Thoughts of a Yankees Fan

Dagrims · 10-28-2004, 06:47 AM

Was it the greatest comeback ever, or the greatest choke ever, or both? It really doesn't matter, honestly. Sincere congratulations to the Red Sox for crushing the Cardinals and getting a 86 year old monkey off their back. That sentence just reminded me of my grandparents making whoopee, but I digress. I don't like the Sox, never liked the Sox, and have been a Yankees fan since 1976. I respect the Sox, however, and it's time to recognize the fact that they're the best team in the AL East right now. It's going to be a long offseason for Yankees management, and I expect there will be some significant changes in the roster.

I believe there are less than 110 days until pitchers and catchers report.

JerseyPride · 10-28-2004, 07:05 AM

Thoughts of a Yankee fan?

CommishJoe · 10-28-2004, 09:32 AM

That pretty much sums it up. The Yankees really needed to go into rebuilding mode after 2002. But, with Steinbrenner at the helm, we'll never go into rebuilding mode. Which means our minors will always suck, and we'll always have big names who had their best years already on the team.

In any case, it was obvious who wanted this more. The Yankees just looked flat after game 3, and it was pretty pitiful. Their personality sucks, and just doesn't have what it takes to win it all. Gawd, I miss the late 90s teams.

Congrads to the Sox. They definately deserved this championship. I hated watching Manny and Pedro celebrate, but Schilling, Ortiz, Foulke, Millar, Mueller, and heck even Roberts deserved it too much to root against the Sox just because of those 2 idiots.

draven085 · 10-28-2004, 09:38 AM

Honestly, who gives a **** what any Yankees fan thinks right now?

Dagrims · 10-28-2004, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by draven085

Honestly, who gives a **** what any Yankees fan thinks right now?

Nice.

CommishJoe · 10-28-2004, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by draven085

Honestly, who gives a **** what any Yankees fan thinks right now?

I would have expected this from some of the, uhh, other, people on this board, but not from you. Ah well.

Dagrims · 10-28-2004, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by CommishJoe

I would have expected this from some of the, uhh, other, people on this board, but not from you. Ah well.

I was completely surprised to see the comment posted by someone who has been justifiably aggressive in combating stereotypes perpetuated by others on the OT board.

draven085 · 10-28-2004, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Dagrims

I was completely surprised to see the comment posted by someone who has been justifiably aggressive in combating stereotypes perpetuated by others on the OT board.

What did my comment have to do with stereotypes? I made it in reference to someone posting a thread that came across (to me at least) as trying to make the Red Sox moment of triumph about the Yankees. While I appreciate your congratulations I think you could've just as easily posted them in one of the many other World Series related threads.

CMH · 10-28-2004, 10:33 AM

I don't see the problem with this thread (though I'm sure I'll be ridiculed for that comment based on my name alone).

The season is over and the Red Sox won. Now a Yankee fan is asking what New York will do as a result of this "travesty" (in the eyes of some New Yorkers and most importantly, George Steinbrenner). This thread could have easily been about the Chicago Cubs and their plans for the next season while congratulating the Sox for a championship.

draven085 · 10-28-2004, 10:37 AM

I'll be the first to admit that I can be over-sensitive when it comes to Yankees related issues. If I over-reacted then I apologize, but this thread did rub me the wrong way.

Dagrims · 10-28-2004, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by draven085

What did my comment have to do with stereotypes? I made it in reference to someone posting a thread that came across (to me at least) as trying to make the Red Sox moment of triumph about the Yankees. While I appreciate your congratulations I think you could've just as easily posted them in one of the many other World Series related threads.

You perpetuated a stereotype about Boston fans with the nature of your comment, and the "who cares about what (insert group here) thinks" is similar to certain OT posters' feelings/beliefs about religious groups or certain nationalities.

My post was not intended to make the Red Sox victory all about the Yankees. My post was intended to show that yes, even Yankee fans can appreciate the achievement of their long-term rivals and not be bitter about the ALCS loss. It was also intended to show my interest in next season.

The profanity in your quip emphasized your disdain for fans of the Yankees. That is what really surprised me.

CommishJoe · 10-28-2004, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by draven085

I'll be the first to admit that I can be over-sensitive when it comes to Yankees related issues. If I over-reacted then I apologize, but this thread did rub me the wrong way.

