Play by play importance?

Whitey · 04-19-2004, 04:10 PM

As I read more threads it is becoming evident that I and others might be in a minority as far as using play by play. But just how much of a minority, if indeed we are? There are varying degrees of how pbp can be used. Some play out all of their games while others of us sim to a certain inning and play out the rest of the game, while still others may use it in some other ways. So I would like to know, is play by play issues that important to the majority of OOTP owners, or could it be that a great majority only sim?

spleen1015 · 04-19-2004, 04:16 PM

I haven't played a game with OOTP since OOTP2. I'm a simmer. This feature could be removed and it wouldn't bother me at all.

I do understand that there are folks who enjoy this part of the game and I see its importance, though.

Rizon · 04-19-2004, 04:17 PM

I play out all my games, so very important.

Black Lightning · 04-19-2004, 04:26 PM

I have been playing out more games than usual, especially now with 6. At times I would phase out on reading the PbP because it got repetitive or I was getting impatient. However if more work were put in this area, I would get more enjoyment out of it in return.

Whitey · 04-19-2004, 04:27 PM

Looking early on that pbp issues which would include interface and actual pbp script is relatively important to this community.

KurtBevacqua · 04-19-2004, 04:28 PM

Doesn't feel like baseball unless I am actually playing the games. Simming is just numbers on a screen to me. I could get that from Baseball-reference.com .

Cooker · 04-19-2004, 04:49 PM

Pbp is VERY important to me. I know many eventually want to see more variety and the occasional odd play (e.g., dropped pop-up's), but I've really appreciated some of the new stuff included in pbp in version 6 (e.g., "Wow, I'd like to see the instant replay of that!")

draven085 · 04-19-2004, 04:58 PM

IMHO OOTP's play-by-play lags far behind the rest of the game. If I were prioritizing necessary improvements PbP would be #1 on my list.

Whitey · 04-19-2004, 05:01 PM

Good to see PBP is as important to most as it is to me. Verifies for me that pbp issues can be pushed a little more.

dougaiton · 04-19-2004, 05:06 PM

I think PbP is important to the game experience. However, I might suggest the reason it has been slightly overlooked is that I don't think it is a marketable feature to be the main focus of a new OOTP version. Had the number one improvement for OOTP6 been 'enhanced PbP', I doubt the sales would have skyrocketed. Therefore, I do understand its seeming neglect (and more importantly for me, the neglect of the 'news' section) by Markus.

I might add, off-topic as it is, that this might account for the new look of OOTP6. Can you imagine the amount of moaning from purchasers about how it was more a patch than a new version, if it looked the same and was toned up, rather than had some new 'revolutionary' features?

Well, that was an odd digression. Yay for better PbP and news!

D'artagnan · 04-19-2004, 05:10 PM

League doesn't feel as real to me if I don't play out all the games.

lschaef · 04-19-2004, 05:12 PM

I play out all my games and would like to see improvements made to the pbp, but it's not that important to me. I'd rather see more and better news stories and other things to make it more of a virtual universe.

Eugene Church · 04-19-2004, 05:29 PM

This is at the top of my priority list for the game:

Improved play-by-play... complete with all of the normal everyday plays included in the game with an occasional odd play...too many basic plays are currently missing...more variety in play-by-play text.

Also include stealing with 2 strikes...stealing home...and other strategies now missing from the game.

And give us the one pitch mode...make it optional for those who want to play out every pitch.

These have been repeatedly asked for since at least OOTP3.

Henry responded to an earlier thread about this same subject and stated Marcus has to make a decision in each new version as far as what features have priority...and one day play-by-play will be top priority.

I was always under the impression that simmers were in the great majority in OOTPB until I saw this recent poll:

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ts&pollid=1428

It seems simmers have about 53%...playout players about 47%.

I was greatly surprised and it made me hopeful one day PBP will become more important and become a reality.

