Not getting correct stats in catobase

[disposableheros]

The only major thing ive noticed is that the Pennants-WS are not getting counted on the Team Index page.

Also, I realize that this is a stats intensive product doing multiple processes so errors are bound to be made, but there are lots of stats off by 1%-2% throughout my League and Player pages. What could be causing this and is there anything I can do to correct/prevent it?

and just a little question...Team Leaderboards, Team Tab, Losses...shouldn't stats be switched...ie. "Best" should be least losses and "Worst" should be most losses

[disposableheros]

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[Chappy]

1. What is your league's setup? I know if you have a single-division league where the top two teams in a division make the playoffs, the team that finishes first gets credit for a pennant, and then the series winner also gets credit. So teams that finish first and then advance to the WS get credit for 2 pennants in once season. I've not noticed any problems in standard setups though. Remember that only the league champion gets credit for the pennant, not all the division winners.

2. Can you give some examples? From what I've seen, the Catobase tracks stats very accurately. When I've noticed differences in totals in the Catobase and OOTP, OOTP is the one that is wrong.

[disposableheros]

2 leagues 4 div 4 teams (32 total teams) 163 games played

the very first season both pennants were logged and championship was logged, 3 years ago no teams got a pennant (series winner logged) and for the last 2 only the championship series winner got a pennant logged

and im not sure how Cato could get the right stat and OOTP get it wrong when Cato pulls from the game? can you explain?

[gmo]

Originally Posted by disposableheros

Also, I realize that this is a stats intensive product doing multiple processes so errors are bound to be made, but there are lots of stats off by 1%-2% throughout my League and Player pages. What could be causing this and is there anything I can do to correct/prevent it?

I always pass this off as players involved in transactions not having their stats divided up among teams absolutely perfectly. I'm amazed it comes out as well as it does as it seems a Herculean task, and Jeff continues to improve it over time, but it's tough when everything is so good to not want utter perfection. "164 GS by my pitchers, and 160 GS by my 3B? Aww, man. "

What kind of player stats being off do you see? More than just career stats that are more accurately calculated than in OOTP? Like stats from individual seasons?

[Chappy]

Originally Posted by disposableheros

2 leagues 4 div 4 teams (32 total teams) 163 games played

the very first season both pennants were logged and championship was logged, 3 years ago no teams got a pennant (series winner logged) and for the last 2 only the championship series winner got a pennant logged

I've never done a 4-division league, but my guess is the extra round of playoffs is throwing the program off. You might want to go to www.equalnicity.com and fill out a support ticket.

Originally Posted by disposableheros

and im not sure how Cato could get the right stat and OOTP get it wrong when Cato pulls from the game? can you explain

I think Catobase pulls the raw stats from the game, but does it's own calculations for percentages & averages. That is why Catobase correctly calculates career OBP while OOTP does not.

Also, as GMO says above, I have noticed instances where GS totals for people on teams can be off when there have been trades made...

[disposableheros]

Originally Posted by Chappy

I've never done a 4-division league, but my guess is the extra round of playoffs is throwing the program off.

no extra round of playoffs...3 series just like normal and it was fine the first year

[jcato]

If you send me the data files and some specific examples for one season, I'll take a look and see what's happening.

Chappy is correct that I import the raw stats and calculate the rate stats. That's why OBP (and OPS) is correct in CatoBase and not in OOTP. OOTP doesn't keep HBP or SH after the current season.

Team totals won't be exact because OOTP doesn't do anything to split a players stats across multiple teams. CatoBase tries to figure it out, but if a player plays and is traded on the same day, there is no way to know which happened first.

Anyway, send me the files and I'll try to either explain why it's different or fix CatoBase if there's a problem.

[disposableheros]

Originally Posted by gmo

I always pass this off as players involved in transactions not having their stats divided up among teams absolutely perfectly. I'm amazed it comes out as well as it does as it seems a Herculean task

i feel this way too. im not so worried that i want to take the time to dig through and find examples. just thought if there was something i could easily do, i would.

but the pennant thing is troublesome. i remember who won now, but 25 seasons later i might not. is there something i can do about this?

[Chappy]

Originally Posted by disposableheros

no extra round of playoffs...3 series just like normal and it was fine the first year

You're right. I was thinking I read somewhere that Catobase wasn't thoroughly tested for 4-division leagues, and I was thinking they would have an extra round that might throw the Catobase off. But 3-division leagues would have 3 rounds too, thanks to the wild card. What the heck and I thinking?!?!?

[Chappy]

Originally Posted by disposableheros

but the pennant thing is troublesome. i remember who won now, but 25 seasons later i might not. is there something i can do about this?

Luckily, you can always find that info on the yearly league pages.