MVP and Sliver Slugger

kdawg · 11-07-2004, 12:13 PM

Right now, there really is no MVP in OOTP. There basically is a sliver slugger award but it would be great to duplicate the awards giving in MLB. Also, showing the voting for the awards as well. This could possible even tie into incentives for players such as a bonus for MVP award. In addition, we need postseason awards. Just my taughts.

Filthy Slider · 11-07-2004, 02:32 PM

OOOooo! I REALLY like the idea of post-season awards...at the very least having an MVP of each post-season series would be, IMO, a wonderful thing to have!

ctorg · 11-08-2004, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by kdawg

Right now, there really is no MVP in OOTP. There basically is a sliver slugger award but it would be great to duplicate the awards giving in MLB. Also, showing the voting for the awards as well. This could possible even tie into incentives for players such as a bonus for MVP award. In addition, we need postseason awards. Just my taughts.

Good ideas, things I'd like to see make it into the game.

In reality, I'm not too sad about there not being a true MVP. In real baseball, pitchers so rarely win it anyway. Also, I'm not sure it's fair to compare pitchers and hitters with one award. I know you can get some idea with win shares, but their roles are so different.

The voting is absolutely something I'd like to see.

Gastric ReFlux · 11-08-2004, 12:55 PM

I'd love to see some sort of customizable option where one could create a sort of voting formula. I bought a book over the summer by Rob Neyer and Bill James, I think, about pitchers and in one chapter James described a formula that could be used to predict who the likely Cy Young was going to be.

So imagine that. You set up a formula to create Cy Young or MVP points, you can alter it from season to season, but I think this next part of the suggestion would be key--you could also set the formula to have a random adjustment factor. Without that, you could just do a straight calculation and know who's going to win, but with that in place, it's possible that the guy in 2nd, or 3rd, could move up past the leader and take the award.

OOTP could then use it for monthly news stories, like maybe in June say "These players are getting attention for their seasons thus far and should be considered early contenders for the MVP."

ctorg · 11-08-2004, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Gastric ReFlux

I'd love to see some sort of customizable option where one could create a sort of voting formula. I bought a book over the summer by Rob Neyer and Bill James, I think, about pitchers and in one chapter James described a formula that could be used to predict who the likely Cy Young was going to be.

So imagine that. You set up a formula to create Cy Young or MVP points, you can alter it from season to season, but I think this next part of the suggestion would be key--you could also set the formula to have a random adjustment factor. Without that, you could just do a straight calculation and know who's going to win, but with that in place, it's possible that the guy in 2nd, or 3rd, could move up past the leader and take the award.

OOTP could then use it for monthly news stories, like maybe in June say "These players are getting attention for their seasons thus far and should be considered early contenders for the MVP."

That would be great. It would go a long way towards the game seeming to have awareness of events. It's one of the weaker areas of the game, IMO. While there have been improvements in some areas (the news stories, for instance, will report a good performance by a bad pitcher as "unexpected" and will know when an "ace" or good player is injured), there's a long way to go. Granted, it's probably the most difficult area of the game to program - self-awareness - but it would be great.

Gastric ReFlux · 11-08-2004, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ctorg

That would be great. It would go a long way towards the game seeming to have awareness of events. It's one of the weaker areas of the game, IMO. While there have been improvements in some areas (the news stories, for instance, will report a good performance by a bad pitcher as "unexpected" and will know when an "ace" or good player is injured), there's a long way to go. Granted, it's probably the most difficult area of the game to program - self-awareness - but it would be great.

Yeah, it would be great to see the News engine get overhauled. You know what else I dream of? A way of allowing us to import custom PbP files for calling the game. Code the game such that if it can't find the text in the custom file it will revert to the game's default, but it would be great to see what sort of announcers files people could come up with.

Deep fly to centerfield,
Jones is going back.
Say goodbye to that one!
Slam-a-lama-DING DONG!

eriqjaffe · 11-08-2004, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Gastric ReFlux

You know what else I dream of?

Am I as surprised as everybody else that GR's post from this point on was actually about OOTP?

Gastric ReFlux · 11-08-2004, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by eriqjaffe

Am I as surprised as everybody else that GR's post from this point on was actually about OOTP?

