How many instances of the throwing error bug will I need to mention...

[Eckstein 4 Prez]

...before something actually gets done? Let's start counting, shall we? (Of course, I've mentioned this bug, which appears to be a new one with OOTP6, about a dozen times on this forum, but that apparently counts for nothing.)

So, without further ado:

Annoying instance #1:

May 10, 1875. New York Mutuals at Boston Red Stockings. Bottom of the first.

Charlie Gould hits a grounder to second baseman Bill Boyd, who "throws it away," allowing Charlie to end up on second. No at-bat is given to Gould - this needs to be either a hit and a one-base error, or an out and a two-base error. Instead, it's a nothing. An error is charged to Boyd, but nothing is done to Gould's stats.

COULD WE PLEASE GET SOME ATTENTION TO THIS ANNOYING BUG?!?!!?!

[Eckstein 4 Prez]

Wow, we're in luck. It didn't take long at all for us to get to:

Annoying Instance #2

Same game. Top of the second.

Cap Anson of the Mutuals hits a grounder to George Wright, the shortstop of the Red Stockings. Wright "throws it away," and again an error is charged to Wright, but nothing happens to Anson's stats. Seriously, this is wrecking the statistical integrity of the league. Can we get some attention, please?

[Eckstein 4 Prez]

And the beat goes on....

Annoying Instance #3

May 14, 1875. Philadelphia Whites at New York Mutuals. Top of the second. Bill Lennon of the Whites hits a grounder to shortstop Dickie Flowers of the Mutuals, throwing error on Flowers with which he is credits, but no change to Lennon's stats.

This can't be all that difficult to find and fix - and yet I'm seeing this all the time and it is RUINING the statistical integrity of my league. Please get on this ASAP.

[Eckstein 4 Prez]

Annoying Instance #4

May 15, 1875. Philadelphia Athletics at Boston Red Stockings. Bottom of the second, Charlie Gould grounds to Philly second baseman Al Reach, who makes a throwing error. Nothing is credited to Gould - no hit, no out, no nothing. Thanks for putting a glaring accounting error into the biggest game of the season so far. Way to pay attention to those little details.

[Eckstein 4 Prez]

As a bonus, in the very same game I just got...

Annoying Instance #5

Bottom of the seventh. Frank McCarton grounds to Philly third baseman Big Jim Clinton, who commits a throwing error. McCarton gets credited with nothing - no hit, no out.... nothing. Thanks for that second instance of the same bug in the same game. By my estimate, due to the prevalence of errors in my 1870s league, I'm seeing an error of 2-3% in the stats generated by this bug. Frankly, this is unacceptable.

[jmm8356]

Just want to confirm... these are all two-base errors, right?

EDIT: Rather, these are all plays where the batter ends up on second, right?

[Eckstein 4 Prez]

Originally Posted by jmm8356

Just want to confirm... these are all two-base errors, right?

EDIT: Rather, these are all plays where the batter ends up on second, right?

You are correct, sir. This doesn't occur with all such throwing errors, but it does seem to occur about half of the time with them. I am quite sure that this was never a problem in OOTP5, as I play out a lot of games and am fairly attuned to such details. It's a new bug in OOTP6.

[jmm8356]

Yeah, it's on my list of about two dozen glitches I'm keeping for the next time Markus says "I'm working on the next patch/update... so... um... what needs to be fixed?"

[Eckstein 4 Prez]

I've got fifty bucks* that says that nothing more will be said about a new patch/update for the next month or two, and then ultimately we'll get a message from Markus around February or March that doesn't specifically say anything about a patch but implies that this is the finished version. Then a handful of people will freak out, a handful of others will flame them for ever having the temerity to suggest that OOTP is anything other than divinely inspired, Steve will step in and offer to speak to Markus, Markus will come along and wonder why everyone is so upset, then will offer to put in a little extra time to fix a few final issues and about three weeks later a rather half-assed fix of some of the most glaring bugs will come out.

That's why I'm bitching big-time about the ones that bother me most. I want them to be among the fixes in the half-assed final patch.

* - Payable in Monopoly money only. Offer subject to termination without notice and void where prohibited.

[Eckstein 4 Prez]

Annoying Instance #6

May 20, 1875. Boston Red Stockings at Philadelphia Whites. Bottom of the fourth. Clipper Flynn of the Whites grounds it to pitcher Hugh Campbell. Throwing error on Campbell, Flynn ends up on second, but no at-bat, hit or out for Flynn as per usual.

[jmm8356]

I think I had one that was an hit and an error in a game yesterday... As I recall, this play was one of those "hey, he's got it!" plays, i.e. high range player makes a stop that most would not. I've also had two or three no-at-bat two base errors since this thread began.

[Eckstein 4 Prez]

Annoying Instance #7

May 26, 1875. Boston Red Stockings at Philadelphia Whites. Just happened again. I'm getting as annoyed posting this as I'm sure everyone else is reading it, which I guess is good.

[Eckstein 4 Prez]

Annoying Instance #8

May 28, 1875. Boston Red Stockings at New York Mutuals. Top of the fifth. Harry Schafer grounds to pitcher Rynie Wolters, and the usual throwing error-no at bat bug rears its head for what feels like the zillionth time.

[Eckstein 4 Prez]

Annoying Instance #9

June 4, 1875. New Haven Elm Citys at Philadelphia Athletics. Bottom of the second. Pitcher Dick McBride of Philly grounds to third, Henry Burroughs of New Haven throws it away, and no at-bat, hit or out given to McBride.

[WWBL Commissioner]

Since it's just Eck and ol' Harry talking here me thinks this thread won't draw much offical comment. But like you guys have said and it's been said by many many people that this version of OOTP has been the biggest disappointment of all the versions I have played (been playing since OOTP 3) The move to SI is going to generate sales for OOTP 7, what I would have liked to see is how 7 would have done if it had just been Markus the same way he did the others, I think sales would have been way down for the new version, but we'll never know

[Eckstein 4 Prez]

Annoying Instance #10

June 11, 1875. Washington Nationals at Philadelphia Athletics. Top of the ninth. NFN Terry grounds the ball to second baseman Al Reach. Reach's throw doesn't reach the first baseman, and he is charged with a throwing error and Terry ends up on second. However, no at-bat, hit or out are credited to Terry.

Oh, how I love talking in an echo chamber. At least if I can get this up to 100 or so instances of seeing this bug in actual games that I play out, it might get some attention....

[crazyhorsejohnny]

Annoying Instance #11

Ecksteinforprez types Annoying Instance #12

[Eckstein 4 Prez]

Originally Posted by crazyhorsejohnny

Annoying Instance #11

Ecksteinforprez types Annoying Instance #12

Thanks, but this isn't meant to be entertaining. Might I recommend Off Topic or Talk Sports?

Annoying Instance #11

June 21, 1875. Brooklyn Atlantics at Boston Red Stockings. Top of the sixth. Herm Doscher hits a grounder back to pitcher Frank Buttery, who commits a throwing error - Doscher winds up on second. However, no at-bat, hit or out are charged to Doscher as per usual.

[Eckstein 4 Prez]

Annoying Instance #12

Same game. Bottom of the ninth. George Wright grounds to Brooklyn second baseman Jim Hall - who commits a throwing error, but no at-bat, hit or out is credited to Wright.

[crazyhorsejohnny]

It is for me.