I didn't see it as trying to do anything negative to the Sox. Yankees-Red Sox usually means that fans of one hates the other. That's the typical stereotype(as well as fans from one thinking fans from the other are idiots). Dag's post was completely different from that, and that's why I posted in it. I did post my congrads in other threads, but I do think that this thread is a bit different. Not that our thoughts are more important then others, but since we have a stereotype, ESPECIALLY when concerned with the Red Sox, I don't see why classifying our thoughts as Yankee fans is disrespectful of the Sox victory.

sixto · 10-28-2004, 11:11 AM

Let's be fair, Dagrims' congratulations were not complete. A "sincere" congratulations to the Red Sox often does not also include the sentence "I don't like the Sox, I have never liked the Sox."

I am not a Yankees fan but I live in Yankee area. I'm not speaking for draven, but he has it even worse, living in north Jersey as he does and being a Sox fan. No doubt he has had to endure a bevy of "**** the Red Sox" type comments the last couple weeks from co-workers and even people he stands in line with at the supermarket. I know I've heard them. Many Yankee fans are exceptionally rude about the Red Sox in this area. That is undeniable.

And a lot of Yankees fans are walking around today saying, "Yawn, one world championship in the last 86 years, call me again when you win 20 more." I think it's easy to see that is a dagger in the heart of fans who are genuinely floored by what they have just experienced. It's like saying to an 8-year old who gets his first Little League hit, "Yeah, nice kid, let me know if you ever manage to jack one over a 350-foot fence." You think that kid wouldn't feel hurt?

I hope y'all can patch up your differences. I'm not saying draven was justified - but I am saying it's not hard to see why he'd be hurt by your comments.

CMH · 10-28-2004, 11:16 AM

I never knew draven lived in New Jersey.

In all honesty, that puts a lot into perspective. I now feel like I can understand these and past comments a bit more.

Yankee fans can be a**holes. I do feel sorry for the pain you go through every day.

Dagrims · 10-28-2004, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by YankeePride

Yankee fans can be a**holes. I do feel sorry for the pain you go through every day.

The pain of living in Jersey?

Sixto, DRaven, I can see the point of view from which you're coming, and understand why my post was interpreted differently from how I meant it. Seriously, causing controversy or saying things to make others feel bad is not my goal in posting here. Let me edit my post in spirit to simply state "good job Red Sox" and pretend it was a reply buried in some other thread.

draven085 · 10-28-2004, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Dagrims

The pain of living in Jersey?

Sixto, DRaven, I can see the point of view from which you're coming, and understand why my post was interpreted differently from how I meant it. Seriously, causing controversy or saying things to make others feel bad is not my goal in posting here. Let me edit my post in spirit to simply state "good job Red Sox" and pretend it was a reply buried in some other thread.

Fine by me DaggyRims. Sorry for overreacting and being a little bitchy. As you can probably imagine I haven't slept a whole lot this week.

Dagrims · 10-28-2004, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by draven085

Fine by me DaggyRims. Sorry for overreacting and being a little bitchy. As you can probably imagine I haven't slept a whole lot this week.

No problem. As you can imagine, I slept like a baby this week.

Actually, I did watch most of the Series. All four games (with the exception of the middle innings of game 1) reminded me very much of games 5-7 of the ALCS, in that it looked as if just one team were trying to win the game, and the other team was just mailing in its performance.

Gastric ReFlux · 10-28-2004, 11:46 AM

I think you're all explaining too much and not understanding anything.

Be happy.

jnshmoo · 10-28-2004, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by draven085

I'll be the first to admit that I can be over-sensitive when it comes to Yankees related issues. If I over-reacted then I apologize, but this thread did rub me the wrong way.

Did your skin turn green wherever you rubbed it? If so, I'd suggest that you have a doctor look into it.

As a neutral party, I'll say that I didn't think that the initial post was all that bad. After all, he did mention congratulations to the Sox even.

CommishJoe · 10-28-2004, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jnshmoo

Did your skin turn green wherever you rubbed it? If so, I'd suggest that you have a doctor look into it.

As a neutral party, I'll say that I didn't think that the initial post was all that bad. After all, he did mention congratulations to the Sox even.

