Halofan Roster Problem

[beavers10]

When I'm using halofan's opening day roster, there are always minor leaguers who are great. Take Matt Thornton on Seattle. He's a 5 star gold player and he has won 4 straight Cy Youngs in my league. Is there any reason for this, because I think that the other players are closer to reality than CBL's, and I would otherwise have no problems.

[Mr.Opinion]

That's just the way the prospects were created...if you want them to be not as good, you'll have to edit them down yourself.

[beavers10]

I know, but it's annoying having to go through every team and edit every good minor leaguer(every team has at least 5). Has anyone else had this problem, and can Halofan get it fixed, because it makes the league a lot less realistic.

[halofan26]

the rookies are rated on talent. their actual ratings are not set up to have them as "studs" so if you are getting rookies that are monsters than the game is developing them that way. Now there are a handful, maybe 20-25 rookies that are set up based on what they did this season. Like Greene, Jason Bay. As for Thornton, he was rated off of his stats and when the stats were put in, it made him a 2.5 star SP so i really cant argue with that especially when the stats make his rating. I cant rate a player over 25 off talent so i have to use stats. But i really cant give anymore info because i dont know what "super players" you are referring to cause from the emails i get, the rookies that are great vary so much that it couldnt be a ratings thing but just the way the game developed them

[beavers10]

Well, I can(almost) make a whole team of players that are great gold star players that are nobodys in real life:

C: Craig Ansman, 4 star
1B: Earl Snyder or Scott Seabol, both 3.5 star
2B: Kevin Witt, 3 star
SS: Well, there's no SS
3B: Justin Leone, 3.5 star
LF: Richard Branson, 4 star
CF: No CF, either
RF: Jesse Hoorelbeke, 4 star

SP1: Matt Thornton, 5 star
SP2: Chris Oxspring, 5 star
SP3: Rigo Beltran, 4.5 star
SP4: Bobby Madritsch, 4.5 star
SP5: Rodrigo Rosario, 4.5 star

MR1: Rodney Ormond, 5 star
MR2: Talley Haines, 5 star
MR3: Colter Bean, 4.5 star
MR4: Joel Peralta, 4.5 star
MR5: Jason Childers, 4.5 star

CL: Steve Andrade, 5 star

There's a lot more starters and relievers that are like this. Have you heard of any of these people in real life? Like I said, Matt Thornton is a dominant pitcher in my league. It messes up the reality and I would like it if you went back and fixed these. BTW, the game is not generating these players. These guys are there when I have done nothing after downloading your opening day roster set.

[halofan26]

BTW, the game is not generating these players

I didnt say they were generating them i said they are developing them. Once you start playing, the computer starts moving the ratings around and that has nothing to do with me. Now as for the players you mentioned:

Ansman-was a top 10 prospect after he was drafted acording to Baseball America and some area acouts that i talked to. I also suggest you look at his stats. Most recently, 19 HR in 342 AB. Now i would like for someone to come up with his numbers in the major leagues. You cant cause he has a whole zero AB's there so no one knows what he would do in the majors so i had to use judgement and advice on what he could/would do in the majors.
Now im looking at Snyder and Seabol in my roster set and i see a 2 star (snyder) and a 1.5 star (Seabol) and once again, i suggest you take a look at their stats with 2004 being WAY over what i rated them at so they should maybe be higher than a 1.5 or a 2. This is proof that the minute you start play in the game, the computer AI does what it wants with ratings
Kevin Witt stumps me as i have him as a 1 star so im not seeing what you are. once again, proof that hte game did it and not me. The roster set that is on my site is the exact same thing that i have with the exception of managerial changes and awards.
Leone is rated as a 2 star in MY set. I also would like it if you checked his stats for the last 6 years (last 5 preferred) and you may be surprised.
I dont even HAVE a Richard Branson in my file so i cant explain him to you lol
another mystery-I have Hoorelbeke as a 1.5 star 1b, not a RF as you have above so i cant help you there either
Thornton (i have 2.5 star), Oxspring (2 star), Beltran (2 star), Madritsch (2.5 star), Rosario (1 star)
Beltran is a laugh cause i have him in my set as a 2 star MR not a stud SP as you listed him. And check their stats, it would help.
Ormond (2.5),Haines (3),Bean (2.5),Peralta (3.5),Childers (2.5),Andrade (2.5)
Once again, check the stats.
I keep saying to check the stats because that is how you make the star ratings so they are pretty important in making roster sets. I would like you to make a small roster set based off of written material like magazines or websites and not based off your opinion. There are a few players in my set that i would like to hammer because i dont feel they are that good. Perfect example is Jeff DaVanon of the Angels. He is a 3 star OF and i dont see him as anything more than a 1.5 star 4th OF but the stats make him a 3 and i made my set based off of that and not opinion. Take a look at Adam Dunn. Do you know how many people have told me that Dunn should be a 4-5 star player? Sorry i dont see it, i see him as a 3 star player with mediocre defense in OF and at 1b and he has no discipline at the plate with that cute SO total this season. However after putting the stats in, he is a 3.5 star player.

