Attn: KidRock of the "TCBL"

enuttage · 04-06-2004, 07:10 PM

As much as I *would be* flattered that you'd decided to use the same acronym for your league as that of my former High Heat residency, so carefully founded and very well-run by my friend concusion. And that you've decided to use the TCBL logo THAT I DESIGNED.

It would've been real cool, had you just shot an e-mail someone's way and asked.

See below for reference, for those of you who are unclear about what kidrock has done (or not done as it may be).

My old league (founded and run by Concusion):

http://www.enuttage.com/tcbl/

kidrock's "new" league:

http://tcbl.game-server.cc/tcbl/html/

What'd be really cool is if you could've used our ideas as springboards for YOUR OWN.

But what you did was not cool man. Not the end of the world, but not cool to just lift both the name and logo from a very distinguished and long-running HH league. Think original, and don't be lazy.

I'd like to hear your take on this, BTW.

-E

p.s. Normally I don't just blast people openly on the forum, but I felt strongly about this.

BigBambino · 04-06-2004, 07:24 PM

hmm, I know i'd be pissed if someone came along and just stole not only my Leagues name, but the logo too!! It doesn't take along time to think of a name, and hell if you need a banner, there ar eplenty of guys to do that for you...gotta be origional man. Do the right thing

enuttage · 04-06-2004, 07:26 PM

Exactly my point!

Hell, if he'd have asked about the logo, and liked the feet on it, I would've supplied him with a raw file of his own to do whatever he wanted with. I love helpin' folks out! Too bad he didn't put in the effort on this one.

-E

KidRock · 04-06-2004, 08:07 PM

enuttage,

First you should check your FACTS before making assumtions in public and making yourself look like an idiot.

First I have never played or even had HighHeat installed on my computer and hence havent a clue about any HH leagues or their names. Second to BigBonehead their the name TCBL was created by me in 1995 and a BBPRO league called TripleCrown Baseball League which I ran for many seasons was the first TCBL. When my freind (webmaster) comes online I supply you with a link of an old geocities site that has a temp site TCBL use to use to prove this fact. Third I did not STEAL any logo, the logo I am using was given to me by a friend who was asked to come up with something for me...I persoanly SUCK EGGS in making grafics.

As I can see here it is the same LOGO and if you do not want me to use it I have NO PROBLEM taking it down and creating another league grafic. If you are indeed the one who made it I say it is preaty cool but I dought MLB comes crying to you like some 9 year old girl your little leqague their has STOLEN their MLB TEAM logo's that are on your site as well...whats the matter you cant MAKE YOUR OWN?? in your own words what the matter are you guys to LAZY to make your own you have to steal logo's??

LivnLegend · 04-06-2004, 08:29 PM

Hey, I see you are using my fictional league photo pack!

By the way, I can see someone getting upset about one league using the logo designed by another league but I hope no one is arguing over the use of "Triple Play" being used as the name of a a baseball league

dougaiton · 04-06-2004, 10:05 PM

Methinks a sticky should be in order from Karen, Steve, Henry or Andreas or something about the neccessity of asking permission to use other people's web-code.

Most shockingly of all, a second sticky should be required that all leagues use LL's fictional face pack and DD's non-fictional face-pack in some way.

Thanks.

BigBambino · 04-06-2004, 10:08 PM

I Have to Agree with this 100%

enuttage · 04-06-2004, 11:10 PM

First of all, my sincere apologies to you KidRock for assuming that the league *name* was taken from ours.

Secondly, it IS my logo. I designed it, with the help of my wife, about 18 months (maybe two years) ago.

My only request is that you have a serious talk with whoever your friend is and let them know that they shouldn't be passing off my work as their own.

Thirdly, my work was taken without credit or permission, which is all I ever would've asked for. That fact stands.

Lastly, if the logo was presented to you as someone else's, then yes, I would appreciate it if you would either

a) Credit me and/or my wife for the graphics.

or

b) Remove the banner from your site given the circumstances surrounding the usage.

Thanks,

-E

enuttage · 04-06-2004, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LivnLegend
Hey, I see you are using my fictional league photo pack!

By the way, I can see someone getting upset about one league using the logo designed by another league but I hope no one is arguing over the use of "Triple Play" being used as the name of a a baseball league

LL,

I think my beef was more in the fact that originally I thought the league name was based around the, um, misrepresented logo.

As I mentioned to KidRock, I was a bit haste in my assumption that he had lifted the name as well.

-E

bigphesta · 04-07-2004, 12:36 AM

well I have my league copyrighted, and as your attorney, I strongly suggest you rent a very fast car with no roof and....