Everyone is entitled to over-react at times. I know I've done it

No harm, no foul where I'm concerned.

10-28-2004, 06:47 AM	#1
Dagrims Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 3,827	Thoughts of a Yankees Fan Was it the greatest comeback ever, or the greatest choke ever, or both? It really doesn't matter, honestly. Sincere congratulations to the Red Sox for crushing the Cardinals and getting a 86 year old monkey off their back. That sentence just reminded me of my grandparents making whoopee, but I digress. I don't like the Sox, never liked the Sox, and have been a Yankees fan since 1976. I respect the Sox, however, and it's time to recognize the fact that they're the best team in the AL East right now. It's going to be a long offseason for Yankees management, and I expect there will be some significant changes in the roster. I believe there are less than 110 days until pitchers and catchers report. __________________ "Read books, get brain." Last edited by Dagrims; 10-28-2004 at 03:11 PM. Reason: never was good with math

10-28-2004, 07:05 AM	#2
JerseyPride All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2003 Location: Dirtay Jerzey Posts: 951	Thoughts of a Yankee fan? __________________ "I guess you could call the Yanks my daddys." -Pedro Martinez

10-28-2004, 09:32 AM	#3
CommishJoe Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,238	That pretty much sums it up. The Yankees really needed to go into rebuilding mode after 2002. But, with Steinbrenner at the helm, we'll never go into rebuilding mode. Which means our minors will always suck, and we'll always have big names who had their best years already on the team. In any case, it was obvious who wanted this more. The Yankees just looked flat after game 3, and it was pretty pitiful. Their personality sucks, and just doesn't have what it takes to win it all. Gawd, I miss the late 90s teams. Congrads to the Sox. They definately deserved this championship. I hated watching Manny and Pedro celebrate, but Schilling, Ortiz, Foulke, Millar, Mueller, and heck even Roberts deserved it too much to root against the Sox just because of those 2 idiots. __________________ Joe Success isn’t owned. It’s leased. And rent is due every day.

10-28-2004, 09:38 AM	#4
draven085 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,074	Honestly, who gives a **** what any Yankees fan thinks right now?

10-28-2004, 10:33 AM	#9
CMH Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,057	I don't see the problem with this thread (though I'm sure I'll be ridiculed for that comment based on my name alone). The season is over and the Red Sox won. Now a Yankee fan is asking what New York will do as a result of this "travesty" (in the eyes of some New Yorkers and most importantly, George Steinbrenner). This thread could have easily been about the Chicago Cubs and their plans for the next season while congratulating the Sox for a championship.

10-28-2004, 10:37 AM	#10
draven085 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,074	I'll be the first to admit that I can be over-sensitive when it comes to Yankees related issues. If I over-reacted then I apologize, but this thread did rub me the wrong way.

10-28-2004, 11:11 AM	#13
sixto Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,265	Let's be fair, Dagrims' congratulations were not complete. A "sincere" congratulations to the Red Sox often does not also include the sentence "I don't like the Sox, I have never liked the Sox." I am not a Yankees fan but I live in Yankee area. I'm not speaking for draven, but he has it even worse, living in north Jersey as he does and being a Sox fan. No doubt he has had to endure a bevy of "**** the Red Sox" type comments the last couple weeks from co-workers and even people he stands in line with at the supermarket. I know I've heard them. Many Yankee fans are exceptionally rude about the Red Sox in this area. That is undeniable. And a lot of Yankees fans are walking around today saying, "Yawn, one world championship in the last 86 years, call me again when you win 20 more." I think it's easy to see that is a dagger in the heart of fans who are genuinely floored by what they have just experienced. It's like saying to an 8-year old who gets his first Little League hit, "Yeah, nice kid, let me know if you ever manage to jack one over a 350-foot fence." You think that kid wouldn't feel hurt? I hope y'all can patch up your differences. I'm not saying draven was justified - but I am saying it's not hard to see why he'd be hurt by your comments.

10-28-2004, 11:16 AM	#14
CMH Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,057	I never knew draven lived in New Jersey. In all honesty, that puts a lot into perspective. I now feel like I can understand these and past comments a bit more. Yankee fans can be a**holes. I do feel sorry for the pain you go through every day.

10-28-2004, 11:46 AM	#18
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	I think you're all explaining too much and not understanding anything. Be happy.