An OOTP Record?

JoshSamBob · 01-30-2004, 12:57 PM

A 25-inning Game

Simply stunning. This certainly points out some flaws in OOTPs pitcher-management AI, but the hell with that. Is this the longest OOTP game you've ever seen?

- - - JSB

jeheinz72 · 01-30-2004, 01:19 PM

Wow...that's crazy. Sucks to be Richard Malendez and his 0 for 10. I think the AI did it just about right, I mean, in a game that long, you are going to run out of arms, and I think RL managers would just use the next days starter and start over...

Wilt · 01-30-2004, 01:56 PM

wow, both starting pitchers were terrific! one gave up 2 hits in 8 innings (no runs) and the other 3 hits in 8 innings (0 runs) but f course no win.

Henry · 01-30-2004, 03:21 PM

Just out of interest, why would you say the game pointed out flaws in the AI ? The AI went to 2 inning stints for each reliever until it ran out of pitchers. The only thing I would have "liked" to see different, is for the AI to go to a starter once it reached that point.

Henry

ChampMan · 01-30-2004, 03:34 PM

Now thats a boxscore!!!

tward13 · 01-30-2004, 04:40 PM

Looks reasonable to me. There have been a handful of games around this length in major league history. I think teh mets played in and lost most of them.

Back in 1920 there was a game that went 26 innings and finished in a 1-1 tie. Only difference is both pitchers tossed complete games. Joe Oeschger and Leon Cadore.

Aussie Mark · 01-30-2004, 05:12 PM

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Originally posted by Henry
The only thing I would have "liked" to see different, is for the AI to go to a starter once it reached that point.

The trouble is, when you're in the 9th, you're not expecting the game to go to 25 innings. The manager is thinking someone will score a run next inning maybe, so he uses the bullpen because it might only go for a couple more innings. It's a tricky decision to say "I'll bring a starter in now" when you have no idea how long the game will go.

hays23 · 01-30-2004, 06:10 PM

i run the knoxville team that played in this game. the thing that bothered me most was the fact that the last man out of the pen was my lead set-up man. he ended up throwing 161 pitches which is not what i need from him. meanwhile my mop-up reliever who has A duration was used somewhere in the middle and only threw two innings.

Randall · 01-30-2004, 06:11 PM

I believe Henry ment after the 17th inning, is when he would have likedd the managers to have SPers go the remaining 8 inningsa, and not a MR go those last 8....

Cuss16 · 01-30-2004, 06:44 PM

nice!

Treches · 01-30-2004, 06:49 PM

Well, 16 KO's and just 6 hits after 8 innings and 161 pitches by a reliever who was suppossed to be totally wasted (he even threw 22 pitches the day before) certainly puts a question mark on the fatigue feature, in my opinion.

Henry · 01-30-2004, 07:50 PM

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Originally posted by Randall
I believe Henry ment after the 17th inning, is when he would have likedd the managers to have SPers go the remaining 8 inningsa, and not a MR go those last 8....

Yep, that's what I meant

Henry

Henry · 01-30-2004, 08:00 PM

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Originally posted by Treches
Well, 16 KO's and just 6 hits after 8 innings and 161 pitches by a reliever who was suppossed to be totally wasted (he even threw 22 pitches the day before) certainly puts a question mark on the fatigue feature, in my opinion.

Well, his "Brilliant" got him the strikeouts, and it looks like he was plenty fatigued (8 walks + 6 hits in nine innings). After he gave up a double and HR to the 1st 2 batters (18th), he pretty much got by on his strikeouts until the 23rd. The 23rd, 24th, and 25th are downright ugly... he was lucky he only gave up 1 run in that mess.

Henry

fantom1979 · 01-30-2004, 08:53 PM

Record in my book, the longest i have ever seen is around 18 innings.

rem · 01-30-2004, 10:18 PM

This game seems to point out more flaws in pitcher fatigue, but it's still an awesome game so no worries.

http://www.amalgamusic.com/ubl1/box600.html

Delgadodawg · 01-30-2004, 11:47 PM

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Originally posted by Henry
Well, his "Brilliant" got him the strikeouts, and it looks like he was plenty fatigued (8 walks + 6 hits in nine innings). After he gave up a double and HR to the 1st 2 batters (18th), he pretty much got by on his strikeouts until the 23rd. The 23rd, 24th, and 25th are downright ugly... he was lucky he only gave up 1 run in that mess.

Henry

It still is a flaw Henry. Never would a manager let a reliever throw 160 pitches. A starter would have been in by this point.

tward13 · 01-31-2004, 12:07 AM

In any individual game anything can happen. I wouldn't call it a flaw unless there was a pattern.

For example in the Mets - Braves 19 inning July 4, 1985 game Mets reliever Doug Sisk pitched 4 innings and Tom Gorman, who started only 7 of 126 ML games pitched 6 innings. It was only in the 19th that the Mets brought in starter Ron Darling. They had run out of relievers because Orosco and McDowell had only pitched 2/3 of an inning each.

paulywerner · 01-31-2004, 01:32 AM

We had a 27 inning game in the AOBL either last season or the season before... If I can find the box score in my almanac, i will post it... I beleive the score was something like 12-10. There was scoring in 3 or 4 of the extra innings, but the home team kept scoring just enough to prolong their defeat. Also, had a post season game go 19 innings.

Delgadodawg · 01-31-2004, 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by tward13
In any individual game anything can happen. I wouldn't call it a flaw unless there was a pattern.

For example in the Mets - Braves 19 inning July 4, 1985 game Mets reliever Doug Sisk pitched 4 innings and Tom Gorman, who started only 7 of 126 ML games pitched 6 innings. It was only in the 19th that the Mets brought in starter Ron Darling. They had run out of relievers because Orosco and McDowell had only pitched 2/3 of an inning each.

