Thanks Henry, Your Suggestion Worked!!

thomamon · 05-13-2004, 11:12 AM

Just wanted to make a quick public post about this and thank Henry and let everyone else know that his suggestion seems to be working great for me.

In my current league in April I had the yearly percentages set the way he suggested with the current year being 2003. I had Ratings 34%, 2001=33%, and 2002=33% and 2003 = 0% for April. In May I switched it and took 5% away from 2001 and added it to 2003. Well, there were far less waivers in April and so far, a week into May there haven't been way too many.

This seems to be the way to go.

Thanks for the suggestion Henry.

Henry · 05-13-2004, 02:18 PM

Glad it's working for you

I used the figures for 2 test leagues I ran for 5 years using real players and got very reasonable results.

Cowboys3356 · 05-13-2004, 02:48 PM

I use these ratings also and they work well. The default settings do not work well because they put way too much value into the current season's numbers which early on will result in the CPU making some very strange moves!

jbmagic · 05-13-2004, 03:24 PM

ok i am confused...

henry i saw another post and u recommend this..and you said you got good results.....http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...threadid=62617

50% ratiing, 0% for current year, last yr 30%, 2 yr old 20% for april

50% ratiing, 5% for current year, last yr 30%, 2 yr old 15% for may

50% ratiing, 10% for current year, last yr 30%, 2 yr old 10% for June

50% ratiing, 15% for current year, last yr 30%, 2 yr old 5% for July

50% ratiing, 20% for current year, last yr 30%, 2 yr old 0% for August

50% ratiing, 25% for current year, last yr 25%, 2 yr old 0% for Sept

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so from all your testing what you recommend now the one in this post or the one i just posted above...

thanks

gordyhulten · 05-13-2004, 04:09 PM

I think the important thing is that it adjusts as the year progresses, and that there is very little weight given to the current season at the beginning of the season. I don't use either of the exact numbers that you've talked about here, and I still get good results. I'm sure either set will work fine for you.

highandoutside · 05-13-2004, 04:22 PM

Good find Jbmagic...I have been using the numbers you just posted. Henry, would you recommend one over the other? I would test this myself, but I run my league day-by-day, playing each game.

Henry · 05-13-2004, 04:29 PM

gordy has the right answer.. the important thing is to start at 0% for current year stats and build as the season progresses (and the stats stabilize). From there, it's only a matter of preference if you want ratings of past years stats to count more.

The 50-0-30-20 configuration I tested after the original one... and I do think I prefer it better since it places a bit mor emphasis on ratings.

Remember there's more than one way to skin a cat

Ben Music · 05-13-2004, 04:52 PM

Does anyone else find it ridiculous that to get "normal result" you have to adjust the setting each month? What a pain!

jazzrack · 05-13-2004, 06:01 PM

i start with the current season at 10% and make 1 adjustment at the all-star break to 30%

works well for me

gordyhulten · 05-13-2004, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ben Music
Does anyone else find it ridiculous that to get "normal result" you have to adjust the setting each month? What a pain!

That's the price we pay for be able to customize how the AI values players. I'd rather have the flexibility of v6 than v5, that's for sure.

If you don't want to make any adjustments during the year, don't. But I would leave Current Year = 0% or else you'll get some AI GMs who will over/undervalue players based on hot/cold starts.

thomamon · 05-13-2004, 06:59 PM

The 50% on ratings makes sense too since that dictates how the stats should come out. I may switch to that one. However, I may split the seasons 25 and 25.

Has anyone tried 40% ratings and 30%, 30% on the seasons? Maybe I'll do that with this league so there is still more emphasis on ratings then stats for any 1 season and yet a bit more for total stats.

Has anyone else noticed that if you put in totals higher then 100, it allows you to??? Why is that?

Henry · 05-13-2004, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by thomamon
Has anyone else noticed that if you put in totals higher then 100, it allows you to??? Why is that?

