Catobase World Series error

Danny Reaves · 05-14-2004, 10:35 AM

I'm new to Catobase, and I've used it successfully for four seasons. This past season just completed and I went through the normal procedure to run the program After it finished I checked it out and found a problem. According to Catobase, my 1943 World Series was between the New York Yankees and the Chicago White Sox. However, the Series was actually the Yankees versus the Cubs.
The Cubs won the Sereis 4 games to three. But on the AL stats and leaders page it shows the White Sox over the Yanks.

Now, another twist is that on the league index page it correctly shows the Yankees versus the Cubs, but shows that the Yankees won the series 4-3. The team index gives the Cubs credit for winning the pennant but not the series, and gives the White Sox no pennant but a series win.

The Cubs team abbreviation is CHC, and the Sox is CWS. That has never changed. Does anyone have a clue as to what may have caused this?

Danny Reaves · 05-24-2004, 04:07 PM

**bump**

I never got a reply on my original thread so I thought I would try again with a little more information.

It appears that catobase is intermixing events among teams with the same city name. In addition to the Chicago problem mentioned in my other post, both New York teams transations are intermixed. And on occasion, a player's history may be altered. For example, a guy that plays for the New York Giants may be shown as playing for the Yankees in his batting history.

Any help would be appreciated.

gordyhulten · 05-24-2004, 05:33 PM

Do the teams that are being confused have different abbreviations? Example: Cubs = CHC and WS = CHW?

Do the abbreviations contain any strange characters, like parenthesis? Example: CH(A) and CH(N) -- (I don't know if this might cause a problem, just curious)

Danny Reaves · 05-24-2004, 06:08 PM

Thanks for the reply gordy.

Here is the team breakdown as I have them in OOTP

New York Yankees - abbreviation NYY
New york Giants - abbreveviation NYG
Chicago White Sox - abbreviation CWS
ChiCago Cubs - abbreveiation CHC

I intentionally use a lower case y for the Giants and an upper case C for the Cubs so I can tell the teams apart. I've never liked the (A) or (N) notations. Maybe that is causing a glitch of some kind. I've backed up everything for several seasons, I'll change the team names and see of that makes a difference.

Cowboys3356 · 05-24-2004, 07:51 PM

You may not "like" the N or the A but I believe you need to use the correct abbreviations for the program to work correctly.

A list of the correct abbreviations can be found at:
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...+abbreviations

Best of luck!

jcato · 05-24-2004, 07:51 PM

That will make a difference. The problem is that the only place* to get the playoff results is from the league.html file. If you look at that page, you'll see the playoff section looks like this:

Quote:

Playoffs

League Series:
Detroit (4) against Jacksonville (3)
Virginia (0) against Cintawny (4)
World Championship:
Cintawny (2) against Detroit (4)
WINNER : Detroit

There is no hyperlink, so the only way to match the teams in the database is to use the team name. If you have more than 1 team with the same team name, then you have a problem with no real good solution.

So, you need to use different team names, capitalization doesn't count. If you don't like the (N)/(A) thing, you'll need to come up with something else. Maybe New York and NewYork (no space) and Chicago and Chitown?

* - Not quite true any more. I'm working a different way to get the playoff results. I'll test it with same name teams and see if it'll work. I think it will.

Deitrus · 05-24-2004, 08:13 PM

Im glad I found this thread because I havent yet completed my first season but here is what I did:

I have the followingL

San Deigo as SD (default was SDN)
San Fransisco as SF (default was SFN)
Chicago Cubs as CHC (default-CHN)
Chicago White Sox as CHW (default-CHA)
New York Yankees as NYY (default-NYA)
New York Mets as NYM (default-NYN)

There are a few others I have changed but I cannot remember them. So, I am confused here, can or cant I have these abbreviations? Or, is it best for the defaults to be used, even if it is San Deigo and San Fransisco, ect? Thanks.

jcato · 05-24-2004, 10:59 PM

You can use whatever abbreviations you want, as long as they are unique. You only need the default if you're importing rookies from one of the databases and assigning them to their original teams. If OOTP can't find their team abbreviation, it puts them in free agency. But, this has nothing to do with CatoBase.

For team names, these need to be unique, too, so that CatoBase will import the playoffs correctly.

Danny Reaves · 05-24-2004, 11:00 PM

Thanks for all the replies. So, if New York and New york are the same as far as the program is concerned, would it work if I just changed the names at the end of the season to something like you suggested, New York & NewYork, run Catobase, then change the names back to what I'm used to when I proceed to the next year?
As long as the name is different for Catobase, then I would think that an end of season name change would work. I'll try and see what happens.

