A small OOTP 7 update including a quiz :)

Markus Heinsohn · 12-16-2004, 04:36 PM

OK, today I finished coding the engine that takes care of the stats tracking in OOTP 7. Quite a task it was, but well worth it. This thing allows you to check millions of stats per player. No, that is not a typo. And don't worry, the league file isn't THAT big, most of these stats get calculated before they get displayed. Season stats are available by league/level, by team, by split and by double split. That means, for example, you can check the batting stats (including special stats like ISO or RC/27) of a player batting with a count of 1-2 in June against team X. This applies to pitchers as well, so you can see how players hit against a pitcher in Triple-A, on the road with runners on 2nd & 3rd. So far there are 56 different splits available, but I plan to add some more, i.e. obscure ones like split by weekday, or useful ones like pitching on X days rest.

Many will worry now that the game will terribly slow down because of this and the pitch-by-pitch mode. Don't worry

In fact, here comes the quiz: What do you think, how long does it take to simulate an entire year with all 28 leagues at full detail level on a 3 ghz PC? (The game does not write boxscores to disk so far, neither is roster AI, trading and player development enabled)

Looking forward to your guesses.

seth70liz76 · 12-16-2004, 04:38 PM

No guess here (it'd be wrong anyway) but, let me just say--wow.

Karros270 · 12-16-2004, 04:41 PM

I'll go with about a minute.

eriqjaffe · 12-16-2004, 04:42 PM

A lot less time than it will take on my 366mhz Pentium II laptop.

Skywalker76 · 12-16-2004, 04:43 PM

Hmmmm. I'd guess 2 hours ?!?

clutch · 12-16-2004, 04:53 PM

18 minutes and 27 seconds.

benchwarmer · 12-16-2004, 04:57 PM

a entire season? Maybe about 180 seconds?

HolyCow98 · 12-16-2004, 05:00 PM

5 minutes...

bulldog55 · 12-16-2004, 05:13 PM

It is currently impossible because there is a bug that crashes every season at the All-Star Break.

Failing that, I'll guess 10 minutes. Long enough to allow for some heavy number crunching but fast enough that we are meant to be shocked.

sporr · 12-16-2004, 05:16 PM

I'll say 15 minutes but I bet I'm wrong. BTW, this is just the level of stat detail I've been waiting for

Vris · 12-16-2004, 05:21 PM

Well, my computer won't be able to run it. I know that.

I'll guess 12 minutes

MattH3322 · 12-16-2004, 05:28 PM

my guess is, as long as it takes to sim 162 games per team

Muppetus Galacticus · 12-16-2004, 05:28 PM

Is it me or is Markus in, "smug-mode"?

I'll say just 6 minutes then right now. Not that it matters much to me as I play out my sides games and if I do sim ahead a decade or two I go and read my book per season, load up CatoBase, rinse, repeat. After letting us know Markus any chance of knowing how long it takes on a 2Ghz system? But like I say - I play my own games, so whatever the result I am truly excited by the level of detail.

Speaking of CatoBase I need to go look in the OOTP7 Suggestions to see if this will follow OOTP into the New Age. Unless someone here knows offhand...?

Operation Shutdown · 12-16-2004, 05:31 PM

I'll throw something in the 5-6 minute range. 5 minutes 38 seconds, 242 milliseconds, 836 microseconds, 124 nanoseconds.

Raidergoo · 12-16-2004, 05:33 PM

20 minutes

Crapshoot · 12-16-2004, 05:49 PM

Thanks Markus- that's awesome. My guess is around 15-20 minutes, which is amazingly fast, especially given FM isnt that fast.

Side note: You play FM ? Tell me you aren't a Bayern Munich or Schalke fan...

kingcharlesxii · 12-16-2004, 05:56 PM

Assuming that the processor is a 3.0 GHz Pentium 4 with Hyperthreading enabled...

(scribbles equations)

9 minutes and 47 seconds.

Skywalker76 · 12-16-2004, 05:58 PM

Well I'm a Bayern fan if that helps you out

I bought FM two weeks ago and I have to say it's a very good game but it's so damn slow. If I play 3 leagues it takes ages and I have a 2,2 GhZ with 512 MB which isn't really that bad.

I really hope OOTP 7 is faster because the best game doesn't help if it takes too long to play.

Markus Heinsohn · 12-16-2004, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aadik

Thanks Markus- that's awesome. My guess is around 15-20 minutes, which is amazingly fast, especially given FM isnt that fast.

Side note: You play FM ? Tell me you aren't a Bayern Munich or Schalke fan...

I'm not a fan of soccer in general... but my favourite club in Germany is Werder Bremen. And I dislike Bayern Munich

Oh, and no one has got the time right so far...

Skywalker76 · 12-16-2004, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

I'm not a fan of soccer in general... but my favourite club in Germany is Werder Bremen. And I dislike Bayern Munich

You better get back to baseball/ OOTP then

12-16-2004, 04:36 PM	#1
Markus Heinsohn Developer OOTP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 24,805	A small OOTP 7 update including a quiz :) OK, today I finished coding the engine that takes care of the stats tracking in OOTP 7. Quite a task it was, but well worth it. This thing allows you to check millions of stats per player. No, that is not a typo. And don't worry, the league file isn't THAT big, most of these stats get calculated before they get displayed. Season stats are available by league/level, by team, by split and by double split. That means, for example, you can check the batting stats (including special stats like ISO or RC/27) of a player batting with a count of 1-2 in June against team X. This applies to pitchers as well, so you can see how players hit against a pitcher in Triple-A, on the road with runners on 2nd & 3rd. So far there are 56 different splits available, but I plan to add some more, i.e. obscure ones like split by weekday, or useful ones like pitching on X days rest. Many will worry now that the game will terribly slow down because of this and the pitch-by-pitch mode. Don't worry In fact, here comes the quiz: What do you think, how long does it take to simulate an entire year with all 28 leagues at full detail level on a 3 ghz PC? (The game does not write boxscores to disk so far, neither is roster AI, trading and player development enabled) Looking forward to your guesses.