It simply divides by the total anyway, so a 100-100-100-100 is the same as25-25-25-25.

thomamon · 05-13-2004, 07:18 PM

So it divides by 25%??? What if you have 40-33-33-33

Henry · 05-13-2004, 07:20 PM

100+100+100+100=400

100/400 = 25%

Cowboys3356 · 05-13-2004, 09:22 PM

I use 40% on ratings, 5% for current season, 33 % for the previous season, and 22% for the last season. Then I add 5% to the current season at the start of each month and reduce the oldest season by that same amount. Seems to work nicely.

BasicGuy · 05-14-2004, 03:13 AM

I really hope Markus In a patch adds a setting the league setup that we can set so we don't have to mess with this setting monthly.

Rather than just haveing one setting In game....we could have a space for multiple ones for each month(or percent of season)

Sweed · 05-14-2004, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ben Music
Does anyone else find it ridiculous that to get "normal result" you have to adjust the setting each month? What a pain!

Is it a pain? Yes. Ridiculous? No, I don't think so, not for a new feature like this. If it had been in put into v5 and still hadn't been fixed then I think you would have a more valid complaint. Could it use tweaking? Sure.

With ootp adding a new engine and a lot of new settings so we can customize to our heart's content there are going to be things that aren't going to work perfectly out of the box. This seems to be one of them. Markus has always been good about trying to tweak these things until they work as intended.

I think Basic Guy is on the right track with his suggestion. Have a field of values to enter to cover the whole season. Of course that will be up to Markus, maybe he has a better way to deal with this. We'll have to wait and see.

dougaiton · 05-14-2004, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BasicGuy
I really hope Markus In a patch adds a setting the league setup that we can set so we don't have to mess with this setting monthly.

Rather than just haveing one setting In game....we could have a space for multiple ones for each month(or percent of season)

That's absolutely right. What makes changing the settings a real problem is for those that might want to sim multiple seasons, they cannot rely on fairly weighted AI management over that time period.

gordyhulten · 05-14-2004, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dougaiton
That's absolutely right. What makes changing the settings a real problem is for those that might want to sim multiple seasons, they cannot rely on fairly weighted AI management over that time period.

Doug,

I ran through 25 seasons without tweaking this, and I don't think it's a problem unless you're checking the waiver wire a lot. The AI seems to use the waiver wire more if you don't make these adjustments, but after running 25 years, I don't have any glaring problems with my CatoBase or Almanac of guys moving around too much.

I think if you're simming lots of seasons, a little wrinkle like this can get lost and I'm OK with that. But when you take over a team and begin managing everything day-to-day, I really started to notice the glut of guys on waivers - and this fixed that nicely.

dodgerkyle · 05-14-2004, 10:24 AM

How about adding an option to the game that changes the settings automatically each month? It's kind of annoying to have to do it on your own.

05-13-2004, 11:12 AM	#1
thomamon Global Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 5,274	Thanks Henry, Your Suggestion Worked!! Just wanted to make a quick public post about this and thank Henry and let everyone else know that his suggestion seems to be working great for me. In my current league in April I had the yearly percentages set the way he suggested with the current year being 2003. I had Ratings 34%, 2001=33%, and 2002=33% and 2003 = 0% for April. In May I switched it and took 5% away from 2001 and added it to 2003. Well, there were far less waivers in April and so far, a week into May there haven't been way too many. This seems to be the way to go. Thanks for the suggestion Henry. __________________ Thomas A. Montalto Please check out my Stupid Little Blog - http://www.stupidlittleblog.com

05-13-2004, 03:24 PM	#4
jbmagic Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,417	ok i am confused... henry i saw another post and u recommend this..and you said you got good results.....http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...threadid=62617 50% ratiing, 0% for current year, last yr 30%, 2 yr old 20% for april 50% ratiing, 5% for current year, last yr 30%, 2 yr old 15% for may 50% ratiing, 10% for current year, last yr 30%, 2 yr old 10% for June 50% ratiing, 15% for current year, last yr 30%, 2 yr old 5% for July 50% ratiing, 20% for current year, last yr 30%, 2 yr old 0% for August 50% ratiing, 25% for current year, last yr 25%, 2 yr old 0% for Sept l so from all your testing what you recommend now the one in this post or the one i just posted above... thanks Last edited by jbmagic; 05-13-2004 at 03:44 PM.