KidRock · 04-07-2004, 07:56 AM

No problem here.... I did not ask where he got it when he gave it to me but I am sure when I do ask him he will tell me. As for credit now dont take this wrong or what I am about to say to everyone.... The logo is great and I like it a lot and have no problem telling people where it came from but if your asking for your name to be posted on the site that I rather take it down... no biggie either way to me.

Now some thoughts on this whole USING/STEALING web sites and grafics stuff I have read on this board many times people getting trashed for this I must say COME ON PEOPLE, GET A LIFE

Realy who realy cares what some gomers league site looks like other than some group of self involved geeks playing some fantasy baseball league....I consider myself in this group "GEEKS" because realy if you asked 100 ramdom people you meet in REAL LIFE what they thought about a person that spent his time playing imaganary baseball on the computer I think the word GEEK might come up....LOL

Now grafics ... I loaded at ramdom 25 OOTP leagues and looked them over and you know what 90% of them have used many STOLEN grafics..probibly a lot comming from MLB.COM or other OFFICAL baseball sites. So for the most part guys I seen cry and bitch about someone STEALING something should get out of that glass house before throwing stones around the board.

Websites...ok someone mentioned his site was copywrited...I dought very seriously he submited the proper paper work to the proper gonverment agency's to copywrite a FANTASY BASEBALL WEB SITE.....I am preaty sure any attourny you went to and said you wanted to create an action against another person because he "STOLE" your site would probibly laugh you out of his office.

Realy get over yourselfs...sorry if I pissed someone off but WOW
I constantly tell commishes I come across if they have a nice site and they done great work because many times commish is a unrewarding job and they like to hear those things but you guys are taking this way to far....

Its a hobby ... so lets say my hobby is stamp collecting and a guy next dor also has the same hobby ... I notice he has a nice preaty folder to hold his stamps ... so I run home and make the same folder.. color it the same .. is he gona be pounding on my door saying I stole his idea and I broke some copyright law???

Remember Imatation is the greatest form of flattery.

KidRock · 04-07-2004, 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigphesta
well I have my league copyrighted, and as your attorney, I strongly suggest you rent a very fast car with no roof and....

Sorry but I am gona use BigPhesta as an example....

This is posted at the bottom of the MLB site.....

The following are trademarks or service marks of Major League Baseball entities and may be used only with permission of Major League Baseball Properties, Inc. or the relevant Major League Baseball entity: Major League, Major League Baseball, MLB, the silhouetted batter logo, World Series, National League, American League, Division Series, League Championship Series, All-Star Game, and the names, nicknames, logos, uniform designs, color combinations, and slogans designating the Major League Baseball clubs and entities, and their respective mascots, events and exhibitions.

Now if you go to his NHHBL site I am sure you can see MLB logo's being used so did you contact them and get permission to use it??

I thought so .... please stop this you coppied my stuff crap or I have to show what hipocrates you are.

mad0die · 04-07-2004, 08:08 AM

KR - Here is a banner I "made" that you can use.

Enjoy!

KidRock · 04-07-2004, 08:19 AM

HMM I would have to change the league name to use that, lets see....

wait you better check this out

http://www.islandsoftwaredevelopment...tal_center.htm
This web was designed by Val Sasser, at Val@islandsoftwaredevelopment.com
Copyright © 2003 Friends of Big Lagoon/Perdido Key, Inc

Does Val know she stole your acronum?? FOBL

enuttage · 04-07-2004, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KidRock
No problem here.... I did not ask where he got it when he gave it to me but I am sure when I do ask him he will tell me. As for credit now dont take this wrong or what I am about to say to everyone.... The logo is great and I like it a lot and have no problem telling people where it came from but if your asking for your name to be posted on the site that I rather take it down... no biggie either way to me.

Then please take it down. There are plenty of websites that credit their artwork creators by their handles. If you don't have the common decency to do that (and I think we've answered that in this thread), then please remove it from both your site and your sig here at the boards.

And my suggestion is that the next time he "designs" something for you, you may want to ask a few more questions.

Thanks,

-E

IatricSB · 04-07-2004, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by enuttage
First of all, my sincere apologies to you KidRock for assuming that the league *name* was taken from ours.

Secondly, it IS my logo. I designed it, with the help of my wife, about 18 months (maybe two years) ago.

My only request is that you have a serious talk with whoever your friend is and let them know that they shouldn't be passing off my work as their own.

Thirdly, my work was taken without credit or permission, which is all I ever would've asked for. That fact stands.

Lastly, if the logo was presented to you as someone else's, then yes, I would appreciate it if you would either

a) Credit me and/or my wife for the graphics.

or

b) Remove the banner from your site given the circumstances surrounding the usage.

Thanks,

-E

I like the picture. Is it of a team that you play on. Who's the "shoeless" guy?

satchel · 04-07-2004, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by IatricSB
Who’s the “shoeless” guy?

