Major Player acquisitions affecting Fan Support

Rick James · 04-20-2004, 07:19 PM

I brought this point up before and i hope it is put into a patch sometime. Take for example A-Rod being traded to NYY. As soon as that happened, NYY ticket sales went through the roof. They were ahead of last year's ticket sales in the offseason just because of him.

I still believe the fan support should increase when you acquire big time guys like this in the offseason. Then after a few weeks it's based on winning still. But it's apparent that if a team brings in a top of the line player that they're going to sell more tickets and have more fan interest. (Like A-Rod, Colon, Vlad, Schilling etc.)

pallison14 · 04-20-2004, 07:27 PM

I've been suggesting a "Marquee" rating of some sort for awhile. It's kind of goofy, I know, but could just be another sort dimension to the game.

Despite some bad luck and bad years, a Ken Griffey Jr. is still a big name (and I suppose a big draw). Not sure how this could be implemented, but perhaps a guy with a "SuperStar" or something marquee is worth XX points of fan interest. The team that signs him or trades for him gets that value, where he old team loses it.

jened · 04-20-2004, 07:28 PM

well there's always the good ole star system or previous league leader in certain categories or all star appearances.

thomamon · 04-20-2004, 07:32 PM

This would be a great feature! Generally it's power hitters who put fanny's in the seats.

BigDuVall · 04-20-2004, 07:52 PM

If you're going to come with a complicated suggestion like this, you need some examples. Sure, A-Rod, Ken Griffey Jr., Barry Bonds, Pedro Martinez, etc. will raise fan interest, but what happens when they all retire? How do you justify who brings in interest and who doesn't? What if you create your own custom league with all custom random players?

Programmers, like myself, can make it happen, if it's planned out... but, something like this has too many intangibles. If someone can think of how to calculate this with new players, then it will probably be in the next patch, but there's nothing to go on.

Maybe, you can just use players who have 5-star ratings. But, in real life, there's plenty of players who raise interest and aren't necessarily the best at their position, maybe not even in the top 5. Would you go by where the player was born? Like if a player plays for his hometown team, the interest goes up higher than if he played on the other side of the US? Programmers need more to go on. Programmers can write great code, but they need more than just a static idea, to make it happen.

Boozie1580 · 04-20-2004, 07:58 PM

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Originally posted by BigDuVall
If you're going to come with a complicated suggestion like this, you need some examples. Sure, A-Rod, Ken Griffey Jr., Barry Bonds, Pedro Martinez, etc. will raise fan interest, but what happens when they all retire? How do you justify who brings in interest and who doesn't? What if you create your own custom league with all custom random players?

Programmers, like myself, can make it happen, if it's planned out... but, something like this has too many intangibles. If someone can think of how to calculate this with new players, then it will probably be in the next patch, but there's nothing to go on.

Maybe, you can just use players who have 5-star ratings. But, in real life, there's plenty of players who raise interest and aren't necessarily the best at their position, maybe not even in the top 5. Would you go by where the player was born? Like if a player plays for his hometown team, the interest goes up higher than if he played on the other side of the US? Programmers need more to go on. Programmers can write great code, but they need more than just a static idea, to make it happen.

Agreed. This is a great idea, but things like this would make it really hard to do.

skkrrt · 04-20-2004, 08:04 PM

The only way I can think too do it, is if someone is A) Atleast a 3 time consecutive all star or B) Has one the MVP atleast twice in his career (or Cy Young) or C) Was RoY and is now an all-star (1 year all star after RoY)

That doesn't include everyone worthy Im sure but it seems reasonable IMHO.

I think it should automatically raise fan interest 5 points and boost attendance for 30 home games following their acquisitin. (to sellout levels)

LivnLegend · 04-20-2004, 08:10 PM

That was something I wanted to artificially introduce to an online league I joined a couple years ago. This was the only real current player league I ever joined and something I noticed was how often star players were being swapped around the league. It almost blew my desire to stay in the league because the whole point of joining a real team/real player league was try and simulate real baseball (to a degree). Seeing Barry Zito traded 5 times in two seasons struck me as confounding. I thought an aspect such as fan interest or loyalty taking a hit when trading star players willy-nilly might help curb what I looked at as trading "just to trade" (although others in the league may have viewed it as the only way to keep interested in the league)

skkrrt · 04-20-2004, 08:27 PM

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Originally posted by LivnLegend
That was something I wanted to artificially introduce to an online league I joined a couple years ago. This was the only real current player league I ever joined and something I noticed was how often star players were being swapped around the league. It almost blew my desire to stay in the league because the whole point of joining a real team/real player league was try and simulate real baseball (to a degree). Seeing Barry Zito traded 5 times in two seasons struck me as confounding. I thought an aspect such as fan interest or loyalty taking a hit when trading star players willy-nilly might help curb what I looked at as trading "just to trade" (although others in the league may have viewed it as the only way to keep interested in the league)

That is the exact reason I have no desire to be in an online league right now....

the AI has its shortcomming, but a lot of human opponents have their fair share too (there are obviously very good GMs....but for everyone of them there is a guy who wants to rebuild the NYY for no apparent reason)....and OOTP doesn't punish people who trade guys constantly at all...*shrug*

not that Im on topic or anything.

