Atlanta releases 3.5 star Chipper Jones

sixfour210 · 04-23-2004, 01:39 PM

His numbers (.305 AVG, .414 OBP, .512 SLG) were very good and so were his ratings (78 contact, 76 power, 96 eye) but Atlanta found some reason to release him.

Not good.

But you know what, I just checked the splits and Chipper wasn't doing so well with Atlanta in April and May. He was batting .211 with 3 HR going into June and Atlanta just decided to let him go on June 6th and eat his $15 mil salary. This is actually pretty interesting.

He completely blew up when he signed with KC the next day. He hit .400 in June and .380 in Sept/Oct with 25 RBI. He led KC to the playoffs but were whiped out in the frist round losing 3 straight.

Although Chipper was struggling and his release wasn't for absolutely no reason as a thought, it's still a stretch to release him. I think even if no one else wanted him, Atlanta would be a hell of a lot more patient.

Good stuff though Markus. I like that you added that into the game, but just tone it down a smidge.

Henry · 04-23-2004, 01:42 PM

The makings of a great story !!

I like it.

Henry

jened · 04-23-2004, 01:44 PM

definately a bug!

Hank Greenberg · 04-23-2004, 01:46 PM

yea, thats a bad thing

sixfour210 · 04-23-2004, 01:47 PM

Can you believe that though? Markus has outdone himself with this.

You could just imagine. . . .

Chipper Jones is angry with the Braves management for not holding on to Sheffield, Lopez and Maddux and displays his displeasure on the field until it gets so bad that they have to release him.

EDIT: And just to rub it in Atlanta's face, he completely blows up with KC. Sounds kind of realistic.

I figure one team would trade another $15 mil player for Chipper though. Maybe Delgado for Chipper. I think the last resort for high priced players would be to release them.

I tell you what, if this situation only happened once in a blue moon, I would love it. Especially if the player starts playing well with his new team.

jened · 04-23-2004, 01:48 PM

can you tell who braves called up or signed in chipper's place?

hukarez · 04-23-2004, 01:50 PM

I would have thought they would have at least tried to trade him off?

sixfour210 · 04-23-2004, 01:51 PM

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Originally posted by jened
can you tell who braves called up or signed in chipper's place?

LOL, RHP Buddy Hernandez "the man who replaced Chipper".

sixfour210 · 04-23-2004, 01:58 PM

Oooh, more bad news. . .

To finally replace Chipper in LF, the Braves made a deadline deal on July 30th for Brad Wilkerson. Who did they give up?

Russ Ortiz, who had an amazing June (2.10 ERA) but imploded in July (6.68 ERA), Jeff Francoeur (.209, 6, 34 in 135 games) and Nick Green (.231, 11, 41 in 129 games).

I think I just realized what the problem is, though. The player evaulation weights have to be adjusted. Right now, it's set at 35% for the current year's stats which may be a little too high. All of the players traded or released were doing poorly, desipte their reputations (previous year's stats) or ratings.

Giants44 · 04-23-2004, 01:59 PM

name the last 15M player to be released in reali life - it doesn't happen in the game, so it shouldn't happen in the game.

Seviien · 04-23-2004, 02:05 PM

Vin Baker (wrong sport though...)

sixfour210 · 04-23-2004, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Giants44
name the last 15M player to be released in reali life - it doesn't happen in the game, so it shouldn't happen in the game.

I agree but you see in other sports where you have big whining stars who refuse to play for their team. I'm just saying if no other team wants to pick up his salary, you would have no choice but to let him go.

BTW, Arizona released Matt Williams who was making, i think, $9 million a couple years ago. Granted it was only for that season and with Chipper, they'd actually be coughing up $45 million (over 3 years), but $9 million is still a lot to be giving up on.

LivnLegend · 04-23-2004, 02:10 PM

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Originally posted by Giants44
name the last 15M player to be released in reali life - it doesn't happen in the game, so it shouldn't happen in the game.

The Angels were on the hook for $16 million to Kevin Appier when they released him. The Detroit Tigers ate over $14 million when they released Damian Easley last year.

To say it "never" happens would be wrong.

CoachL · 04-23-2004, 02:14 PM

What were the rest of the player evaluation percentages set at?

Hank Greenberg · 04-23-2004, 02:18 PM

Of course, the TIgers also hang on to Bobby ".250 12 HR, where are my steroids again" Higginson because he makes 11 mil a year.

I think im going to adjust the weight too about 40/25/25/10 (Rating/2004/2003/2002)

sixfour210 · 04-23-2004, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LivnLegend
The Angels were on the hook for $16 million to Kevin Appier when they released him. The Detroit Tigers ate over $14 million when they released Damian Easley last year.

To say it "never" happens would be wrong.

I knew there were some more.

Another trade of note in my sim was Barry Zito, who was 5-7 pre-trade and 5-3 post-trade to KC for 2003 1st rd pick Chris Lubanski and a 1-star reliever.

Between Chipper Jones and Barry Zito, KC made a push at for a strong finish but actually won the division with an 80-82 record, 2 games ahead of Chicago and Minnesota.

wertzman44 · 04-23-2004, 02:23 PM

The Braves would never release Chipper Jones until he gets too old, and no team would eat 45 million dollars. There is no way to defend what happened in a positive way, plain and simple.

sixfour210 · 04-23-2004, 02:24 PM

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Originally posted by CoachL
What were the rest of the player evaluation percentages set at?

