you are playing a solo league you are blocked from negotiating & making trades after the dealine.

This is for an online league. You should still be able to trade after the deadline if the players clear waivers. All of the players cleared waivers, but the trades still won't go through.

12-26-2004, 02:12 PM	#1
thedokes Minors (Double A) Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Good Ole' Jamesburg NJ Posts: 110	Cleared Waiver, Still on 40 Man I have four players cleared waivers in order to remove them from the 40 man roster and assign them to the minors. The waivers have been cleared but now I can not assign them to the minors - the message I get is that they have a big league contract & must be on the 40 man roster. This is why I moved them to waivers in the first place! My understanding (from Tranaction FAQ) is that if players clear waivers they could be assigned or if they have have enough years, refuse the assignment & elect to become a FA. (I have reviewed my players years & it would seem I should be able to move them) What Do I Have to do to have them cleared, off the 40 and assigned to the Minors ? Thanks Rich

12-26-2004, 02:30 PM	#2
William4192 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 1,625	I'm wondering this also. __________________ What is this about Rhode Island? It is neither Road or Island. Come check out the PBA. http://www.pioneerbaseballassociation.com Or email at pbacommish@pioneerbaseballassociation.com

12-26-2004, 10:26 PM	#4
jmm8356 All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Lafayette IN (by way of Tonawanda NY) Posts: 1,673	Okay... you have a player under major league contract sitting in DFA who has cleared waivers, and you want him on a minor league team and off the 40-man... 1) If he's not there already, put the player on the 40-man 2) Move the player from DFA to the minor league roster 3) Drag the player from the 40-man to the white box He only has to be on the 40-man while you're removing him from DFA, so in this scenario, the order of the steps matters. __________________ Jeremy from Tonawanda --- Go Cubbies! --- Unofficial Theta Tester(tm) "Oh, we got both kinds. We got country and western!" From OOTP 6: Designated for Assignment FAQ (Includes both problems and solutions! Ooooo! )

12-26-2004, 11:17 PM	#6
William4192 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 1,625	My same problem. __________________ What is this about Rhode Island? It is neither Road or Island. Come check out the PBA. http://www.pioneerbaseballassociation.com Or email at pbacommish@pioneerbaseballassociation.com

12-26-2004, 11:18 PM	#7
William4192 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 1,625	Honestly, correct me if you think I'm wrong, but if he clears waivers, I should be able to take him off the roster (he should not be allowed to block this). Right? __________________ What is this about Rhode Island? It is neither Road or Island. Come check out the PBA. http://www.pioneerbaseballassociation.com Or email at pbacommish@pioneerbaseballassociation.com

12-26-2004, 03:26 PM	#3
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	The way the game is set up now, all players with major league contracts must remain on the 40-man roster. You'll have to release them if you don't want them there.

12-26-2004, 11:00 PM	#5
thedokes Minors (Double A) Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Good Ole' Jamesburg NJ Posts: 110	Thanks, but that seems to just repeat the process. The player, once moved off the 40 man roster (by dragging him into the white box) ,prompts a pop up screen telling me "Player must clear waivers in order to be removed from the 40 Man Roster. Put Player on Waivers and designate him for assignment" Y/N (Remember these player have big league contracts) In the end nothing is accomplished.

12-27-2004, 06:44 AM	#8
mlyons Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,725	The current MLB rule (which OOTP emulates), is that all players with big league contracts must be on the 40-man roster. The only way to get him off your 40-man roster is to get him out of your organization entirely. __________________ Things can always be worse.

12-27-2004, 05:27 PM	#11
William4192 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 1,625	Is it cheating? __________________ What is this about Rhode Island? It is neither Road or Island. Come check out the PBA. http://www.pioneerbaseballassociation.com Or email at pbacommish@pioneerbaseballassociation.com

12-27-2004, 05:27 PM	#12
William4192 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 1,625	Is this how it is to be done? __________________ What is this about Rhode Island? It is neither Road or Island. Come check out the PBA. http://www.pioneerbaseballassociation.com Or email at pbacommish@pioneerbaseballassociation.com

01-11-2005, 08:16 PM	#14
crazyeights Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: St. Louis Posts: 78	I have a similar problem regarding waivers, but it has to do with trades. The trading deadline has passed. I attempted to make trades, and received a message saying that the players must clear waivers prior to being traded, and the trade would be cancelled if the players were claimed. I set the waiver period to 1 day, and all of the players have cleared. They're in the "Cleared Waivers" box, but they are still on their original team. I attempted to trade them again, since they already cleared waivers, but I get the same message and nothing changes.

01-11-2005, 10:19 PM	#15
William4192 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 1,625	Can anyone comment on this? __________________ What is this about Rhode Island? It is neither Road or Island. Come check out the PBA. http://www.pioneerbaseballassociation.com Or email at pbacommish@pioneerbaseballassociation.com

01-12-2005, 09:10 AM	#16
thedokes Minors (Double A) Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Good Ole' Jamesburg NJ Posts: 110	Would seem to me overly simplistic but because the trading dealine has past - you can't trade. The game maybe following the procedures for before the deadline & just stopping the transaction at the end. If you are playing a solo league you are blocked from negotiating & making trades after the dealine.