Database vs. Roster

georgebailey55 · 02-20-2004, 04:43 PM

I recently got a copy of Season Ticket Baseball and want to start simulating a season as the manager of a single team with the computer controlling all others. However, I have a couple of questions.

1) What is the difference between a database file (e.g., the Lahman database) and a roster set (e.g., the Rolen roster set)?

2) Can either be used to start simulating a season or create a league that I can perpetuate?

3) Will the most recent versions of either the database files or roster sets work even though I am using an older version of Season Ticket Baseball?

4) What are the advantages/disadvantages of using one or the other?

Nukester · 02-20-2004, 07:24 PM

The database is exactly that...a database of stats from all players from 1871 to 2003 (or 2004 ?). This is used to create a historical league in the game. If you create a historical league, at the end of each season, the game will ask if you want to import real rookies and place them on their correct teams or draft them in an ammy draft.

A roster set is an actual league from the game. Someone setup a league in the game, and is distributing it. These are usually current rosters, but could be created from someone importing a season from the database, then distributing it as a game league folder.

Both can be used to start a career league, but with the roster set, you are limited to starting in that year of the set. If you want to start a a league in say 1927 or 1953 or 1998, you will need to import as a hsitorical league from the database (of course, unless you can find a roster set where this is already done for you and distributed as a roster set).

The most recent version of the lahman database will NOT work with Season Ticket. You need a version 4.0 or 4.1 database.

The main advantage of using the database is that you can start a league from any year you want from 1900-2003 (or whenever the database ends). Disadvantage is that the ratings from the database could be really bad, because of missing data or whatever in the database. Things like run/steal ratings and fielding ratings could be very messed up.

Main advantage of the roster set is that all of the rating updates and correct ballparks and stuff should already be done for you. Disadvantage is that you have to start the league from that particular year.

Just an FYI, anything you read in the forums about OOTP4 will work for Season Ticket Baseball (they are 99.999% the same game)

Take a look through the OOTP FAQ forum for more helpful info.
Hope this helps a bit !

georgebailey55 · 02-23-2004, 09:59 AM

So essentially if I want to start a career league, by using a roster set I am limited to starting with that season. With the Lahman database I can start with any old season. That is the main difference in terms of players, yes?

And one limit of the roster set is whether or not the author has imported all of the players and prospects, correct?

Other than that, I could use either and the process of importing the roster set and database are similar?

Cowboys3356 · 02-23-2004, 11:20 AM

The Lahman's database is extremely inaccurate in terms of player ratings. A ratings set as usually been heavily edited by its creater and will be more historically accurate. The downside of a roster set is that you have to start in whatever year the set is created for but of course you can continue forward into the future.

Download my 1993 roster set for an example of what I am talking about. Then import a 1993 Lahman season and notice the differences in player ratings.

Best of luck!

Nukester · 02-24-2004, 10:34 PM

Right. Because the original lahman database will give original "ratings" based on the players first season in the majors, some ratings can be weird. For instance, Ty Cobb had a pretty crappy first season, so he will import will low initial ratings. His "talents" will still be nice, but he will take a bit longer to reach them because of the low initial "ratings".

Because of this, I almost always use a career based database for historical leagues. One of these will give a player an intial rating on par with their entire career instead of the intial first season.

Ankit has done alot of work with the database and has created 2 really good ones. One is a career based database and the other is like the original database, but eliminates alot of "cup of coffee" players that will become gods because they went 2-4 in their career, an debuts a player, not in the year they actually made their 1st career AB (like the original DB does) but debuts a player when they had their 1st signifigant number of AB's.

Definitely suggest looking into the Ankit DB's for historical leagues. A word of warning though.....even using these databases, its a good idea to give the players a once-over. With a roster set, usually the creater has done all of the work for you, but for a particular year.

Carlton · 02-25-2004, 11:14 PM

^^
What nuke said

and

on your last question...big difference between a roster set and database

roster set you can d/l and zip the files into a .lg folder ans you are set to go

with the database you have to set up the c:\stats folder...start a new or historical career and import them as such

sporr · 02-26-2004, 10:11 AM

In general, roster sets are much more accurate for the specific season that they are based on. Most roster sets are for current seasons and try to have all of the real major and minor leaguers rated based on how the creator thinks they will perform. The database, on the other hand, is used for past seasons only.