05-13-2004, 04:09 PM	#5
gordyhulten All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Champaign, IL Posts: 1,175	I think the important thing is that it adjusts as the year progresses, and that there is very little weight given to the current season at the beginning of the season. I don't use either of the exact numbers that you've talked about here, and I still get good results. I'm sure either set will work fine for you. __________________ Gordy Hulten Owner / General Manager Red Willow Roadrunners -- Kennel Series Champions: 1951, 1959, 1964, 1965, 1972, 1975, 1980, 1982, 1983 Dog Days Baseball - "The World's Best Online OOTP League" Creator inactive: Republican League - OOTP 2009 Dynasty inactive: Republican League Dynasty - Version 2.0 inactive: Republican League Dynasty

05-13-2004, 04:52 PM	#8
Ben Music Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 432	Does anyone else find it ridiculous that to get "normal result" you have to adjust the setting each month? What a pain! __________________

05-13-2004, 06:01 PM	#9
jazzrack Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: still kicking Posts: 3,229	i start with the current season at 10% and make 1 adjustment at the all-star break to 30% works well for me __________________ . "Never confuse composure for ease" Was once Head Cheese of Corporate League Baseball

05-13-2004, 02:18 PM	#2
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	Glad it's working for you I used the figures for 2 test leagues I ran for 5 years using real players and got very reasonable results.

05-13-2004, 02:48 PM	#3
Cowboys3356 All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,571	I use these ratings also and they work well. The default settings do not work well because they put way too much value into the current season's numbers which early on will result in the CPU making some very strange moves!

05-13-2004, 04:22 PM	#6
highandoutside All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 697	Good find Jbmagic...I have been using the numbers you just posted. Henry, would you recommend one over the other? I would test this myself, but I run my league day-by-day, playing each game.

05-13-2004, 04:29 PM	#7
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	gordy has the right answer.. the important thing is to start at 0% for current year stats and build as the season progresses (and the stats stabilize). From there, it's only a matter of preference if you want ratings of past years stats to count more. The 50-0-30-20 configuration I tested after the original one... and I do think I prefer it better since it places a bit mor emphasis on ratings. Remember there's more than one way to skin a cat

05-13-2004, 06:59 PM	#11
thomamon Global Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 5,274	The 50% on ratings makes sense too since that dictates how the stats should come out. I may switch to that one. However, I may split the seasons 25 and 25. Has anyone tried 40% ratings and 30%, 30% on the seasons? Maybe I'll do that with this league so there is still more emphasis on ratings then stats for any 1 season and yet a bit more for total stats. Has anyone else noticed that if you put in totals higher then 100, it allows you to??? Why is that? __________________ Thomas A. Montalto Please check out my Stupid Little Blog - http://www.stupidlittleblog.com

05-13-2004, 07:18 PM	#13
thomamon Global Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 5,274	So it divides by 25%??? What if you have 40-33-33-33 __________________ Thomas A. Montalto Please check out my Stupid Little Blog - http://www.stupidlittleblog.com

05-13-2004, 07:20 PM	#14
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	100+100+100+100=400 100/400 = 25%

05-13-2004, 09:22 PM	#15
Cowboys3356 All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,571	I use 40% on ratings, 5% for current season, 33 % for the previous season, and 22% for the last season. Then I add 5% to the current season at the start of each month and reduce the oldest season by that same amount. Seems to work nicely.

05-14-2004, 03:13 AM	#16
BasicGuy Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ND Posts: 478	I really hope Markus In a patch adds a setting the league setup that we can set so we don't have to mess with this setting monthly. Rather than just haveing one setting In game....we could have a space for multiple ones for each month(or percent of season)

05-14-2004, 10:24 AM	#20
dodgerkyle Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 20	How about adding an option to the game that changes the settings automatically each month? It's kind of annoying to have to do it on your own.