Must be Toe Jackson.

bigphesta · 04-07-2004, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KidRock
Sorry but I am gona use BigPhesta as an example....

This is posted at the bottom of the MLB site.....

The following are trademarks or service marks of Major League Baseball entities and may be used only with permission of Major League Baseball Properties, Inc. or the relevant Major League Baseball entity: Major League, Major League Baseball, MLB, the silhouetted batter logo, World Series, National League, American League, Division Series, League Championship Series, All-Star Game, and the names, nicknames, logos, uniform designs, color combinations, and slogans designating the Major League Baseball clubs and entities, and their respective mascots, events and exhibitions.

Now if you go to his NHHBL site I am sure you can see MLB logo's being used so did you contact them and get permission to use it??

I thought so .... please stop this you coppied my stuff crap or I have to show what hipocrates you are.

Uhhh I have a letter from MLB citing their permission to use their logos (ok not really, but wouldn't it be funny if I did)

the fact is, from what little IP law I know, as long as the company who's copyrights you're infringing doesn't call you on it, you're fine. But once they call you on it, you better stop or face the piper. Kid Rock, face the piper. Take it down. Do it to save face cause from where I sit, an immature commish will NEVER get me to join their league (nor many others here) and you might have a hard time filling in the next position if you don't apologize and move on.

Recte44 · 04-07-2004, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mad0die
KR - Here is a banner I "made" that you can use.

Enjoy!

POST OF THE DAY!

Karen Lutz · 04-07-2004, 04:49 PM

I have only 1 contribution to this:

LINK

04-06-2004, 07:10 PM	#1
enuttage Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hill Country Posts: 2,431	Attn: KidRock of the "TCBL". Please Have Some Respect! As much as I would be flattered that you'd decided to use the same acronym for your league as that of my former High Heat residency, so carefully founded and very well-run by my friend concusion. And that you've decided to use the TCBL logo THAT I DESIGNED. It would've been real cool, had you just shot an e-mail someone's way and asked. See below for reference, for those of you who are unclear about what kidrock has done (or not done as it may be). My old league (founded and run by Concusion): http://www.enuttage.com/tcbl/ kidrock's "new" league: http://tcbl.game-server.cc/tcbl/html/ What'd be really cool is if you could've used our ideas as springboards for YOUR OWN. But what you did was not cool man. Not the end of the world, but not cool to just lift both the name and logo from a very distinguished and long-running HH league. Think original, and don't be lazy. I'd like to hear your take on this, BTW. -E p.s. Normally I don't just blast people openly on the forum, but I felt strongly about this. __________________ The former GM of the WHBL Managua Four Roses *"The best way to find out if you can trust somebody is to trust them."* Last edited by enuttage; 04-06-2004 at 07:18 PM.

04-06-2004, 07:26 PM	#3
enuttage Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hill Country Posts: 2,431	Exactly my point! Hell, if he'd have asked about the logo, and liked the feet on it, I would've supplied him with a raw file of his own to do whatever he wanted with. I love helpin' folks out! Too bad he didn't put in the effort on this one. -E __________________ The former GM of the WHBL Managua Four Roses *"The best way to find out if you can trust somebody is to trust them."*

04-06-2004, 08:29 PM	#5
LivnLegend Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: 100% pure adrenaline! Posts: 5,624	Hey, I see you are using my fictional league photo pack! By the way, I can see someone getting upset about one league using the logo designed by another league but I hope no one is arguing over the use of "Triple Play" being used as the name of a a baseball league __________________ Excess ain't rebellion. You're drinking what they're selling.

04-06-2004, 10:05 PM	#6
dougaiton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Location: Posts: 3,414	Methinks a sticky should be in order from Karen, Steve, Henry or Andreas or something about the neccessity of asking permission to use other people's web-code. Most shockingly of all, a second sticky should be required that all leagues use LL's fictional face pack and DD's non-fictional face-pack in some way. Thanks. __________________ tThis shower of clowns My park-adjusted, historically split Born in '69 league file! (also at Joe's wonderful site +BBSC)

04-06-2004, 11:10 PM	#8
enuttage Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hill Country Posts: 2,431	First of all, my sincere apologies to you KidRock for assuming that the league name was taken from ours. Secondly, it IS my logo. I designed it, with the help of my wife, about 18 months (maybe two years) ago. My only request is that you have a serious talk with whoever your friend is and let them know that they shouldn't be passing off my work as their own. Thirdly, my work was taken without credit or permission, which is all I ever would've asked for. That fact stands. Lastly, if the logo was presented to you as someone else's, then yes, I would appreciate it if you would either a) Credit me and/or my wife for the graphics. or b) Remove the banner from your site given the circumstances surrounding the usage. Thanks, -E __________________ The former GM of the WHBL Managua Four Roses *"The best way to find out if you can trust somebody is to trust them."* Last edited by enuttage; 04-06-2004 at 11:13 PM.

