Help needed for OOTP 6 :)

Markus Heinsohn · 03-01-2004, 03:58 AM

OK, I will soon code the new draft routines, and for that I need a little help. The generated players will include college and highschool stats. Now, I have no idea about college and highschool baseball, so I need some info:

How many games do college/HS play per year, and what are roughly the average stats? Also, how do great players perform relative to the average?

Thanks for the help!

Cheers,
Markus

PS: OOTP 6 screenshots later this week

Crapshoot · 03-01-2004, 04:07 AM

Of the top of my head Markus, baseballamerica would be a great place to get college stats. And they perform well above the mean in high school than college, for obvious reasons- higher level of competition. For high school stats- I have little information.

Crapshoot · 03-01-2004, 04:09 AM

http://dir.yahoo.com/Recreation/Spor...nd_University/

whole bunch of college baseball links.

fantom1979 · 03-01-2004, 04:27 AM

Here is baseball americas all american team for this year, gives you some examples of high school stats:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today...2004preaa.html

Just some high school stats I could find

Delmon Young (2002) .542/17/56
Joe Mauer (2001) .605/15/53
Rocco Baldelli (2000) .510/8/20
Adrian Gonzalez (2000) .624/14/35
Drew Henson (1998) .608/22/82

USA Today High School Players of the Year 1998-2002:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps...l/02allusa.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps...l/01allusa.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps...l/00allusa.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps...l/99allusa.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps...l/98allusa.htm

crackpott · 03-01-2004, 04:47 AM

if it wasn't 4:50 in the morning here, i'd help you out, Markus.

Glad to hear about the screenshots though, and if you need me to, i'll be happy to dedicate tomorrow evening to researching this. Just PM me.

Oh... and make a seperate K and BB rating.

sporr · 03-01-2004, 06:27 AM

Baseball America would be a great research site for you.

ctorg · 03-01-2004, 08:39 AM

I remember reading that most sucessful baseball hitters batted well over .500 on their high school teams, but this might be totally wrong. Maybe someone else could verify one way or the other.

sporr · 03-01-2004, 08:47 AM

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Originally posted by ctorg
I remember reading that most sucessful baseball hitters batted well over .500 on their high school teams, but this might be totally wrong. Maybe someone else could verify one way or the other.

It wouldn't be too surprising to see incredibly high averages in high school. Many high schools play ~20 games, so statistical extremes are exaggerated just as they are early on in the Major League season. Also, a really outstanding high school talent is probably going to be quite a bit above the average player in his league.

Jason · 03-01-2004, 08:52 AM

The teams I do play by play for average 27 games a season including playoffs. Most of the good players hit in the .500-.650 range although power numbers aren't usually up there. The best HR hitters on the teams I see around here usually end up around 12-14 HRs.

birdsofprey02 · 03-01-2004, 10:30 AM

Back in HS, the only players that could hit homeruns were the ones who could make it around the bases fast enough before the OF could get to the ball... (no fenses).

By the way Markus,

Maybe you should make the draft so that some of the players you know ALOT about because you sent scouts out to their respected schools/region and other players you know little about except what rumors and reports you hear from others. Kinda how NCAA football video games work.

GOod Idea? Yes? No?

Whitey · 03-01-2004, 10:51 AM

Daryl Strawberry hit over .700 in high school. I'm sure there are many others that did also.

DodgerBlue14 · 03-01-2004, 11:02 AM

For a typical high school season they will play about 30 games including the playoffs. Great prospects will hit greater than .500, greater than 12 homeruns, and around 40 RBI's. With Legion or some type of summer ball to play, where the talent is better and the average player is filtered out, stats will drop slightly and usually the great hitters will hit above .450 around 14 homeruns and a few more than 50 RBI's, while usually playing a 40 game season including the playoffs. Pitchers I think will be around the 2.00 for ERA and about 12 K's a game, but high school pithcers are mainly based on their future talent, and not what they show now, so it may take the kids a while before their stats get their. I've coached Legion baseball before so I tend to know a little about the high school boys. Hope this helps! Thanks for all your hard work!

