All-Time Roster Project for OOTP6

GForce · 07-29-2004, 06:40 PM

I have begun work updating my All-Time Roster Project for OOTP6. I'm adding more negro league players and Japanese players for use in the first June draft, and am also going to add more players to each team. Obviously, I will be looking at the ratings differences in converting from OOTP5 to v6 and seeing what needs to be adjusted.

I hope to have a version out within the next couple of weeks for people to review and offer feedback on. The v5 version was received very well, so hopefully this will be also.

The project includes:
-- 28 teams, two leagues (American & National).

-- Teams are the 26 before the last 4 expansion teams, one team comprised of players from the last 4 expansion teams, and the "Washington Senators," which is made up of Negro League stars and a few Japanese stars as well.

-- Players are rated to correlate to performance in "80's style" baseball. Frank "Home Run" Baker will not hit a max of 12 home runs in a season as he did in his career, but closer to 30-40 to reflect the difference in generation. These guys aren't just imported, but studied and rated accordingly to make a true universe rated on the same scale. Without doing that, a set like this just doesn't work, IMO.

-- Ages reflect when a player played. More recent players are younger. This creates an interesting dynamic as teams need to decide if they will hold on to a veteran if a good young player is coming up behind him, making franchise play a real joy in my eyes. For example, with my age variations, Jimmie Foxx is 29, right in his prime. Mark McGwire is 19. Jason Giambi 18. In 4 years, or when Foxx hits free agency, do the A's let him go to let one of the kids replace him. Do they trade him?

A better scenario...the Yankees have a 28 year old Joe DiMaggio and a 25 year old Mickey Mantle. Do they deal one of them to try to bring back young pitching, for example. Same with Yogi Berra/Bill Dickey (after all, I do not have a DH in this file, so the time needs to get split somewhere).

What about a team like the Mets, which has some potentially great pitching talent (remember, the Mets, because of the age variation, are full of very young guys...Seaver is only 22) but VERY little in the way of offense? Are they willing to part with that to improve at one or even two offensive positions? (in one sim they dealt Seaver to the Pirates for Clemente and veteran second baseman George Grantham, a deal that helped both sides as the Pirates are offensively strong but pitching challenged).

I've seen projects like this that have done things like make everyone 20 or something of that nature in order to have everyone have a long career. The problem with that is there is only so much playing time to go around. Some guys would never get an opportunity. My hope is that this method makes someone have to work to be on top. Each division seems to have a defined top and bottom, except the AL East which is strong top to bottom except the Blue Jays, whose youth in a division that includes the Yanks, Orioles, Tigers, Indians, Red Sox and Negro Leaguers (each of whom finished above .500 in my last sim). You want a project...take the Padres, Mariners or combined expansion teams and try to make them winners.

As for my ratings, everything has been adjusted by me based on the era a player played in, much in the fashion of my TotalMinors work, running players against their respective league numbers for the time they played. This doesn't just mean batting and pitching numbers, but running speed and defensive ratings as well. These are then adjusted for the age the player will be based on my formulas. For example, while still effective, Cy Young has started the downside (he's 36), but is still a top pitcher...for now. If you're running the Red Sox, do you keep him in your rotation, or do you deal him for help in other areas. Though younger, Christy Mathewson, Walter Johnson, Ty Cobb...all in their 30s. How do you handle them?

The only guys I didn't do a set age thing for were the Negro League/Japanese players. I wanted to give them a bit of luck of the draw, and the chance for a longer career. So they have random ages, none older than 30, most in their early 20s. Also, by no means are all the top Negro Leaguers included. In fact, many aren't, so they could be dispersed, with more being included for the draft. I took a top 5 of sorts (Josh Gibson, Oscar Charleston, Turkey Stearnes, Satchel Paige and Buck Leonard) and then filled the rest with random players from the top 10 lists by position in Bill James' Historical Abstract. Martin Dihigo, Heavy Johnson, Louis Santop, Bullet Joe Rogan...luck of the draw brought them in. But many others are outside...for now.

GH

rasnell · 07-30-2004, 05:23 AM

Love this idea.

GForce · 08-01-2004, 06:44 PM

You can check how the rosters currently look Here

If you look under the first-year player draft, you'll see Negro League guys I've already done for the June draft of the first year. Still need to do outfielders and pitchers.

Also, the conversion from OOTP5 seems, upon first glance, to be OK with current ratings but have done a number on talent ratings. So I'm going to need to go through and adjust accordingly.

Any feedback on what you see, what you want to know...whatever, basically, is welcome.

GH

rasnell · 08-02-2004, 05:27 AM

Quick glance and I noticed Ryne Sandberg is missing from the Cub infield.

jmm8356 · 08-02-2004, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rasnell

Quick glance and I noticed Ryne Sandberg is missing from the Cub infield.