Thanks again guys.

Deitrus · 05-24-2004, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jcato
You can use whatever abbreviations you want, as long as they are unique. You only need the default if you're importing rookies from one of the databases and assigning them to their original teams. If OOTP can't find their team abbreviation, it puts them in free agency. But, this has nothing to do with CatoBase.

For team names, these need to be unique, too, so that CatoBase will import the playoffs correctly.

OK, then since I am running a part fictional/ part MLB league with fictional players, I do not need to worry about this at all then? I am not using any database for my league.

gordyhulten · 05-24-2004, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Deitrus
OK, then since I am running a part fictional/ part MLB league with fictional players, I do not need to worry about this at all then? I am not using any database for my league.

I think you still need to make sure that each team has a unique name. I.e, stay away from having two teams named New York, even if they have different nicknames and abbreviations. Name them New York (X) and New York (Y) to distinguish them.

jcato · 05-25-2004, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Danny Reaves
Thanks for all the replies. So, if New York and New york are the same as far as the program is concerned, would it work if I just changed the names at the end of the season to something like you suggested, New York & NewYork, run Catobase, then change the names back to what I'm used to when I proceed to the next year?
As long as the name is different for Catobase, then I would think that an end of season name change would work. I'll try and see what happens.

Thanks again guys.

I think so. Change the names and the start the CatoBase process. Team names are used in the ltrans.html file with the same problem. So, make sure those files have the temporary team names instead of what you want to use.

Deitrus,

Right. Just make sure the abbreviation and team names are unique.

Deitrus · 05-25-2004, 08:31 PM

LOL, I feel really dumb.

So I can just leave it at this then:

Chicago (N) (abbrev. would be CHC)
Chicago (A) (abbrev. would be CHW)

So as long as I leave the ( A and/or N) behind the team name, I should be fine?

Sorry for the dumb questions guys, I jhust dont want to screw up.

Danny Reaves · 05-25-2004, 11:14 PM

Here is an update. I completed the season, changed the team names, adding an A or N to the name, and ran Catobase. The teams affected (New York and Chicago teams) had no transactions show up. My guess is that's because all the transactions belong to a different team name as far the the data is concerned. I'm going to leave the A and N extensions through the next season and see if that works.

jcato · 05-26-2004, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Danny Reaves
Here is an update. I completed the season, changed the team names, adding an A or N to the name, and ran Catobase. The teams affected (New York and Chicago teams) had no transactions show up. My guess is that's because all the transactions belong to a different team name as far the the data is concerned. I'm going to leave the A and N extensions through the next season and see if that works.

Right, I mentioned this a couple of posts up. When CatoBase reads the ltrans.html file, it finds an entry that says team 'New York' did something. It looks in the teams table and doesn't find a team 'New York', so it ignores it.

The ltrans.html file would need updating, too. This is where it gets messy because figuring out if 'New York' should be 'New York A' or 'New York N' can be time consuming.

Deitrus · 05-26-2004, 07:45 PM

So do I need to use the A or N for example or can I use parenthesis around those letters? I mean, will CatoBase recognize the letters with parenthesis around it? Thanks.

jcato · 05-27-2004, 09:04 AM

Yes, parenthesis are fine.

Danny Reaves · 05-27-2004, 09:23 PM

One more update. I made the changes to the team names and that took care of the problem. Thanks again for all the help.

Deitrus · 05-27-2004, 11:49 PM

Yes, thanks again here as well.

05-14-2004, 10:35 AM	#1
Danny Reaves Bat Boy Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 14	Catobase World Series error I'm new to Catobase, and I've used it successfully for four seasons. This past season just completed and I went through the normal procedure to run the program After it finished I checked it out and found a problem. According to Catobase, my 1943 World Series was between the New York Yankees and the Chicago White Sox. However, the Series was actually the Yankees versus the Cubs. The Cubs won the Sereis 4 games to three. But on the AL stats and leaders page it shows the White Sox over the Yanks. Now, another twist is that on the league index page it correctly shows the Yankees versus the Cubs, but shows that the Yankees won the series 4-3. The team index gives the Cubs credit for winning the pennant but not the series, and gives the White Sox no pennant but a series win. The Cubs team abbreviation is CHC, and the Sox is CWS. That has never changed. Does anyone have a clue as to what may have caused this?