Malleus Dei · 04-19-2004, 05:36 PM

I hope Markus reads this thread.

jbmagic · 04-19-2004, 05:36 PM

on pbp i would love to see where u can select the type of pitch that the your starting has.... like fastball, slider, curve, etc instead of normal

JimboJones · 04-19-2004, 05:43 PM

I think the results are kind of what I expected. PBP is important to most, but there is still a large number of people who don't consider it important.

rick36nh · 04-19-2004, 06:15 PM

I play out all of my games and this is the one area I'd really like to see improved on for OOTP7. OOTP is by far the best baseball sim going and IMHO pbp is the only area lacking to make it a truly complete game. With that said however I completely agree with Eugene Church that it should be in addition to the one pitch mode not in place of it.

rogmax11 · 04-19-2004, 06:18 PM

The closer you get to minute detail, the more important a richly descriptive pbp becomes, since 3d graphics or video-quality visuals are not here yet for this franchise. When the pitch-by-pitch option arrives ( and Lordy, do I hope it remains optional! ), then a vastly improved pbp will be mandated. This is, after all, a text-based construct and the realism of the described moment will be carried by the evocative quality of that text.

How sweet it would be if one of the options was the ability to choose from the broadcast styles of the great radio broadcasters to describe the action. Imagine choosing a Vin Scully "audio skin" or Lon Simmons, or Red Barber--or, for comic relief, Ron Fairly.

On the other hand, I think the accurate reproduction of both stats and action--coupled with a cleaner interface--clearly take precedence in my value system.

DonD · 04-19-2004, 06:20 PM

I usually play out a number of games, however I do find it gets boring after a while.

After that point, I go to Simming and play the GM role. I have yet to grow tired of that.

When playing, any time my manager gets thrown out of the game, I'll sim the rest. What's the point, after all of clicking one play at a time if you have no input ?

- Don

Night2000 · 04-19-2004, 06:24 PM

Hell Play by play is so important to me that I voted for it 200 times in this poll.

View Poll Results: Are play by play issues important?
Play by play issues are important to me.	33	67.35%
Play by play issues are not important to me.	16	32.65%
Voters: 49. You may not vote on this poll

04-19-2004, 04:17 PM	#3
Rizon Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: SF Area, California Total Posts: 531,691 Posts: 2,369	I play out all my games, so very important. __________________ JML MILKSHAKES

04-19-2004, 04:26 PM	#4
Black Lightning Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 54	I have been playing out more games than usual, especially now with 6. At times I would phase out on reading the PbP because it got repetitive or I was getting impatient. However if more work were put in this area, I would get more enjoyment out of it in return. __________________ NABC - Mobile Bears UBA - Charleston Aces

04-19-2004, 04:27 PM	#5
Whitey Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 346	Looking early on that pbp issues which would include interface and actual pbp script is relatively important to this community. __________________ "Thanks for your time this time, until next time, so long." -The Late Great Jack Buck

04-19-2004, 04:28 PM	#6
KurtBevacqua Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,968	Doesn't feel like baseball unless I am actually playing the games. Simming is just numbers on a screen to me. I could get that from Baseball-reference.com . __________________ "The type and formula of most schemes of philanthropy or humanitarianism is this: A and B put their heads together to decide what C shall be made to do for D. The radical vice of all these schemes, from a sociological point of view, is that C is not allowed a voice in the matter, and his position, character, and interests, as well as the ultimate effects on society through C's interests, are entirely overlooked. I call C the Forgotten Man" - William Graham Sumner

04-19-2004, 04:10 PM	#1
Whitey Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 346	Play by play importance? As I read more threads it is becoming evident that I and others might be in a minority as far as using play by play. But just how much of a minority, if indeed we are? There are varying degrees of how pbp can be used. Some play out all of their games while others of us sim to a certain inning and play out the rest of the game, while still others may use it in some other ways. So I would like to know, is play by play issues that important to the majority of OOTP owners, or could it be that a great majority only sim? __________________ "Thanks for your time this time, until next time, so long." -The Late Great Jack Buck

04-19-2004, 04:16 PM	#2
spleen1015 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,005	I haven't played a game with OOTP since OOTP2. I'm a simmer. This feature could be removed and it wouldn't bother me at all. I do understand that there are folks who enjoy this part of the game and I see its importance, though.

04-19-2004, 04:49 PM	#7
Cooker All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 592	Pbp is VERY important to me. I know many eventually want to see more variety and the occasional odd play (e.g., dropped pop-up's), but I've really appreciated some of the new stuff included in pbp in version 6 (e.g., "Wow, I'd like to see the instant replay of that!")

04-19-2004, 04:58 PM	#8
draven085 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,074	IMHO OOTP's play-by-play lags far behind the rest of the game. If I were prioritizing necessary improvements PbP would be #1 on my list.