02-20-2004, 04:43 PM	#1
georgebailey55 Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 5	Database vs. Roster I recently got a copy of Season Ticket Baseball and want to start simulating a season as the manager of a single team with the computer controlling all others. However, I have a couple of questions. 1) What is the difference between a database file (e.g., the Lahman database) and a roster set (e.g., the Rolen roster set)? 2) Can either be used to start simulating a season or create a league that I can perpetuate? 3) Will the most recent versions of either the database files or roster sets work even though I am using an older version of Season Ticket Baseball? 4) What are the advantages/disadvantages of using one or the other?

02-20-2004, 07:24 PM	#2
Nukester All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Newburgh, NY Posts: 1,923	The database is exactly that...a database of stats from all players from 1871 to 2003 (or 2004 ?). This is used to create a historical league in the game. If you create a historical league, at the end of each season, the game will ask if you want to import real rookies and place them on their correct teams or draft them in an ammy draft. A roster set is an actual league from the game. Someone setup a league in the game, and is distributing it. These are usually current rosters, but could be created from someone importing a season from the database, then distributing it as a game league folder. Both can be used to start a career league, but with the roster set, you are limited to starting in that year of the set. If you want to start a a league in say 1927 or 1953 or 1998, you will need to import as a hsitorical league from the database (of course, unless you can find a roster set where this is already done for you and distributed as a roster set). The most recent version of the lahman database will NOT work with Season Ticket. You need a version 4.0 or 4.1 database. The main advantage of using the database is that you can start a league from any year you want from 1900-2003 (or whenever the database ends). Disadvantage is that the ratings from the database could be really bad, because of missing data or whatever in the database. Things like run/steal ratings and fielding ratings could be very messed up. Main advantage of the roster set is that all of the rating updates and correct ballparks and stuff should already be done for you. Disadvantage is that you have to start the league from that particular year. Just an FYI, anything you read in the forums about OOTP4 will work for Season Ticket Baseball (they are 99.999% the same game) Take a look through the OOTP FAQ forum for more helpful info. Hope this helps a bit ! Last edited by Nukester; 02-20-2004 at 07:26 PM.

02-23-2004, 09:59 AM	#3
georgebailey55 Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 5	Let me make sure I understand So essentially if I want to start a career league, by using a roster set I am limited to starting with that season. With the Lahman database I can start with any old season. That is the main difference in terms of players, yes? And one limit of the roster set is whether or not the author has imported all of the players and prospects, correct? Other than that, I could use either and the process of importing the roster set and database are similar?

02-25-2004, 11:14 PM	#6
Carlton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,765	^^ What nuke said and on your last question...big difference between a roster set and database roster set you can d/l and zip the files into a .lg folder ans you are set to go with the database you have to set up the c:\stats folder...start a new or historical career and import them as such __________________ "I am at that stage of my life where I keep myself out of arguments. I am 100% self sufficient spiritually, emotionally & financially. Even if you say 1+1=5, you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. Enjoy!"

02-23-2004, 11:20 AM	#4
Cowboys3356 All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,571	The Lahman's database is extremely inaccurate in terms of player ratings. A ratings set as usually been heavily edited by its creater and will be more historically accurate. The downside of a roster set is that you have to start in whatever year the set is created for but of course you can continue forward into the future. Download my 1993 roster set for an example of what I am talking about. Then import a 1993 Lahman season and notice the differences in player ratings. Best of luck!

02-24-2004, 10:34 PM	#5
Nukester All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Newburgh, NY Posts: 1,923	Right. Because the original lahman database will give original "ratings" based on the players first season in the majors, some ratings can be weird. For instance, Ty Cobb had a pretty crappy first season, so he will import will low initial ratings. His "talents" will still be nice, but he will take a bit longer to reach them because of the low initial "ratings". Because of this, I almost always use a career based database for historical leagues. One of these will give a player an intial rating on par with their entire career instead of the intial first season. Ankit has done alot of work with the database and has created 2 really good ones. One is a career based database and the other is like the original database, but eliminates alot of "cup of coffee" players that will become gods because they went 2-4 in their career, an debuts a player, not in the year they actually made their 1st career AB (like the original DB does) but debuts a player when they had their 1st signifigant number of AB's. Definitely suggest looking into the Ankit DB's for historical leagues. A word of warning though.....even using these databases, its a good idea to give the players a once-over. With a roster set, usually the creater has done all of the work for you, but for a particular year.

02-26-2004, 10:11 AM	#7
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	In general, roster sets are much more accurate for the specific season that they are based on. Most roster sets are for current seasons and try to have all of the real major and minor leaguers rated based on how the creator thinks they will perform. The database, on the other hand, is used for past seasons only.