Patch 6.02A makes game run slower?

Cowboys3356 · 05-26-2004, 04:12 PM

Has anyone else found that after installing the 6.02a patch that OOTP is running alot slower? The games are taking much longer to sim and it seems to "stick" on the "Finishing Day" section of the simulation.

Doc

slic1149 · 05-26-2004, 04:21 PM

Sim speed of games is about the same. Day finished takes about 30 seconds to complete and Week finished takes about 60 seconds to complete. Glad someone else noticed also.

Cooker · 05-26-2004, 07:13 PM

I'm just guessing here. But Markus said he tweaked the AI process that applies to irrevocable waivers, etc.

Is it possible that adding more AI analysis for CPU controlled teams for irrevocable waivers, etc., has slowed down each day?

Tavarin · 05-26-2004, 07:14 PM

Yeah, I noticed this problem too

kingcharlesxii · 05-26-2004, 07:17 PM

It doesn't seem noticeably slower to me.

sporr · 05-26-2004, 07:18 PM

Not slower on my end.

crackpott · 05-26-2004, 07:27 PM

Perhaps you people should be posting system specs... most importantly OS.

kingcharlesxii · 05-26-2004, 07:29 PM

Good idea.

P4-2.4
512 MB
Windows XP

Result: Not noticeably slower

slic1149 · 05-26-2004, 07:34 PM

p4 1.5
256meg
Windows me

Game started to run much slower after patch 6.02 and even slower after patch 6.02a. Day finished times are now almost a minute and a half and week finished run about 2 minutes.

franco74 · 05-26-2004, 07:59 PM

p4 2.53
1024 ram
windows xp

not slower here

darrylr · 05-26-2004, 08:03 PM

I think there is definitely a problem unless Markus really did intend to use up that much CPU power with the AI changes. My system is pretty fast:

P4 3.2C running at DDR400 with 1GB of PC3700 RAM and a Radeon 9800 Pro video card (Windows XP SP1)

I have a 40 team test league that I use to testing ratings. I have simmed this league 100's of times on 6.01 and it takes about 6 minutes to do the whole regular season.

I just ran the same league with 6.02a and things didn't seem too bad until Sept rolled around. Day ends in Sept take about 12 seconds on my machine and Week ends are 25 seconds. The whole season takes about 15 minutes now (about 2.5x what it was with 6.01). I suspect it is related to all the callups and the AI associated with them.

I doubt he intended it to take 25 seconds for a P4 3.2 to finish a week but maybe there is that much more computation going on. We'll have to see what Markus thinks.

-Darryl

JamesOOTP · 05-26-2004, 09:04 PM

Much slower.

1.8 GHZ
512 RAM

After finishing day it takes 30-35 seconds
whereas before 3-5 seconds

deadringer · 05-26-2004, 09:07 PM

I don't know about slow but mine just crashes on a season I used just a few minutes ago!

Dargone · 05-26-2004, 09:32 PM

Yes, much slower here as well.

2.8GHZ
1GB RAM
Windows XP

All drivers/windows up to date.

Game sim seems the same but end of day and week is much slower...

rasnell · 05-26-2004, 09:36 PM

Much slower than previous version, to the point of not being worth adding the patch.

Also have a previously working league that crashes and won't run with the patch. All the other leagues work.

1.4 GHZ
512 RAM
Win ME (I know, I know, OOTP no longer works on Model T software)

Cowboys3356 · 05-26-2004, 09:43 PM

System specs do not matter. The game ran extremely fast prior to the 6.02A patch and now it runs very slow. The patch should not slow down the game that much, there must be a glitch in the program. I warn others to wait another day or two and see if Markus issues another patch to fix this problem.

crackpott · 05-26-2004, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cowboys3356
System specs do not matter. The game ran extremely fast prior to the 6.02A patch and now it runs very slow. The patch should not slow down the game that much, there must be a glitch in the program. I warn others to wait another day or two and see if Markus issues another patch to fix this problem.

...If it's not running slow for EVERYONE, yes, they do matter. Only when the game no longer interacts with the OS or the rest of the system to they not matter.

So, when Markus releases the handheld version of OOTP, you'll be right. Until then, it would probably help the developers to find out on what system this is happening.

darrylr · 05-26-2004, 09:54 PM

Everyone who says they don't see any change...

Did you run a full season and do you have it so that you can have the expanded major league roster in September? On my system I didn't really see any change until Sept. 1. It took about 5 minutes to sim to the end of August but 10 minutes to do just Sept. on my machine.

-Darryl

Tekneek · 05-26-2004, 09:55 PM

XP Home - 1.67 gHz Athlon - 512 MB

I don't have real numbers, because I never measured it, but it *seems* to be at least 3 times slower than before. It is actually running more like 6.01 with anti-virus on, except anti-virus is off.

crackpott · 05-26-2004, 10:00 PM

I'm thinking it might be slower on mine, but I'm not sure, so it's likely just a placebo effect. If it is slower, it's not nearly as noticable as many make it out to be.

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05-26-2004, 04:12 PM	#1
Cowboys3356 All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,572	Patch 6.02A makes game run slower? Has anyone else found that after installing the 6.02a patch that OOTP is running alot slower? The games are taking much longer to sim and it seems to "stick" on the "Finishing Day" section of the simulation. Doc

05-26-2004, 04:21 PM	#2
slic1149 Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 348	Sim speed of games is about the same. Day finished takes about 30 seconds to complete and Week finished takes about 60 seconds to complete. Glad someone else noticed also. __________________ To laugh often and love much, to appreciate beauty, to find the best in others, to give one's self, this is to have succeeded. - Ralph Waldo Emerson

05-26-2004, 07:17 PM	#5
kingcharlesxii Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,730	It doesn't seem noticeably slower to me. __________________ OTBA - Stockholm Royal Squirrels of Sweden OOTP Grand League Champion 2015

05-26-2004, 07:27 PM	#7
crackpott Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,961	Perhaps you people should be posting system specs... most importantly OS. __________________ Abandoned Planet - Check it out. The photos don't suck anymore.