Actually, he's still in AA, because he's only 20 (being a more recent player).

rasnell · 08-02-2004, 10:25 AM

Thanks, Jmm. Based on that, I assume that you don't need to import rookies for several years when you play these rosters?

GForce · 08-02-2004, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rasnell

Thanks, Jmm. Based on that, I assume that you don't need to import rookies for several years when you play these rosters?

No, that's the point of it. They'll already be there, just the more recent guys will be in the minors (except the most recent teams, which makes managing them quite a task).

GH

GForce · 08-03-2004, 05:40 PM

Negro leaguers for the June draft have been created for each position except pitcher, as have Japanese catchers and first basemen. Should knock out middle infielders tonight.

GH

GForce · 08-09-2004, 06:30 PM

Sorry for lack of an update for the past week, but a personal issue has detained me for the time being. Should be back to it shortly.

GH

Groovercat · 10-06-2004, 04:58 PM

Do you have this roster set available for downloading. Would love to help work on editing. Have a similar set.

eric

EricOOTP@gmail.com

halofan26 · 10-06-2004, 06:31 PM

GForce, i would be more than happy to host your roster set if you want?

bostonbaseball86 · 10-09-2004, 07:39 AM

Hey... did this roster ever get released? I am dying to get my hands on it but I can't find it... if someone has it and can email me it at matty86@gmail.com or post a link thatd be great....

GForce · 10-18-2004, 08:15 PM

Hey all...sorry. Life has been VERY hectic. Pregnant wife having complications, redoing the house, son was hospitalized, working a LOT...just very busy.

I will certainly post this when it's done. But there are lots of ratings revisions that need to be made upon conversion, and I also need to add some more Japanese players. In particular, I need to hammer out some pitchers.

I have no timeline on this, as I really haven't been playing OOTP for quite a while. I do expect to do it, but that's the best I can tell you.

GH

ZXLT · 10-22-2004, 04:39 PM

Good luck with everything that's going on in your life. Hope everything works out for the best.

Thanks.

Burto1945 · 12-20-2004, 02:50 PM

Gforce--

I hope everything is going OK in your life. I have been waiting patiently for this set, but if things are still hectic, I completely understand. The important thing is for everyone to be healthy. Take care, and get to the set whenever you can find any time, if possible.

RJolley · 12-20-2004, 03:41 PM

Just curious....where did you get the Negro League stats from?

Hope everything improves in your personal life.

GForce · 12-21-2004, 07:13 PM

Hi all,

First, thanks for the kind words and thoughts. Thankfully things are great. My son was born Nov. 19 after a long and very difficult pregnancy for my wife. Both are doing well though. My other son (the one in my avatar) was also in the hospital for 10 days in early November, so basically since early October has been an absolute blur.

I would LOVE to do this project, and hopefully I'll chip away a bit more at it after the holidays. The conversion from OOTP5 to OOTP6 did some havoc with some ratings and I need to go back in and check some of those out. I also have more Japanese and Negro League players to add for the next year's draft. I likely won't be getting OOTP7, so any work I do will be in OOTP6. If it converts well to v7, great, but I won't be working on it for that version.

Thanks for the interest and the patience.

GH

GForce · 12-29-2004, 11:26 PM

Quick update,

I have added 45 Japanese pitchers to be eligible for the June draft. They will join dozens of Negro Leaguers and Japanese position players to better assimilate them throughout the league. I have Negro League pitchers to add next (other than those already assigned to the Washington franchise). Once I add those guys to the draft list I will release another version.

Then it will be on to tweaking guys in the set whose ratings were messed up on the transfer from OOTP5 (when this project began) to OOTP6.

My hope is to have the Negro League pitchers added to the draft list, and then release a new version, in 1-2 weeks.

GH

GForce · 12-31-2004, 09:53 PM

Upon further review, I will not be releasing a new version until I've gone over ratings. Just too many things that look off with the change in the ratings system. A version with too many problems doesn't help anyone.

I will be updating here on my status frequently now that I'm back at work on this. Any questions or comments about any players or the project as a whole, please let me know.

GH

GForce · 01-01-2005, 06:35 PM

OK, good news on the ratings update front...

I have been able to alter the spreadsheets I used to develop the ratings for the OOTP5 engine into sheets that convert to the new engine without having to re-enter all the stat info to spit out the ratings. I should have ratings spreadsheets to work off of for pitchers (I assume hitters will come as easily) by the end of the weekend and I can begin updating them then.

