40 man rosters

targy · 03-22-2002, 07:45 AM

I started my league in 1977 and now I am up to 1981 and whe I get to the sept 1st call up date no team fills their roster to 40 players.....I get some teams with 34 players and some teams with less than that

Scott Vibert · 03-22-2002, 08:05 AM

Keep in mind some players are learning new positions and may not be finished learning and that by promoting a player to the major league roster you start his automatic contract clock ticking bring his free agency closer to occurring which isn't always advantageous.

Khaos · 03-22-2002, 08:06 AM

I don't believe the 40 man roster is mandatory. Maybe the clubs don't want to pay the salary?

Arbiter · 03-22-2002, 08:23 AM

While I noted a similar experience in the other thread concerning this, I will also chime in to point out that most MLB teams don't actually carry, or at least dress, the full 40, for various reasons (some of which are, and some of which aren't, in OOTP at this point).

Scott Vibert · 03-22-2002, 08:25 AM

Its not mandatory in fact very few MLB teams fill up to the 40 man limit in real life... normally for the not starting the clock reasons (unless the player is really close to the big leagues (like will be there next year, why start the clock if you don't have too), although they'll sometimes reward a non-prospect for a decent season (often before the player is released to the wolves of minor league free agency).

Arbiter · 03-22-2002, 08:31 AM

[quote]Originally posted by ScottVib:
<strong>Its not mandatory in fact very few MLB teams fill up to the 40 man limit in real life... normally for the not starting the clock reasons (unless the player is really close to the big leagues (like will be there next year, why start the clock if you don't have too), although they'll sometimes reward a non-prospect for a decent season (often before the player is released to the wolves of minor league free agency).</strong><hr></blockquote>

OK, this is getting off-topic for the board, but the last statement isn't quite true: in order to play for the major league team, one has to be on the 40-man "major league" roster -- which is different from the "active" roster (which is 25 before 9/1, and 40 after). So, any non-prospect in that situation will have their contract bought by the parent club and placed on the major league roster -- so they won't be minor league free agents, technically (since minor league free agency is a different animal).

Baseball's transaction rules are really fascinating, but a lot of them are "sekrit". I've only gotten a peek once at the actual manual book; it was kind of cool.

Scott Vibert · 03-22-2002, 08:50 AM

I know this... I avoided the contract purchased lingo to avoid confusing people... (obviously this didn't work)

A good transaction primer for the lay person is here:

<a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/s/1999/0908/46397.html" target="_blank">http://espn.go.com/mlb/s/1999/0908/46397.html</a>

mtw · 03-22-2002, 09:21 AM

I think this is a bug, although I'm not sure if it is league specific or in OOTP4 in general. Every AI team in my league took its roster to only 32-34 players--which is not the problem IMHO. What is the problem, and maybe targy can confirm this, is that the AI only brought up pitchers, and in some cases sent down a position player or two.

I tried running in different Eras and doing the Automanage, but the rosters remained the same. Effectively, because the AI doesn't generally use call ups at most positions, this isn't a huge problem, but with a second experience of this there seems to be a hiccup somewhere. My league was imported from OOTP3, so maybe that is one possibility. Otherwise, I'm not sure where to look.

Scott Vibert · 03-22-2002, 10:08 AM

I haven't noticed it in fictional leagues, but admittedly I haven't looked too hard for it...

Has anyone seen this in a non-historical league?

Arbiter · 03-22-2002, 11:31 AM

[quote]Originally posted by ScottVib:
<strong>I haven't noticed it in fictional leagues, but admittedly I haven't looked too hard for it...

Has anyone seen this in a non-historical league?</strong><hr></blockquote>

As I mentioned in the other thread on this, I've seen some comparable results in my fictional league during the season I completed today: 9/1 callups were almost exclusively MRs.