12-16-2004, 04:38 PM	#2
seth70liz76 All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,634	No guess here (it'd be wrong anyway) but, let me just say--wow. __________________ It was a mistake to come back.

12-16-2004, 04:41 PM	#3
Karros270 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,392	I'll go with about a minute. __________________ now everybody's praying...don't prey on me

12-16-2004, 04:42 PM	#4
eriqjaffe Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Under The Christmas Fish Posts: 7,648	A lot less time than it will take on my 366mhz Pentium II laptop. __________________

12-16-2004, 04:53 PM	#6
clutch Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Valley of Nod Posts: 248	18 minutes and 27 seconds. __________________ Favorite: Baseball Team: Philadelphia Phillies Football Team: Miami Dolphins Race Car Driver: Dale Earnhardt Jr.

12-16-2004, 04:43 PM	#5
Skywalker76 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Miami Posts: 833	Hmmmm. I'd guess 2 hours ?!?

12-16-2004, 04:57 PM	#7
benchwarmer Banned Join Date: May 2004 Location: Red Sox Nation Posts: 1,461	a entire season? Maybe about 180 seconds?

12-16-2004, 05:00 PM	#8
HolyCow98 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Douglasville, GA Posts: 2,735	5 minutes... __________________ NPBL Enjoying its 60th season Georgia GM

12-16-2004, 05:13 PM	#9
bulldog55 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: California's Canada Warnings: 17 Posts: 2,479	It is currently impossible because there is a bug that crashes every season at the All-Star Break. Failing that, I'll guess 10 minutes. Long enough to allow for some heavy number crunching but fast enough that we are meant to be shocked. __________________ Commissioner, Trans-Continental Base Ball Association Owner/GM, Los Angeles Electrics (TCBA), Beaverton Rangers (OTBL), Portland Mavericks (Union League), and Los Angeles Superbas (Century League) Being smart, don't always make you popular.

12-16-2004, 05:16 PM	#10
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	I'll say 15 minutes but I bet I'm wrong. BTW, this is just the level of stat detail I've been waiting for

12-16-2004, 05:21 PM	#11
Vris Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: somewhere where I don't know where I am Posts: 3,251	Well, my computer won't be able to run it. I know that. I'll guess 12 minutes __________________ None Blog it.

12-16-2004, 05:28 PM	#12
MattH3322 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Chicago area Posts: 752	my guess is, as long as it takes to sim 162 games per team __________________ People say us Irish have a bad reputation for drinking and fighting. It makes me so mad that I want to get drunk and punch someone.

12-16-2004, 05:28 PM	#13
Muppetus Galacticus Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Where we talk proper English like the Queen innit? Posts: 2,030	Is it me or is Markus in, "smug-mode"? I'll say just 6 minutes then right now. Not that it matters much to me as I play out my sides games and if I do sim ahead a decade or two I go and read my book per season, load up CatoBase, rinse, repeat. After letting us know Markus any chance of knowing how long it takes on a 2Ghz system? But like I say - I play my own games, so whatever the result I am truly excited by the level of detail. Speaking of CatoBase I need to go look in the OOTP7 Suggestions to see if this will follow OOTP into the New Age. Unless someone here knows offhand...?

12-16-2004, 05:31 PM	#14
Operation Shutdown All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Pittsburgh PA Posts: 912	I'll throw something in the 5-6 minute range. 5 minutes 38 seconds, 242 milliseconds, 836 microseconds, 124 nanoseconds. __________________ "And Shepherds we shall be, For thee, my Lord, for thee. Power hath descended forth from Thy hand, Our feet may swiftly carry out Thy commands. So we shall flow a river forth to Thee, And teeming with souls shall it ever be. In Nomeni Patri Et Fili Spiritus Sancti."

12-16-2004, 05:33 PM	#15
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,005	20 minutes

12-16-2004, 05:49 PM	#16
Crapshoot Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: watching: DArwin's missing link in action Posts: 3,112	Thanks Markus- that's awesome. My guess is around 15-20 minutes, which is amazingly fast, especially given FM isnt that fast. Side note: You play FM ? Tell me you aren't a Bayern Munich or Schalke fan... __________________ Senior Senor Member of the OOTP Boards Pittsburgh Playmates- OTBL

12-16-2004, 05:56 PM	#17
kingcharlesxii Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,730	Assuming that the processor is a 3.0 GHz Pentium 4 with Hyperthreading enabled... (scribbles equations) 9 minutes and 47 seconds. __________________ OTBA - Stockholm Royal Squirrels of Sweden OOTP Grand League Champion 2015

12-16-2004, 05:58 PM	#18
Skywalker76 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Miami Posts: 833	Well I'm a Bayern fan if that helps you out I bought FM two weeks ago and I have to say it's a very good game but it's so damn slow. If I play 3 leagues it takes ages and I have a 2,2 GhZ with 512 MB which isn't really that bad. I really hope OOTP 7 is faster because the best game doesn't help if it takes too long to play.