Ragin Cajun · 03-01-2004, 11:27 AM

Just read an article on Joe Mauer. As mentioned above he hit over .600 his senior season. Also, he popped out ONCE and struck out ONCE.

JimboJones · 03-01-2004, 12:45 PM

Yikes, coding is not complete?! I guess it's not looking good for a opening day release.

statfreak · 03-01-2004, 01:47 PM

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Originally posted by JimboJones
Yikes, coding is not complete?! I guess it's not looking good for a opening day release.

Please don't speculate on things you know nothing about.

Thank you.

jbmagic · 03-01-2004, 02:32 PM

the problems with college and high school stats they use aluminuim bats...that boost there stats alot..

Raidergoo · 03-01-2004, 02:39 PM

High school stats are nearly useless due to the amount of intrerpretation needed to understand them.

I'd rather draft a .450 hitter from the Cincinnati Public High School system than a .600 hitter from a smaller school outside of Dayton, because I know there is better caliber pitching at Moeller, Elder, Princeton High Schools...

DodgerBlue14 · 03-01-2004, 02:52 PM

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High school stats are nearly useless due to the amount of intrerpretation needed to understand them.

Very good point, location and strength of league is a big factor!

Also, it would be cool if there was some way to see foreign players being implemented into the game, maybe through free angency. With the excitement that seems to occur every year with some new foreign player, it seems to be an important part of baseball now-a-days.

Henry · 03-01-2004, 02:53 PM

I would think some method of a scouting report would be better for HS and college instead of stats. There's so many varaibles as to how to interpret tham at these levels, I would think it better (and cleaner) to have the interpretation done by the game. It still doesn't have to be 100% correct.

Henry

dougaiton · 03-01-2004, 03:00 PM

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Originally posted by DodgerBlue14
Very good point, location and strength of league is a big factor!

To be honest, it would make such an improvement in drafting to those who wanted to play as close to 'stats only' as possible that I'd be more than willing to imagine a giant 'high-school' league which everyone played in facing the same level of opposition. Same goes for colleges.

At worst, you'd just pretend that a scout normalised the averages for you.

03-01-2004, 03:58 AM	#1
Markus Heinsohn Developer OOTP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 24,803	Help needed for OOTP 6 :) OK, I will soon code the new draft routines, and for that I need a little help. The generated players will include college and highschool stats. Now, I have no idea about college and highschool baseball, so I need some info: How many games do college/HS play per year, and what are roughly the average stats? Also, how do great players perform relative to the average? Thanks for the help! Cheers, Markus PS: OOTP 6 screenshots later this week

03-01-2004, 04:07 AM	#2
Crapshoot Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: watching: DArwin's missing link in action Posts: 3,112	Of the top of my head Markus, baseballamerica would be a great place to get college stats. And they perform well above the mean in high school than college, for obvious reasons- higher level of competition. For high school stats- I have little information. __________________ Senior Senor Member of the OOTP Boards Pittsburgh Playmates- OTBL

03-01-2004, 04:09 AM	#3
Crapshoot Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: watching: DArwin's missing link in action Posts: 3,112	http://dir.yahoo.com/Recreation/Spor...nd_University/ whole bunch of college baseball links. __________________ Senior Senor Member of the OOTP Boards Pittsburgh Playmates- OTBL

03-01-2004, 04:27 AM	#4
fantom1979 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 3,498	Here is baseball americas all american team for this year, gives you some examples of high school stats: http://www.baseballamerica.com/today...2004preaa.html Just some high school stats I could find Delmon Young (2002) .542/17/56 Joe Mauer (2001) .605/15/53 Rocco Baldelli (2000) .510/8/20 Adrian Gonzalez (2000) .624/14/35 Drew Henson (1998) .608/22/82 USA Today High School Players of the Year 1998-2002: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps...l/02allusa.htm http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps...l/01allusa.htm http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps...l/00allusa.htm http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps...l/99allusa.htm http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps...l/98allusa.htm __________________