04-19-2004, 05:01 PM	#9
Whitey Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 346	Good to see PBP is as important to most as it is to me. Verifies for me that pbp issues can be pushed a little more. __________________ "Thanks for your time this time, until next time, so long." -The Late Great Jack Buck

04-19-2004, 05:06 PM	#10
dougaiton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Location: Posts: 3,414	I think PbP is important to the game experience. However, I might suggest the reason it has been slightly overlooked is that I don't think it is a marketable feature to be the main focus of a new OOTP version. Had the number one improvement for OOTP6 been 'enhanced PbP', I doubt the sales would have skyrocketed. Therefore, I do understand its seeming neglect (and more importantly for me, the neglect of the 'news' section) by Markus. I might add, off-topic as it is, that this might account for the new look of OOTP6. Can you imagine the amount of moaning from purchasers about how it was more a patch than a new version, if it looked the same and was toned up, rather than had some new 'revolutionary' features? Well, that was an odd digression. Yay for better PbP and news! __________________ tThis shower of clowns My park-adjusted, historically split Born in '69 league file! (also at Joe's wonderful site +BBSC)

04-19-2004, 05:12 PM	#12
lschaef Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 242	I play out all my games and would like to see improvements made to the pbp, but it's not that important to me. I'd rather see more and better news stories and other things to make it more of a virtual universe.

04-19-2004, 05:29 PM	#13
Eugene Church Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 36,062	This is at the top of my priority list for the game: Improved play-by-play... complete with all of the normal everyday plays included in the game with an occasional odd play...too many basic plays are currently missing...more variety in play-by-play text. Also include stealing with 2 strikes...stealing home...and other strategies now missing from the game. And give us the one pitch mode...make it optional for those who want to play out every pitch. These have been repeatedly asked for since at least OOTP3. Henry responded to an earlier thread about this same subject and stated Marcus has to make a decision in each new version as far as what features have priority...and one day play-by-play will be top priority. I was always under the impression that simmers were in the great majority in OOTPB until I saw this recent poll: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ts&pollid=1428 It seems simmers have about 53%...playout players about 47%. I was greatly surprised and it made me hopeful one day PBP will become more important and become a reality. Last edited by Eugene Church; 04-19-2004 at 05:38 PM.

04-19-2004, 05:36 PM	#15
jbmagic Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,417	on pbp i would love to see where u can select the type of pitch that the your starting has.... like fastball, slider, curve, etc instead of normal

04-19-2004, 05:43 PM	#16
JimboJones Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 210	I think the results are kind of what I expected. PBP is important to most, but there is still a large number of people who don't consider it important.

04-19-2004, 06:15 PM	#17
rick36nh Bat Boy Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Melrose, MA Posts: 9	I play out all of my games and this is the one area I'd really like to see improved on for OOTP7. OOTP is by far the best baseball sim going and IMHO pbp is the only area lacking to make it a truly complete game. With that said however I completely agree with Eugene Church that it should be in addition to the one pitch mode not in place of it.

04-19-2004, 06:18 PM	#18
rogmax11 All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,320	The closer you get to minute detail, the more important a richly descriptive pbp becomes, since 3d graphics or video-quality visuals are not here yet for this franchise. When the pitch-by-pitch option arrives ( and Lordy, do I hope it remains optional! ), then a vastly improved pbp will be mandated. This is, after all, a text-based construct and the realism of the described moment will be carried by the evocative quality of that text. How sweet it would be if one of the options was the ability to choose from the broadcast styles of the great radio broadcasters to describe the action. Imagine choosing a Vin Scully "audio skin" or Lon Simmons, or Red Barber--or, for comic relief, Ron Fairly. On the other hand, I think the accurate reproduction of both stats and action--coupled with a cleaner interface--clearly take precedence in my value system.

04-19-2004, 06:20 PM	#19
DonD Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 71	I usually play out a number of games, however I do find it gets boring after a while. After that point, I go to Simming and play the GM role. I have yet to grow tired of that. When playing, any time my manager gets thrown out of the game, I'll sim the rest. What's the point, after all of clicking one play at a time if you have no input ? - Don __________________ GGNL Athens Pirates

04-19-2004, 06:24 PM	#20
Night2000 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Monroe, NJ Posts: 716	Hell Play by play is so important to me that I voted for it 200 times in this poll. __________________ http://night2000.blogspot.com/ This post has the Al Bundy and Homer Simpson stamp of approval!