You and me both. What was that guy smoking this afternoon?

notareus · 12-07-2004, 06:21 PM

i agree that awards can be improved. i like these ideas and also a fireman of the year awardwould be nice. i see no reason why a P can't win MVP

eriqjaffe · 12-07-2004, 07:00 PM

Of course, the last time a starting pitcher won the MVP was Vida Blue in 1971. No pitchers have won the award since Dennis Eckersley in 1992. Considering that the Silver Slugger is an award that a bunch of people probaby aren't even aware of, I see no problem with keeping it the way it is now.

The Funk · 12-07-2004, 08:20 PM

How about a Golden Gload award for clutchness?

benchwarmer · 12-07-2004, 09:40 PM

postseason awards would be great!

BadluckinOOTP · 12-07-2004, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Gastric ReFlux

Yeah, it would be great to see the News engine get overhauled. You know what else I dream of? A way of allowing us to import custom PbP files for calling the game. Code the game such that if it can't find the text in the custom file it will revert to the game's default, but it would be great to see what sort of announcers files people could come up with.

Deep fly to centerfield,
Jones is going back.
Say goodbye to that one!
Slam-a-lama-DING DONG!

I'd make a really depressed anouncer.

The pitch
lined into the right-field gap for a double
In other news, my wife's a whore

or

0-2 pitch to Johnson
fly ball to center, and its caught
She took everything, I have to move in with my brother now

jdw · 12-12-2004, 03:57 AM

> Of course, the last time a starting pitcher
> won the MVP was Vida Blue in 1971.

"I beat Don Mattingly for the 1986 AL MVP."

"'Who is Roger Clemens?', Alex."

John

11-07-2004, 12:13 PM	#1
kdawg Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New Bedford, MA Posts: 63	MVP and Sliver Slugger Right now, there really is no MVP in OOTP. There basically is a sliver slugger award but it would be great to duplicate the awards giving in MLB. Also, showing the voting for the awards as well. This could possible even tie into incentives for players such as a bonus for MVP award. In addition, we need postseason awards. Just my taughts. __________________ Your Friend in Plastics "Reality continues to ruin my life." - Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes "I will find humor in my everyday life by looking for people I can laugh at"

12-07-2004, 07:00 PM	#10
eriqjaffe Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Under The Christmas Fish Posts: 7,647	Of course, the last time a starting pitcher won the MVP was Vida Blue in 1971. No pitchers have won the award since Dennis Eckersley in 1992. Considering that the Silver Slugger is an award that a bunch of people probaby aren't even aware of, I see no problem with keeping it the way it is now. __________________

12-07-2004, 08:20 PM	#11
The Funk All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Watford Posts: 903	How about a Golden Gload award for clutchness? __________________ Talkin' 'bout the issues but keepin' it funky!

11-07-2004, 02:32 PM	#2
Filthy Slider Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 467	OOOooo! I REALLY like the idea of post-season awards...at the very least having an MVP of each post-season series would be, IMO, a wonderful thing to have!

11-08-2004, 12:55 PM	#4
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	I'd love to see some sort of customizable option where one could create a sort of voting formula. I bought a book over the summer by Rob Neyer and Bill James, I think, about pitchers and in one chapter James described a formula that could be used to predict who the likely Cy Young was going to be. So imagine that. You set up a formula to create Cy Young or MVP points, you can alter it from season to season, but I think this next part of the suggestion would be key--you could also set the formula to have a random adjustment factor. Without that, you could just do a straight calculation and know who's going to win, but with that in place, it's possible that the guy in 2nd, or 3rd, could move up past the leader and take the award. OOTP could then use it for monthly news stories, like maybe in June say "These players are getting attention for their seasons thus far and should be considered early contenders for the MVP."

12-07-2004, 06:21 PM	#9
notareus Minors (Double A) Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Somewhere in Red Sox Nation: "Baseball is Life; the rest are just details" Posts: 132	i agree that awards can be improved. i like these ideas and also a fireman of the year awardwould be nice. i see no reason why a P can't win MVP

12-07-2004, 09:40 PM	#12
benchwarmer Banned Join Date: May 2004 Location: Red Sox Nation Posts: 1,461	postseason awards would be great!

12-12-2004, 03:57 AM	#14
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	> Of course, the last time a starting pitcher > won the MVP was Vida Blue in 1971. "I beat Don Mattingly for the 1986 AL MVP." "'Who is Roger Clemens?', Alex." John