03-01-2004, 04:47 AM	#5
crackpott Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,961	if it wasn't 4:50 in the morning here, i'd help you out, Markus. Glad to hear about the screenshots though, and if you need me to, i'll be happy to dedicate tomorrow evening to researching this. Just PM me. Oh... and make a seperate K and BB rating. __________________ Abandoned Planet - Check it out. The photos don't suck anymore.

03-01-2004, 06:27 AM	#6
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	Baseball America would be a great research site for you.

03-01-2004, 08:39 AM	#7
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	I remember reading that most sucessful baseball hitters batted well over .500 on their high school teams, but this might be totally wrong. Maybe someone else could verify one way or the other. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

03-01-2004, 08:52 AM	#9
Jason Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,855	The teams I do play by play for average 27 games a season including playoffs. Most of the good players hit in the .500-.650 range although power numbers aren't usually up there. The best HR hitters on the teams I see around here usually end up around 12-14 HRs.

03-01-2004, 10:30 AM	#10
birdsofprey02 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Baltimore Posts: 182	Back in HS, the only players that could hit homeruns were the ones who could make it around the bases fast enough before the OF could get to the ball... (no fenses). By the way Markus, Maybe you should make the draft so that some of the players you know ALOT about because you sent scouts out to their respected schools/region and other players you know little about except what rumors and reports you hear from others. Kinda how NCAA football video games work. GOod Idea? Yes? No? __________________ -Mike

03-01-2004, 10:51 AM	#11
Whitey Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 346	Daryl Strawberry hit over .700 in high school. I'm sure there are many others that did also. __________________ "Thanks for your time this time, until next time, so long." -The Late Great Jack Buck

03-01-2004, 11:02 AM	#12
DodgerBlue14 Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 59	For a typical high school season they will play about 30 games including the playoffs. Great prospects will hit greater than .500, greater than 12 homeruns, and around 40 RBI's. With Legion or some type of summer ball to play, where the talent is better and the average player is filtered out, stats will drop slightly and usually the great hitters will hit above .450 around 14 homeruns and a few more than 50 RBI's, while usually playing a 40 game season including the playoffs. Pitchers I think will be around the 2.00 for ERA and about 12 K's a game, but high school pithcers are mainly based on their future talent, and not what they show now, so it may take the kids a while before their stats get their. I've coached Legion baseball before so I tend to know a little about the high school boys. Hope this helps! Thanks for all your hard work! Last edited by DodgerBlue14; 03-01-2004 at 11:04 AM.

03-01-2004, 11:27 AM	#13
Ragin Cajun All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Atascosita, TX Posts: 1,173	Just read an article on Joe Mauer. As mentioned above he hit over .600 his senior season. Also, he popped out ONCE and struck out ONCE. __________________ Former NBSL Commissioner: 16 years Former Online League Owner; six time champion

03-01-2004, 12:45 PM	#14
JimboJones Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 210	Yikes, coding is not complete?! I guess it's not looking good for a opening day release.

03-01-2004, 02:32 PM	#16
jbmagic Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,417	the problems with college and high school stats they use aluminuim bats...that boost there stats alot..

03-01-2004, 02:39 PM	#17
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,005	High school stats are nearly useless due to the amount of intrerpretation needed to understand them. I'd rather draft a .450 hitter from the Cincinnati Public High School system than a .600 hitter from a smaller school outside of Dayton, because I know there is better caliber pitching at Moeller, Elder, Princeton High Schools...

03-01-2004, 02:53 PM	#19
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	I would think some method of a scouting report would be better for HS and college instead of stats. There's so many varaibles as to how to interpret tham at these levels, I would think it better (and cleaner) to have the interpretation done by the game. It still doesn't have to be 100% correct. Henry