05-26-2004, 07:13 PM	#3
Cooker All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 592	I'm just guessing here. But Markus said he tweaked the AI process that applies to irrevocable waivers, etc. Is it possible that adding more AI analysis for CPU controlled teams for irrevocable waivers, etc., has slowed down each day?

05-26-2004, 07:14 PM	#4
Tavarin Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Evanston, IL Posts: 163	Yeah, I noticed this problem too

05-26-2004, 07:18 PM	#6
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	Not slower on my end.

05-26-2004, 07:29 PM	#8
kingcharlesxii Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,730	Good idea. P4-2.4 512 MB Windows XP Result: Not noticeably slower __________________ OTBA - Stockholm Royal Squirrels of Sweden OOTP Grand League Champion 2015

05-26-2004, 07:34 PM	#9
slic1149 Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 348	p4 1.5 256meg Windows me Game started to run much slower after patch 6.02 and even slower after patch 6.02a. Day finished times are now almost a minute and a half and week finished run about 2 minutes. __________________ To laugh often and love much, to appreciate beauty, to find the best in others, to give one's self, this is to have succeeded. - Ralph Waldo Emerson

05-26-2004, 07:59 PM	#10
franco74 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: california Posts: 117	p4 2.53 1024 ram windows xp not slower here

05-26-2004, 08:03 PM	#11
darrylr Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 89	I think there is definitely a problem unless Markus really did intend to use up that much CPU power with the AI changes. My system is pretty fast: P4 3.2C running at DDR400 with 1GB of PC3700 RAM and a Radeon 9800 Pro video card (Windows XP SP1) I have a 40 team test league that I use to testing ratings. I have simmed this league 100's of times on 6.01 and it takes about 6 minutes to do the whole regular season. I just ran the same league with 6.02a and things didn't seem too bad until Sept rolled around. Day ends in Sept take about 12 seconds on my machine and Week ends are 25 seconds. The whole season takes about 15 minutes now (about 2.5x what it was with 6.01). I suspect it is related to all the callups and the AI associated with them. I doubt he intended it to take 25 seconds for a P4 3.2 to finish a week but maybe there is that much more computation going on. We'll have to see what Markus thinks. -Darryl

05-26-2004, 09:04 PM	#12
JamesOOTP Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 81	Much slower. 1.8 GHZ 512 RAM After finishing day it takes 30-35 seconds whereas before 3-5 seconds

05-26-2004, 09:07 PM	#13
deadringer All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: La Grande, Oregon Posts: 994	I don't know about slow but mine just crashes on a season I used just a few minutes ago!

05-26-2004, 09:32 PM	#14
Dargone Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Interwebs Posts: 2,862	Yes, much slower here as well. 2.8GHZ 1GB RAM Windows XP All drivers/windows up to date. Game sim seems the same but end of day and week is much slower... __________________ I was never one to patiently pick up broken fragments and glue them together again and tell myself that the mended whole was as good as new. What is broken is broken -- and I'd rather remember it as it was at its best than mend it and see the broken places as long as I lived.-Margaret Mitchell

05-26-2004, 09:36 PM	#15
rasnell Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Frankfort, Kentucky Posts: 3,746	Much slower than previous version, to the point of not being worth adding the patch. Also have a previously working league that crashes and won't run with the patch. All the other leagues work. 1.4 GHZ 512 RAM Win ME (I know, I know, OOTP no longer works on Model T software) __________________ Charlie Root won more games for the Cubs than any pitcher (201), yet was remembered for one pitch to Babe Ruth. Find out more about the 1929 World Series in my book, "Root for the Cubs: Charlie Root and the 1929 Chicago Cubs." See the web site at www.rootforthecubs.com. The book is at http://www.amazon.com/Root-Cubs-Char...t+for+the+cubs. Beta tester, OOTP 2007-2023 and iOOTP 2011-2014.

05-26-2004, 09:43 PM	#16
Cowboys3356 All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,572	System specs do not matter. The game ran extremely fast prior to the 6.02A patch and now it runs very slow. The patch should not slow down the game that much, there must be a glitch in the program. I warn others to wait another day or two and see if Markus issues another patch to fix this problem.

05-26-2004, 09:54 PM	#18
darrylr Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 89	Everyone who says they don't see any change... Did you run a full season and do you have it so that you can have the expanded major league roster in September? On my system I didn't really see any change until Sept. 1. It took about 5 minutes to sim to the end of August but 10 minutes to do just Sept. on my machine. -Darryl

05-26-2004, 09:55 PM	#19
Tekneek Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: GA, USA Posts: 455	XP Home - 1.67 gHz Athlon - 512 MB I don't have real numbers, because I never measured it, but it seems to be at least 3 times slower than before. It is actually running more like 6.01 with anti-virus on, except anti-virus is off.

05-26-2004, 10:00 PM	#20
crackpott Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,961	I'm thinking it might be slower on mine, but I'm not sure, so it's likely just a placebo effect. If it is slower, it's not nearly as noticable as many make it out to be. __________________ Abandoned Planet - Check it out. The photos don't suck anymore.