RonCo · 04-20-2004, 10:19 PM

I'm would be surprised if agents who put together arbitration packages haven't done research on the revenue generation capability of the big-name stars they represent.

This would be a cool feature, but something that would need to be very carefully explored prior to implementation. Getting it wrong could skew things.

04-20-2004, 07:19 PM	#1
Rick James Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: NY Posts: 105	Major Player acquisitions affecting Fan Support I brought this point up before and i hope it is put into a patch sometime. Take for example A-Rod being traded to NYY. As soon as that happened, NYY ticket sales went through the roof. They were ahead of last year's ticket sales in the offseason just because of him. I still believe the fan support should increase when you acquire big time guys like this in the offseason. Then after a few weeks it's based on winning still. But it's apparent that if a team brings in a top of the line player that they're going to sell more tickets and have more fan interest. (Like A-Rod, Colon, Vlad, Schilling etc.) __________________

04-20-2004, 07:27 PM	#2
pallison14 Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 452	I've been suggesting a "Marquee" rating of some sort for awhile. It's kind of goofy, I know, but could just be another sort dimension to the game. Despite some bad luck and bad years, a Ken Griffey Jr. is still a big name (and I suppose a big draw). Not sure how this could be implemented, but perhaps a guy with a "SuperStar" or something marquee is worth XX points of fan interest. The team that signs him or trades for him gets that value, where he old team loses it. __________________ Commissioner, NGBL - Putting the FUNK in defunct. New York (AL), UBL

04-20-2004, 07:28 PM	#3
jened Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: upstate NY (saratoga county) Posts: 255	well there's always the good ole star system or previous league leader in certain categories or all star appearances. __________________ cooper_gd's OTWE Results OTWE HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION: KING JENED III

04-20-2004, 07:32 PM	#4
thomamon Global Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 5,274	This would be a great feature! Generally it's power hitters who put fanny's in the seats. __________________ Thomas A. Montalto Please check out my Stupid Little Blog - http://www.stupidlittleblog.com

04-20-2004, 07:52 PM	#5
BigDuVall Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: North Augusta, SC Posts: 84	If you're going to come with a complicated suggestion like this, you need some examples. Sure, A-Rod, Ken Griffey Jr., Barry Bonds, Pedro Martinez, etc. will raise fan interest, but what happens when they all retire? How do you justify who brings in interest and who doesn't? What if you create your own custom league with all custom random players? Programmers, like myself, can make it happen, if it's planned out... but, something like this has too many intangibles. If someone can think of how to calculate this with new players, then it will probably be in the next patch, but there's nothing to go on. Maybe, you can just use players who have 5-star ratings. But, in real life, there's plenty of players who raise interest and aren't necessarily the best at their position, maybe not even in the top 5. Would you go by where the player was born? Like if a player plays for his hometown team, the interest goes up higher than if he played on the other side of the US? Programmers need more to go on. Programmers can write great code, but they need more than just a static idea, to make it happen. __________________ HFTC - Florida Marlins

04-20-2004, 08:04 PM	#7
skkrrt Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 410	The only way I can think too do it, is if someone is A) Atleast a 3 time consecutive all star or B) Has one the MVP atleast twice in his career (or Cy Young) or C) Was RoY and is now an all-star (1 year all star after RoY) That doesn't include everyone worthy Im sure but it seems reasonable IMHO. I think it should automatically raise fan interest 5 points and boost attendance for 30 home games following their acquisitin. (to sellout levels) __________________ Tiger of the Week: Nate Robertson-3rd in the AL in strikeouts (24).

04-20-2004, 08:10 PM	#8
LivnLegend Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: 100% pure adrenaline! Posts: 5,624	That was something I wanted to artificially introduce to an online league I joined a couple years ago. This was the only real current player league I ever joined and something I noticed was how often star players were being swapped around the league. It almost blew my desire to stay in the league because the whole point of joining a real team/real player league was try and simulate real baseball (to a degree). Seeing Barry Zito traded 5 times in two seasons struck me as confounding. I thought an aspect such as fan interest or loyalty taking a hit when trading star players willy-nilly might help curb what I looked at as trading "just to trade" (although others in the league may have viewed it as the only way to keep interested in the league) __________________ Excess ain't rebellion. You're drinking what they're selling.

04-20-2004, 10:19 PM	#10
RonCo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 10,419	I'm would be surprised if agents who put together arbitration packages haven't done research on the revenue generation capability of the big-name stars they represent. This would be a cool feature, but something that would need to be very carefully explored prior to implementation. Getting it wrong could skew things.