03-22-2002, 07:45 AM	#1
targy All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 1,152	40 man rosters I started my league in 1977 and now I am up to 1981 and whe I get to the sept 1st call up date no team fills their roster to 40 players.....I get some teams with 34 players and some teams with less than that __________________ www.emerge180.com

03-22-2002, 08:06 AM	#3
Khaos Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Canfield, OH Posts: 473	I don't believe the 40 man roster is mandatory. Maybe the clubs don't want to pay the salary? __________________ squish

03-22-2002, 09:21 AM	#8
mtw All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 653	I think this is a bug, although I'm not sure if it is league specific or in OOTP4 in general. Every AI team in my league took its roster to only 32-34 players--which is not the problem IMHO. What is the problem, and maybe targy can confirm this, is that the AI only brought up pitchers, and in some cases sent down a position player or two. I tried running in different Eras and doing the Automanage, but the rosters remained the same. Effectively, because the AI doesn't generally use call ups at most positions, this isn't a huge problem, but with a second experience of this there seems to be a hiccup somewhere. My league was imported from OOTP3, so maybe that is one possibility. Otherwise, I'm not sure where to look. __________________ Over-Zealous Apologist

03-22-2002, 08:05 AM	#2
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,210	Keep in mind some players are learning new positions and may not be finished learning and that by promoting a player to the major league roster you start his automatic contract clock ticking bring his free agency closer to occurring which isn't always advantageous.

03-22-2002, 08:23 AM	#4
Arbiter Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: College Station TX Posts: 127	While I noted a similar experience in the other thread concerning this, I will also chime in to point out that most MLB teams don't actually carry, or at least dress, the full 40, for various reasons (some of which are, and some of which aren't, in OOTP at this point).

03-22-2002, 08:25 AM	#5
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,210	Its not mandatory in fact very few MLB teams fill up to the 40 man limit in real life... normally for the not starting the clock reasons (unless the player is really close to the big leagues (like will be there next year, why start the clock if you don't have too), although they'll sometimes reward a non-prospect for a decent season (often before the player is released to the wolves of minor league free agency).

03-22-2002, 08:31 AM	#6
Arbiter Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: College Station TX Posts: 127	[quote]Originally posted by ScottVib: <strong>Its not mandatory in fact very few MLB teams fill up to the 40 man limit in real life... normally for the not starting the clock reasons (unless the player is really close to the big leagues (like will be there next year, why start the clock if you don't have too), although they'll sometimes reward a non-prospect for a decent season (often before the player is released to the wolves of minor league free agency).</strong><hr></blockquote> OK, this is getting off-topic for the board, but the last statement isn't quite true: in order to play for the major league team, one has to be on the 40-man "major league" roster -- which is different from the "active" roster (which is 25 before 9/1, and 40 after). So, any non-prospect in that situation will have their contract bought by the parent club and placed on the major league roster -- so they won't be minor league free agents, technically (since minor league free agency is a different animal). Baseball's transaction rules are really fascinating, but a lot of them are "sekrit". I've only gotten a peek once at the actual manual book; it was kind of cool.

03-22-2002, 08:50 AM	#7
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,210	I know this... I avoided the contract purchased lingo to avoid confusing people... (obviously this didn't work) A good transaction primer for the lay person is here: <a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/s/1999/0908/46397.html" target="_blank">http://espn.go.com/mlb/s/1999/0908/46397.html</a>

03-22-2002, 10:08 AM	#9
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,210	I haven't noticed it in fictional leagues, but admittedly I haven't looked too hard for it... Has anyone seen this in a non-historical league?

03-22-2002, 11:31 AM	#10
Arbiter Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: College Station TX Posts: 127	[quote]Originally posted by ScottVib: <strong>I haven't noticed it in fictional leagues, but admittedly I haven't looked too hard for it... Has anyone seen this in a non-historical league?</strong><hr></blockquote> As I mentioned in the other thread on this, I've seen some comparable results in my fictional league during the season I completed today: 9/1 callups were almost exclusively MRs.