Yeah exactly my point, he didn't let Gorman or Sisk throw 161 pitches. Gorman had started a couple of games during the season as well as in years past so he was capable of going 5 or 6 innings, especially in a pinch.

Of course anything can happen, but in OOTP this would happen most of the time, if not all of the time I would guess.

MJohnson · 01-31-2004, 01:32 PM

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Originally posted by tward13

For example in the Mets - Braves 19 inning July 4, 1985 game Mets reliever Doug Sisk pitched 4 innings and Tom Gorman, who started only 7 of 126 ML games pitched 6 innings. It was only in the 19th that the Mets brought in starter Ron Darling. They had run out of relievers because Orosco and McDowell had only pitched 2/3 of an inning each.

The best part of that game was Rick Camp's homer with 2 outs in the bottom of the 18th. A pitcher with a career average of .074 tying the game.

There was also a 90 minute rain delay before the game and some fans stayed for the fireworks display after the game. Nothing like 4 am fireworks on the 4th/5th

01-30-2004, 12:57 PM	#1
JoshSamBob Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Near Boston Posts: 143	An OOTP Record? A 25-inning Game Simply stunning. This certainly points out some flaws in OOTPs pitcher-management AI, but the hell with that. Is this the longest OOTP game you've ever seen? - - - JSB __________________

01-30-2004, 01:19 PM	#2
jeheinz72 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Fresno, CA Posts: 2,164	Wow...that's crazy. Sucks to be Richard Malendez and his 0 for 10. I think the AI did it just about right, I mean, in a game that long, you are going to run out of arms, and I think RL managers would just use the next days starter and start over... __________________ Join The Dugout!

01-30-2004, 01:56 PM	#3
Wilt Minors (Double A) Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: in the paint Posts: 179	wow, both starting pitchers were terrific! one gave up 2 hits in 8 innings (no runs) and the other 3 hits in 8 innings (0 runs) but f course no win. __________________ Blank until I can find my tripping penguin again!

01-30-2004, 03:34 PM	#5
ChampMan Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Melbourne,FL Posts: 363	Now thats a boxscore!!! __________________ http://burrowsleague.com/BLBWeb.html

01-30-2004, 06:11 PM	#9
Randall Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: VA Posts: 321	I believe Henry ment after the 17th inning, is when he would have likedd the managers to have SPers go the remaining 8 inningsa, and not a MR go those last 8.... __________________ Randall FORT - Atlanta Braves CPL - Pittsburg Pirates Formerly NABL - Philadelphia Phillies Formerly GMC - Vasto Rangers Formerly NBA - Atlanta Braves - 1973 Champ Formerly ThePBL - Anaheim Angels - 1975 Champ

01-30-2004, 03:21 PM	#4
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	Just out of interest, why would you say the game pointed out flaws in the AI ? The AI went to 2 inning stints for each reliever until it ran out of pitchers. The only thing I would have "liked" to see different, is for the AI to go to a starter once it reached that point. Henry

01-30-2004, 04:40 PM	#6
tward13 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,965	Looks reasonable to me. There have been a handful of games around this length in major league history. I think teh mets played in and lost most of them. Back in 1920 there was a game that went 26 innings and finished in a 1-1 tie. Only difference is both pitchers tossed complete games. Joe Oeschger and Leon Cadore.

01-30-2004, 06:10 PM	#8
hays23 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Tennessee Posts: 101	i run the knoxville team that played in this game. the thing that bothered me most was the fact that the last man out of the pen was my lead set-up man. he ended up throwing 161 pitches which is not what i need from him. meanwhile my mop-up reliever who has A duration was used somewhere in the middle and only threw two innings.

01-30-2004, 06:44 PM	#10
Cuss16 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: BC, CANADA Posts: 2,994	nice! __________________

01-30-2004, 06:49 PM	#11
Treches Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Damned Hell Posts: 2,150	Well, 16 KO's and just 6 hits after 8 innings and 161 pitches by a reliever who was suppossed to be totally wasted (he even threw 22 pitches the day before) certainly puts a question mark on the fatigue feature, in my opinion. __________________ The Computer Baseball League

01-30-2004, 08:53 PM	#14
fantom1979 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 3,498	Record in my book, the longest i have ever seen is around 18 innings. __________________

01-30-2004, 10:18 PM	#15
rem Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: College Park, Md. Posts: 5,024	This game seems to point out more flaws in pitcher fatigue, but it's still an awesome game so no worries. http://www.amalgamusic.com/ubl1/box600.html __________________ OTBA: Washington Filibusters CLBR: Minnesota Twins 2005 Winner of LL's Pick the Loser Contest! - 15-0

01-31-2004, 12:07 AM	#17
tward13 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,965	In any individual game anything can happen. I wouldn't call it a flaw unless there was a pattern. For example in the Mets - Braves 19 inning July 4, 1985 game Mets reliever Doug Sisk pitched 4 innings and Tom Gorman, who started only 7 of 126 ML games pitched 6 innings. It was only in the 19th that the Mets brought in starter Ron Darling. They had run out of relievers because Orosco and McDowell had only pitched 2/3 of an inning each.

01-31-2004, 01:32 AM	#18
paulywerner Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 319	We had a 27 inning game in the AOBL either last season or the season before... If I can find the box score in my almanac, i will post it... I beleive the score was something like 12-10. There was scoring in 3 or 4 of the extra innings, but the home team kept scoring just enough to prolong their defeat. Also, had a post season game go 19 innings. __________________ "I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it." OTBA Manhattan Millionaires The Juiced Baseball League Kansas City Royals United Baseball League Montreal Expos Bricks and Ivy Washington Nationals