04-06-2004, 07:24 PM	#2
BigBambino All Star Starter Join Date: May 2003 Location: Auburn, ME Posts: 1,315	hmm, I know i'd be pissed if someone came along and just stole not only my Leagues name, but the logo too!! It doesn't take along time to think of a name, and hell if you need a banner, there ar eplenty of guys to do that for you...gotta be origional man. Do the right thing

04-06-2004, 08:07 PM	#4
KidRock Banned Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 113	enuttage, First you should check your FACTS before making assumtions in public and making yourself look like an idiot. First I have never played or even had HighHeat installed on my computer and hence havent a clue about any HH leagues or their names. Second to BigBonehead their the name TCBL was created by me in 1995 and a BBPRO league called TripleCrown Baseball League which I ran for many seasons was the first TCBL. When my freind (webmaster) comes online I supply you with a link of an old geocities site that has a temp site TCBL use to use to prove this fact. Third I did not STEAL any logo, the logo I am using was given to me by a friend who was asked to come up with something for me...I persoanly SUCK EGGS in making grafics. As I can see here it is the same LOGO and if you do not want me to use it I have NO PROBLEM taking it down and creating another league grafic. If you are indeed the one who made it I say it is preaty cool but I dought MLB comes crying to you like some 9 year old girl your little leqague their has STOLEN their MLB TEAM logo's that are on your site as well...whats the matter you cant MAKE YOUR OWN?? in your own words what the matter are you guys to LAZY to make your own you have to steal logo's??

04-06-2004, 10:08 PM	#7
BigBambino All Star Starter Join Date: May 2003 Location: Auburn, ME Posts: 1,315	I Have to Agree with this 100%

04-07-2004, 12:36 AM	#10
bigphesta Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Des Moines, Iowa Posts: 1,366	well I have my league copyrighted, and as your attorney, I strongly suggest you rent a very fast car with no roof and....

04-07-2004, 07:56 AM	#11
KidRock Banned Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 113	No problem here.... I did not ask where he got it when he gave it to me but I am sure when I do ask him he will tell me. As for credit now dont take this wrong or what I am about to say to everyone.... The logo is great and I like it a lot and have no problem telling people where it came from but if your asking for your name to be posted on the site that I rather take it down... no biggie either way to me. Now some thoughts on this whole USING/STEALING web sites and grafics stuff I have read on this board many times people getting trashed for this I must say COME ON PEOPLE, GET A LIFE Realy who realy cares what some gomers league site looks like other than some group of self involved geeks playing some fantasy baseball league....I consider myself in this group "GEEKS" because realy if you asked 100 ramdom people you meet in REAL LIFE what they thought about a person that spent his time playing imaganary baseball on the computer I think the word GEEK might come up....LOL Now grafics ... I loaded at ramdom 25 OOTP leagues and looked them over and you know what 90% of them have used many STOLEN grafics..probibly a lot comming from MLB.COM or other OFFICAL baseball sites. So for the most part guys I seen cry and bitch about someone STEALING something should get out of that glass house before throwing stones around the board. Websites...ok someone mentioned his site was copywrited...I dought very seriously he submited the proper paper work to the proper gonverment agency's to copywrite a FANTASY BASEBALL WEB SITE.....I am preaty sure any attourny you went to and said you wanted to create an action against another person because he "STOLE" your site would probibly laugh you out of his office. Realy get over yourselfs...sorry if I pissed someone off but WOW I constantly tell commishes I come across if they have a nice site and they done great work because many times commish is a unrewarding job and they like to hear those things but you guys are taking this way to far.... Its a hobby ... so lets say my hobby is stamp collecting and a guy next dor also has the same hobby ... I notice he has a nice preaty folder to hold his stamps ... so I run home and make the same folder.. color it the same .. is he gona be pounding on my door saying I stole his idea and I broke some copyright law??? Remember Imatation is the greatest form of flattery.

04-07-2004, 08:08 AM	#13
mad0die All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: TX Posts: 913	KR - Here is a banner I "made" that you can use. Enjoy! __________________ Commish GUBA

04-07-2004, 08:19 AM	#14
KidRock Banned Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 113	HMM I would have to change the league name to use that, lets see.... wait you better check this out http://www.islandsoftwaredevelopment...tal_center.htm This web was designed by Val Sasser, at Val@islandsoftwaredevelopment.com Copyright © 2003 Friends of Big Lagoon/Perdido Key, Inc Does Val know she stole your acronum?? FOBL

04-07-2004, 04:49 PM	#20
Karen Lutz Ball Breaker Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canada OOTPChampionships: 5 Posts: 898	I have only 1 contribution to this: LINK Last edited by Karen Lutz; 04-07-2004 at 04:53 PM.