Have you heard of any of these people in real life?

I would venture to think that i might know more of these players that the normal person as i was employed by minor league baseball and i dealt with a couple of them first hand and even had the chance to go fishing and hang out with some of them. Chris Oxspring is a goo example as i have spent alot of time with him when he was in Lake Elsinore and Mobile and the game isnt going to mention that his command is MUCH better than his stats say but i have to keep that off the game and out of my mind when im rating these players. Now there is a REAL quick fix to this problem of yours. Dont use the opening day set as it is a victim of a conversion ratings mess that i could not control and i have spent the last 6 months fixing. You may want to get my roster set that is updated as of Nov. 2nd. I dont know where you got the set from so for all i know, someone may have edited the file to reflect their opinion as i only control the downloads from my home site. I also suggest making a roster set yourself based off of nothing connected to your opinion of a player and see what you come up with, you may be surprised to see how some players come out being rated. And as i mentioned, once you play a single game, the computer AI will mess with the ratings i have put in and there is nothing i can do about that. This will answer the question that has come up sometimes about using my set and the computer releases players from AI controlled teams when they shouldnt have been released. The plain and simple answer is that the computer started tinkering with the ratings and felt that they had a better option and waived them or released them. Trust me its not as cut and dry as some may think. I do appreciate GREATLY (more than anyone but my wife knows) that you even use my set at all, but as i explained above, once i put it up and it gets downloaded and games are played, there is nothing i can do.

[beavers10]

Thanks for answering my question. I might make a roster set, maybe not. Also, these stats are before I sim one day, so does that count as play?

[halofan26]

just remember its not easy to keep opinions and attitudes out of building a roster set. It took everything i had to keep from hammering certain players and from not boosting players that i THOUGHT would be good

[jbmagic]

halofan roster is the best you will find for ootp 6...

there awesome and always updated

[beavers10]

Also, I don't see why people would get roster sets that are updated to sometime in June. Isn't it the fun of the game to sim the whole season and get your own results? I just don't get updating the rosters midseason. And I do love halofan's rosters, other than the stud nonames. I think that they are a lot closer to reality than CBL's and produce closer numbers to the actual MLB.

P.S. Should I make a roster set that starts on Opening Day, or this offseason?

[Hoiles]

Beavers, so you are using halofan's Opening Day roster set? I'm not sure as I have not used them recently but I think that was his first version and he has tweaked the ratings for many players since. Maybe the later versions in addition to reflect roster moves, they are also more "accurate" concerning performance. Am I right halofan?

[beavers10]

Yes, I am using opening day, but I have no intention of downloading any of the midseason updates. I will download the Nov. 2nd roster though.

[rem]

I think your being rather rude and should make your own damn roster sets if you don't like other peoples.

[halofan26]

P.S. Should I make a roster set that starts on Opening Day, or this offseason?

Im not sure what others would say, but i would START a roster set now and release it for opening day. That way you can work on it for a good 4-5 months and have it exactly the way you want it. In other words, dont do what i did lol

Maybe the later versions in addition to reflect roster moves, they are also more "accurate" concerning performance. Am I right halofan?

Persoanlly yes....if you compare it to my first roster set, it is leaps and bounds over what it was back then. Im still not very happy with it as im trying to get it to be exact although it may never happen.

I think your being rather rude and should make your own damn roster sets if you don't like other peoples

It's ok Remangiii, when i get feedback on the sets it allows me to make them better for everyone else. I mean hell, i dont even use my own set cause i like fictional players in my solo league LOL. I have used it for tests and what not but nothing to run a dynasty with. My wife uses it tho. All i want is for people to understand WHY i have the players the way they are. I know everyone wont agree and its cool. I mean i hate a couple players that i would like to hammer in my set, but the stats wont let me ya know?

[etoppsfan]

I would first of all like to thank Halofan for doing such a great job putting this roster set together. Sure, it is not perfect and I am sure there will never be a perfect roster set. One of the hardest things about the rosters is trying to determine the ratings for prospects. There are so many prospects that are Minor League superstars but just can't adapt to the Major Leagues. There also are some players that actually mature late and put up better stats in the Majors than they did in the Minors. The great thing about OOTP is that you can edit any player that you think is rated incorrectly.

P.S. here a the link to the Arizona Fall League if you want to check out how some of the top prospects are doing playing against each other.
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/ev...2004/index.jsp