Send Him Home!

[mauboy]

Due to the fact that I get no responses in the wish-list forum, I figured I would get more traffic posting this wish in here..


How are we supposed to know when to send runners home?

I was thinking that Markus could possibly implement a CHANCE % RATE of scoring when asking if you want to send the runner home.

You have a 99% chance of scoring, send him home... Because as a third base coach, you'll KNOW when you can send him home for sure, then there are those that you juuuust don't know.

"You have a 48% chance of scoring."

Do you send him home, or keep him at 3rd and let the next guy try to knock him in.

I just feel like there is no feel for sending runners home without knowing anything about anything!

[Crapshoot]

sure you do- you know his speed, you know the OF's arm - you have plently of information to make the decision..

[PotatoPeeler]

Originally posted by mauboy
I just feel like there is no feel for sending runners home without knowing anything about anything!

How is that unrealistic? Wendell (a.k.a Windmill) Kim does it all the time!

[Ol'Drippy]

Yeah, I know what you mean. It would be cool to know if the runner made a good turn or what have you, but considering those things aren't being taken into account anyway (Or so I believe...), the Arm rating of the outfielder and the speed rating of the runner would seem to be enough.

And how realistic would it be if an actual perentage popped up to tell you what his chance is? Even something vague like "good" or "fair" would probably be baed on the information that's visible.

[zonk84]

damn.... someone beat me to the Wavin' Wendell Kim joke.

[Hank Greenberg]

But you dont know a few very important things, like how deep the ball is (sometimes it say Deep fly but normally its just a fly ball to LF for example) the OF's position while catching it (did he have run and make a running catch, is his momentum going forward ect..)

But I think it is fine how it is really (but I can see his point).

[canute]

I think it's much more realistic to know the outfielder's arm strength and the batter's running speed than it is to know the exact percentage chance of him scoring.

[bomborivera]

Since I am a Cubs fan, I follow the theory of Waving Wendel...I send them all home. So what if I have sent Zambrano home when Vlad is throwing. Like Kim would do anything different.

[Draft Dodger]

personally, I don't think it should be in the game at all.

[mauboy]

That worked out well.

Maybe not %'s, but something needs to be added.

Yeah, I know who's throwing and running, but like someone said before, where is he in the outfield? In the corner? Is my runner going to slide(aka Jeremy Giambi)? Okay. But thanks for some responses!

[BusterKing]

I actually endorse your idea mauboy.

I feel that the computer has an unfair advantage in this area and this would sort of even out the playing field.

[Ragnar]

I agree with just looking at the fielders arm and runners speed.

The problem is that far too often do the slow guys score from 2nd with less than 2 outs. Even against good arms. Since rarely do i see them thrown out I usually just send them.

[mauboy]

I'm finding that I'm getting thrown out a few more times than normal in the solo league I'm playing in. Not that there's anything wrong with it. I find myself to be "Waving" Wendall as well. And boy do I wish he wasn't the Cubs 3rd base coach right now. But nothing I can do about it! lol

Anyhow... I just feel like there should be someway to justify sending runners home, rather than by speed and arm(although this a part of it).

[plubbr]

I don't think that location of the hit ever enters the picture. This is just a guess, but I think it is a good guess. When a fly ball is hit to right field for example, there is a formula which determines if it will be an out, a single, a double, a triple, or a home run. The result is dependent on the outfielder's range, his fielding %, the batters power, etc. I do not think that the game actually determines exactly where in the field the ball goes to. Therefore, the odds that the player will be thrown out at the plate are based upon the runners speed, the outfielders arm, and perhaps the catchers fielding %.

Like I said, this is just a guess, but I think it is a good guess. I would like to know, perhaps from Markus or someone else, if it is true that the game does not determine exactly where the ball is hit.

[danwaechter]

Although I have nothing to back this up, I'm positive that Plubbr is right in saying the game doesnt determine exact 'coordinates' so to speak of where the ball is hit, so it would require what I'm guessing would be a fair deal of programming on something I just dont think is that important. There are alot of other things that could be done to add to the game before this. I think using the speed, arm, and whether its a short fly, deep fly, or just normal fly, should be plenty of information.

[Rizon]

I always send them home. I rarely see anyone get thrown out.

[mauboy]

I was trying to think of plays that happen in the game that probably wouldn't in the real thing.

Runner on first, a line drive to the gap cut off nicely by "blank", "blank2" scores easily. It's really, really, really hard to score on a hit to the gap where the fielder actually cuts it off before going to the fence.

I just wish there was some way of knowing how deep it went and actually have it matter.

[Whitey]

I haven't read this entire thread, so I'm sorry if this point has been made, but to me the only time you are asked is if there is a question as to whether the runner can make it or not. Sometimes runners only advance one base on hits to the outfield. I'm assuming that is a hard hit ball right at the fielder. Sometimes they score easily from second. Obviously this is a deep enough base hit that anybody could have scored. The prompt to me is only on questionable advancement.

Same goes for sac flies. The game doesn't ask you on some fly balls. The runner tags and scores. Therefore that was a deep fly ball. If the game asks, we should know that there is a possibilty the runner could be thrown out.

[plubbr]

Good Point. I hadn't even thought about it, but there are times that a runner will score from second on a single or third on a sac fly without the computer asking if you want to send them home.

[Whitey]

Originally posted by plubbr
Good Point. I hadn't even thought about it, but there are times that a runner will score from second on a single or third on a sac fly without the computer asking if you want to send them home.

Yeah, that's the point, plubbr. It is a given that a runner scores from second on a base hit to the outfield unless the ball is hit hard and/or right at the fielder. Therefore the game will only ask you when there is a question as to whether the runner can score. There are also bloop hits that are questionable as to whether the fielder will catch it on the fly or not. The runner would have to stay close to the base so he wouldn't get doubled off.

BTW, I wonder if the game takes into account the number of outs? This is huge IRL. Runner is gone at the crack of the bat with two down.