GH

07-29-2004, 06:40 PM	#1
GForce Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,458 Infractions: 0/2 (2)	All-Time Roster Project for OOTP6 I have begun work updating my All-Time Roster Project for OOTP6. I'm adding more negro league players and Japanese players for use in the first June draft, and am also going to add more players to each team. Obviously, I will be looking at the ratings differences in converting from OOTP5 to v6 and seeing what needs to be adjusted. I hope to have a version out within the next couple of weeks for people to review and offer feedback on. The v5 version was received very well, so hopefully this will be also. The project includes: -- 28 teams, two leagues (American & National). -- Teams are the 26 before the last 4 expansion teams, one team comprised of players from the last 4 expansion teams, and the "Washington Senators," which is made up of Negro League stars and a few Japanese stars as well. -- Players are rated to correlate to performance in "80's style" baseball. Frank "Home Run" Baker will not hit a max of 12 home runs in a season as he did in his career, but closer to 30-40 to reflect the difference in generation. These guys aren't just imported, but studied and rated accordingly to make a true universe rated on the same scale. Without doing that, a set like this just doesn't work, IMO. -- Ages reflect when a player played. More recent players are younger. This creates an interesting dynamic as teams need to decide if they will hold on to a veteran if a good young player is coming up behind him, making franchise play a real joy in my eyes. For example, with my age variations, Jimmie Foxx is 29, right in his prime. Mark McGwire is 19. Jason Giambi 18. In 4 years, or when Foxx hits free agency, do the A's let him go to let one of the kids replace him. Do they trade him? A better scenario...the Yankees have a 28 year old Joe DiMaggio and a 25 year old Mickey Mantle. Do they deal one of them to try to bring back young pitching, for example. Same with Yogi Berra/Bill Dickey (after all, I do not have a DH in this file, so the time needs to get split somewhere). What about a team like the Mets, which has some potentially great pitching talent (remember, the Mets, because of the age variation, are full of very young guys...Seaver is only 22) but VERY little in the way of offense? Are they willing to part with that to improve at one or even two offensive positions? (in one sim they dealt Seaver to the Pirates for Clemente and veteran second baseman George Grantham, a deal that helped both sides as the Pirates are offensively strong but pitching challenged). I've seen projects like this that have done things like make everyone 20 or something of that nature in order to have everyone have a long career. The problem with that is there is only so much playing time to go around. Some guys would never get an opportunity. My hope is that this method makes someone have to work to be on top. Each division seems to have a defined top and bottom, except the AL East which is strong top to bottom except the Blue Jays, whose youth in a division that includes the Yanks, Orioles, Tigers, Indians, Red Sox and Negro Leaguers (each of whom finished above .500 in my last sim). You want a project...take the Padres, Mariners or combined expansion teams and try to make them winners. As for my ratings, everything has been adjusted by me based on the era a player played in, much in the fashion of my TotalMinors work, running players against their respective league numbers for the time they played. This doesn't just mean batting and pitching numbers, but running speed and defensive ratings as well. These are then adjusted for the age the player will be based on my formulas. For example, while still effective, Cy Young has started the downside (he's 36), but is still a top pitcher...for now. If you're running the Red Sox, do you keep him in your rotation, or do you deal him for help in other areas. Though younger, Christy Mathewson, Walter Johnson, Ty Cobb...all in their 30s. How do you handle them? The only guys I didn't do a set age thing for were the Negro League/Japanese players. I wanted to give them a bit of luck of the draw, and the chance for a longer career. So they have random ages, none older than 30, most in their early 20s. Also, by no means are all the top Negro Leaguers included. In fact, many aren't, so they could be dispersed, with more being included for the draft. I took a top 5 of sorts (Josh Gibson, Oscar Charleston, Turkey Stearnes, Satchel Paige and Buck Leonard) and then filled the rest with random players from the top 10 lists by position in Bill James' Historical Abstract. Martin Dihigo, Heavy Johnson, Louis Santop, Bullet Joe Rogan...luck of the draw brought them in. But many others are outside...for now. GH

08-02-2004, 05:27 AM	#4
rasnell Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Frankfort, Kentucky Posts: 3,746	Ryne Sandberg missing from Cubs Quick glance and I noticed Ryne Sandberg is missing from the Cub infield.

10-06-2004, 04:58 PM	#10
Groovercat Bat Boy Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 18	Download Do you have this roster set available for downloading. Would love to help work on editing. Have a similar set. eric EricOOTP@gmail.com

10-06-2004, 06:31 PM	#11
halofan26 All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Anaheim, Ca Posts: 1,491	GForce, i would be more than happy to host your roster set if you want? __________________ Mike Lambert Sim League Central President Home of the Halofan roster set THE best baseball info and fan site ever The best Angels fan site "Because i got high" - Afroman

07-30-2004, 05:23 AM	#2
rasnell Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Frankfort, Kentucky Posts: 3,746	Love this idea.