I have them on the defaults of 40% ratings, 35 (2004), 17 (2003), 8 (2002)

The bad thing about this system is that prospects are traded at will since they don't have any previous season's stats. They are really expendable if they don't perform that first year. Like Lubanski that I mentioned above was traded when he batted .237 in his first year but he's still a 3-star player.

drprestwood · 04-23-2004, 02:24 PM

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...threadid=61265

Same problem.

highandoutside · 04-23-2004, 02:24 PM

Hmm, so you recommedation is to tone down the 35% on current year stats...?

Another option might be to turn up the importance of past years statistics so that the computer will be less rash.

04-23-2004, 01:39 PM	#1
sixfour210 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,227	Atlanta releases 3.5 star Chipper Jones His numbers (.305 AVG, .414 OBP, .512 SLG) were very good and so were his ratings (78 contact, 76 power, 96 eye) but Atlanta found some reason to release him. Not good. But you know what, I just checked the splits and Chipper wasn't doing so well with Atlanta in April and May. He was batting .211 with 3 HR going into June and Atlanta just decided to let him go on June 6th and eat his $15 mil salary. This is actually pretty interesting. He completely blew up when he signed with KC the next day. He hit .400 in June and .380 in Sept/Oct with 25 RBI. He led KC to the playoffs but were whiped out in the frist round losing 3 straight. Although Chipper was struggling and his release wasn't for absolutely no reason as a thought, it's still a stretch to release him. I think even if no one else wanted him, Atlanta would be a hell of a lot more patient. Good stuff though Markus. I like that you added that into the game, but just tone it down a smidge. __________________

04-23-2004, 01:44 PM	#3
jened Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: upstate NY (saratoga county) Posts: 255	definately a bug! __________________ cooper_gd's OTWE Results OTWE HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION: KING JENED III

04-23-2004, 01:47 PM	#5
sixfour210 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,227	Can you believe that though? Markus has outdone himself with this. You could just imagine. . . . Chipper Jones is angry with the Braves management for not holding on to Sheffield, Lopez and Maddux and displays his displeasure on the field until it gets so bad that they have to release him. EDIT: And just to rub it in Atlanta's face, he completely blows up with KC. Sounds kind of realistic. I figure one team would trade another $15 mil player for Chipper though. Maybe Delgado for Chipper. I think the last resort for high priced players would be to release them. I tell you what, if this situation only happened once in a blue moon, I would love it. Especially if the player starts playing well with his new team. __________________ Last edited by sixfour210; 04-23-2004 at 01:49 PM.

04-23-2004, 01:48 PM	#6
jened Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: upstate NY (saratoga county) Posts: 255	can you tell who braves called up or signed in chipper's place? __________________ cooper_gd's OTWE Results OTWE HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION: KING JENED III

04-23-2004, 01:58 PM	#9
sixfour210 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,227	Oooh, more bad news. . . To finally replace Chipper in LF, the Braves made a deadline deal on July 30th for Brad Wilkerson. Who did they give up? Russ Ortiz, who had an amazing June (2.10 ERA) but imploded in July (6.68 ERA), Jeff Francoeur (.209, 6, 34 in 135 games) and Nick Green (.231, 11, 41 in 129 games). I think I just realized what the problem is, though. The player evaulation weights have to be adjusted. Right now, it's set at 35% for the current year's stats which may be a little too high. All of the players traded or released were doing poorly, desipte their reputations (previous year's stats) or ratings. __________________ Last edited by sixfour210; 04-23-2004 at 02:10 PM.

04-23-2004, 01:42 PM	#2
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	The makings of a great story !! I like it. Henry

04-23-2004, 01:46 PM	#4
Hank Greenberg Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 460	yea, thats a bad thing

04-23-2004, 01:50 PM	#7
hukarez Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 113	I would have thought they would have at least tried to trade him off?

04-23-2004, 01:59 PM	#10
Giants44 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 2,408	name the last 15M player to be released in reali life - it doesn't happen in the game, so it shouldn't happen in the game. __________________ "In a text sim - Immersion is everything" -Me "Judge a man not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character" -Martin Luther King "Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts." -Einstein "The man who views the world at 50 the same as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life." -Muhammad Ali "Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything." -Toby Harrah

04-23-2004, 02:05 PM	#11
Seviien All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 925	Vin Baker (wrong sport though...)

04-23-2004, 02:14 PM	#14
CoachL Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Hilmar, CA Posts: 124	What were the rest of the player evaluation percentages set at?

04-23-2004, 02:18 PM	#15
Hank Greenberg Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 460	Of course, the TIgers also hang on to Bobby ".250 12 HR, where are my steroids again" Higginson because he makes 11 mil a year. I think im going to adjust the weight too about 40/25/25/10 (Rating/2004/2003/2002)

04-23-2004, 02:23 PM	#17
wertzman44 Bat Boy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 13	The Braves would never release Chipper Jones until he gets too old, and no team would eat 45 million dollars. There is no way to defend what happened in a positive way, plain and simple. __________________ ASBL - Commish/Arizona Diamondbacks

04-23-2004, 02:24 PM	#19
drprestwood All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,501	http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...threadid=61265 Same problem.

04-23-2004, 02:24 PM	#20
highandoutside All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 683	Hmm, so you recommedation is to tone down the 35% on current year stats...? Another option might be to turn up the importance of past years statistics so that the computer will be less rash.