05-24-2004, 05:33 PM	#3
gordyhulten All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Champaign, IL Posts: 1,175	Do the teams that are being confused have different abbreviations? Example: Cubs = CHC and WS = CHW? Do the abbreviations contain any strange characters, like parenthesis? Example: CH(A) and CH(N) -- (I don't know if this might cause a problem, just curious) __________________ Gordy Hulten Owner / General Manager Red Willow Roadrunners -- Kennel Series Champions: 1951, 1959, 1964, 1965, 1972, 1975, 1980, 1982, 1983 Dog Days Baseball - "The World's Best Online OOTP League" Creator inactive: Republican League - OOTP 2009 Dynasty inactive: Republican League Dynasty - Version 2.0 inactive: Republican League Dynasty

05-24-2004, 04:07 PM	#2
Danny Reaves Bat Boy Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 14	bump I never got a reply on my original thread so I thought I would try again with a little more information. It appears that catobase is intermixing events among teams with the same city name. In addition to the Chicago problem mentioned in my other post, both New York teams transations are intermixed. And on occasion, a player's history may be altered. For example, a guy that plays for the New York Giants may be shown as playing for the Yankees in his batting history. Any help would be appreciated.

05-24-2004, 06:08 PM	#4
Danny Reaves Bat Boy Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 14	Thanks for the reply gordy. Here is the team breakdown as I have them in OOTP New York Yankees - abbreviation NYY New york Giants - abbreveviation NYG Chicago White Sox - abbreviation CWS ChiCago Cubs - abbreveiation CHC I intentionally use a lower case y for the Giants and an upper case C for the Cubs so I can tell the teams apart. I've never liked the (A) or (N) notations. Maybe that is causing a glitch of some kind. I've backed up everything for several seasons, I'll change the team names and see of that makes a difference.

05-24-2004, 07:51 PM	#5
Cowboys3356 All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,571	You may not "like" the N or the A but I believe you need to use the correct abbreviations for the program to work correctly. A list of the correct abbreviations can be found at: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...+abbreviations Best of luck!

05-24-2004, 08:13 PM	#7
Deitrus All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: United States Posts: 535	Im glad I found this thread because I havent yet completed my first season but here is what I did: I have the followingL San Deigo as SD (default was SDN) San Fransisco as SF (default was SFN) Chicago Cubs as CHC (default-CHN) Chicago White Sox as CHW (default-CHA) New York Yankees as NYY (default-NYA) New York Mets as NYM (default-NYN) There are a few others I have changed but I cannot remember them. So, I am confused here, can or cant I have these abbreviations? Or, is it best for the defaults to be used, even if it is San Deigo and San Fransisco, ect? Thanks.

05-24-2004, 10:59 PM	#8
jcato Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 200	You can use whatever abbreviations you want, as long as they are unique. You only need the default if you're importing rookies from one of the databases and assigning them to their original teams. If OOTP can't find their team abbreviation, it puts them in free agency. But, this has nothing to do with CatoBase. For team names, these need to be unique, too, so that CatoBase will import the playoffs correctly.

05-24-2004, 11:00 PM	#9
Danny Reaves Bat Boy Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 14	Thanks for all the replies. So, if New York and New york are the same as far as the program is concerned, would it work if I just changed the names at the end of the season to something like you suggested, New York & NewYork, run Catobase, then change the names back to what I'm used to when I proceed to the next year? As long as the name is different for Catobase, then I would think that an end of season name change would work. I'll try and see what happens. Thanks again guys.

05-25-2004, 08:31 PM	#13
Deitrus All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: United States Posts: 535	LOL, I feel really dumb. So I can just leave it at this then: Chicago (N) (abbrev. would be CHC) Chicago (A) (abbrev. would be CHW) So as long as I leave the ( A and/or N) behind the team name, I should be fine? Sorry for the dumb questions guys, I jhust dont want to screw up.

05-25-2004, 11:14 PM	#14
Danny Reaves Bat Boy Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 14	Here is an update. I completed the season, changed the team names, adding an A or N to the name, and ran Catobase. The teams affected (New York and Chicago teams) had no transactions show up. My guess is that's because all the transactions belong to a different team name as far the the data is concerned. I'm going to leave the A and N extensions through the next season and see if that works.

05-26-2004, 07:45 PM	#16
Deitrus All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: United States Posts: 535	So do I need to use the A or N for example or can I use parenthesis around those letters? I mean, will CatoBase recognize the letters with parenthesis around it? Thanks.

05-27-2004, 09:04 AM	#17
jcato Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 200	Yes, parenthesis are fine.

05-27-2004, 09:23 PM	#18
Danny Reaves Bat Boy Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 14	One more update. I made the changes to the team names and that took care of the problem. Thanks again for all the help.

05-27-2004, 11:49 PM	#19
Deitrus All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: United States Posts: 535	Yes, thanks again here as well.