08-01-2004, 06:44 PM	#3
GForce Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,458 Infractions: 0/2 (2)	You can check how the rosters currently look Here If you look under the first-year player draft, you'll see Negro League guys I've already done for the June draft of the first year. Still need to do outfielders and pitchers. Also, the conversion from OOTP5 seems, upon first glance, to be OK with current ratings but have done a number on talent ratings. So I'm going to need to go through and adjust accordingly. Any feedback on what you see, what you want to know...whatever, basically, is welcome. GH

08-02-2004, 10:25 AM	#6
rasnell Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Frankfort, Kentucky Posts: 3,746	Thanks, Jmm. Based on that, I assume that you don't need to import rookies for several years when you play these rosters?

08-03-2004, 05:40 PM	#8
GForce Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,458 Infractions: 0/2 (2)	Negro leaguers for the June draft have been created for each position except pitcher, as have Japanese catchers and first basemen. Should knock out middle infielders tonight. GH

08-09-2004, 06:30 PM	#9
GForce Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,458 Infractions: 0/2 (2)	Sorry for lack of an update for the past week, but a personal issue has detained me for the time being. Should be back to it shortly. GH

10-09-2004, 07:39 AM	#12
bostonbaseball86 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mass Posts: 128	Hey... did this roster ever get released? I am dying to get my hands on it but I can't find it... if someone has it and can email me it at matty86@gmail.com or post a link thatd be great....

10-18-2004, 08:15 PM	#13
GForce Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,458 Infractions: 0/2 (2)	Hey all...sorry. Life has been VERY hectic. Pregnant wife having complications, redoing the house, son was hospitalized, working a LOT...just very busy. I will certainly post this when it's done. But there are lots of ratings revisions that need to be made upon conversion, and I also need to add some more Japanese players. In particular, I need to hammer out some pitchers. I have no timeline on this, as I really haven't been playing OOTP for quite a while. I do expect to do it, but that's the best I can tell you. GH

10-22-2004, 04:39 PM	#14
ZXLT Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oregon Posts: 261	Good luck with everything that's going on in your life. Hope everything works out for the best. Thanks.

12-20-2004, 02:50 PM	#15
Burto1945 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Springfield, IL Posts: 144	Gforce-- I hope everything is going OK in your life. I have been waiting patiently for this set, but if things are still hectic, I completely understand. The important thing is for everyone to be healthy. Take care, and get to the set whenever you can find any time, if possible.

12-20-2004, 03:41 PM	#16
RJolley Major Leagues Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 334	Just curious....where did you get the Negro League stats from? Hope everything improves in your personal life.

12-21-2004, 07:13 PM	#17
GForce Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,458 Infractions: 0/2 (2)	Hi all, First, thanks for the kind words and thoughts. Thankfully things are great. My son was born Nov. 19 after a long and very difficult pregnancy for my wife. Both are doing well though. My other son (the one in my avatar) was also in the hospital for 10 days in early November, so basically since early October has been an absolute blur. I would LOVE to do this project, and hopefully I'll chip away a bit more at it after the holidays. The conversion from OOTP5 to OOTP6 did some havoc with some ratings and I need to go back in and check some of those out. I also have more Japanese and Negro League players to add for the next year's draft. I likely won't be getting OOTP7, so any work I do will be in OOTP6. If it converts well to v7, great, but I won't be working on it for that version. Thanks for the interest and the patience. GH

12-29-2004, 11:26 PM	#18
GForce Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,458 Infractions: 0/2 (2)	Quick update, I have added 45 Japanese pitchers to be eligible for the June draft. They will join dozens of Negro Leaguers and Japanese position players to better assimilate them throughout the league. I have Negro League pitchers to add next (other than those already assigned to the Washington franchise). Once I add those guys to the draft list I will release another version. Then it will be on to tweaking guys in the set whose ratings were messed up on the transfer from OOTP5 (when this project began) to OOTP6. My hope is to have the Negro League pitchers added to the draft list, and then release a new version, in 1-2 weeks. GH

12-31-2004, 09:53 PM	#19
GForce Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,458 Infractions: 0/2 (2)	Upon further review, I will not be releasing a new version until I've gone over ratings. Just too many things that look off with the change in the ratings system. A version with too many problems doesn't help anyone. I will be updating here on my status frequently now that I'm back at work on this. Any questions or comments about any players or the project as a whole, please let me know. GH

01-01-2005, 06:35 PM	#20
GForce Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,458 Infractions: 0/2 (2)	OK, good news on the ratings update front... I have been able to alter the spreadsheets I used to develop the ratings for the OOTP5 engine into sheets that convert to the new engine without having to re-enter all the stat info to spit out the ratings. I should have ratings spreadsheets to work off of for pitchers (I assume hitters will come as easily) by the end of the weekend and I can begin updating them then. GH