league import finances

obaslg · 03-20-2002, 11:48 AM

The patch improved this a bit, but I still don't get it. Here are the before and after of the LAST year's finances when I imported my OOTP3 league.

Attendance: 31,167,812 same
Att. Rev.: $24,854,519 $31,678,120
Broad. Rev.: $38,296,482 $31,000,000
Merch. Rev.: $33,600,551 $ 9,295,285
Playoff Rev: $ 4,255,397 $ 0
Salary: $83,357,008 $70,084,920
Profit: $17,649,941 $1,888,485

[Edit: When I typed it up, this comparison was nice and neat - I hope it's still legible.]

I'm mystified. I don't know why there would be any change in the PRIOR year's numbers. If there's some need for that, I can understand the attendance revenue adjustment, to account for the new ticket price system, and a corresponding adjustment in total broad/merch revenue to adjust back. Instead, while it shows a attendance revenue of about $7 mil more, the total B/M revenue it shows is $32 mil less. And why no playoff revenue? Etc., etc. This looks to me like it still needs a major revision - until then, I don't see how online leagues can make the transition.

[ March 20, 2002: Message edited by: obaslg ]</p>

Steve Kuffrey · 03-20-2002, 12:42 PM

Was this import made using the most recent update of patch b?

obaslg · 03-20-2002, 04:38 PM

Um...there's an update of the patch, but it has the same version ID? That's weird... What does it fix?

obaslg · 03-21-2002, 02:36 AM

I downloaded the 4.0b patch I have at 11:47 a.m. EST on 3/16.

obaslg · 03-21-2002, 03:50 AM

I'm not sure if there's any more detail to give. If you want it, the zip file for the original OOTP3 league is at the "league file" button at:
<a href="http://fastbaseball.tripod.com/" target="_blank">http://fastbaseball.tripod.com/</a>

The team I gave was Cleveland, but they're all messed up in one way or another. It seems like the program uses this year's salary for last year's salary, and then sets everything else based on about a $1.5 mil profit.

obaslg · 03-22-2002, 03:45 AM

Bump - can anyone tell me the story here?

obaslg · 03-27-2002, 04:10 AM

Update: I downloaded the 4.0b patch again, to make sure I had the right version, and got the same result.

From the abasence of response, I'm concluding that no one else knows what's going on here. I hope the powers are on top of this, b/c my online league is planning on switching to OOTP4 in about a month. I guess we could manually fix it all, but then I'm worried about the way the whole thing is supposed to fit together, b/c, e.g., of the change in ticket pricing, and the new broadcasting contract system. From the way it looks, I'm guessing that $10 is the "normal" ticket price, so that if the team changes its ticket price from $7 to $10 in the change to OOTP4, it won't affect loyalty, etc. We could then adjust the other numbers to fit the new ticket revenue. But then I wonder what the fan interest is, independent of loyalty...

Yeesh.

obaslg · 04-02-2002, 10:38 AM

Bump - I would really appreciate it if someone would give me word that the problem is known and at least being considered. Even if there's no word on when this might be fixed, if I knew the message was received I could shut up. The fact that the finances have already been patched once, and that my posts about this have met with uncharacteristic silence, are making me wonder...

Thanks.

obaslg · 04-03-2002, 05:44 AM

Bump. The nice doctor said there's medicine I can take to keep me from talking to myself.

Scott Vibert · 04-03-2002, 06:58 AM

Message received and as Steve mentioned problem reported.

03-20-2002, 11:48 AM	#1
obaslg All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 887	league import finances The patch improved this a bit, but I still don't get it. Here are the before and after of the LAST year's finances when I imported my OOTP3 league. Attendance: 31,167,812 same Att. Rev.: $24,854,519 $31,678,120 Broad. Rev.: $38,296,482 $31,000,000 Merch. Rev.: $33,600,551 $ 9,295,285 Playoff Rev: $ 4,255,397 $ 0 Salary: $83,357,008 $70,084,920 Profit: $17,649,941 $1,888,485 [Edit: When I typed it up, this comparison was nice and neat - I hope it's still legible.] I'm mystified. I don't know why there would be any change in the PRIOR year's numbers. If there's some need for that, I can understand the attendance revenue adjustment, to account for the new ticket price system, and a corresponding adjustment in total broad/merch revenue to adjust back. Instead, while it shows a attendance revenue of about $7 mil more, the total B/M revenue it shows is $32 mil less. And why no playoff revenue? Etc., etc. This looks to me like it still needs a major revision - until then, I don't see how online leagues can make the transition. [ March 20, 2002: Message edited by: obaslg ]</p> __________________ Realy good musition of many insterments, including the hyperbolic vitriol.

03-20-2002, 12:42 PM	#2
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	Was this import made using the most recent update of patch b? __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

03-20-2002, 04:38 PM	#3
obaslg All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 887	Um...there's an update of the patch, but it has the same version ID? That's weird... What does it fix? __________________ Realy good musition of many insterments, including the hyperbolic vitriol.

03-21-2002, 02:36 AM	#4
obaslg All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 887	I downloaded the 4.0b patch I have at 11:47 a.m. EST on 3/16. __________________ Realy good musition of many insterments, including the hyperbolic vitriol.

03-21-2002, 03:50 AM	#5
obaslg All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 887	I'm not sure if there's any more detail to give. If you want it, the zip file for the original OOTP3 league is at the "league file" button at: <a href="http://fastbaseball.tripod.com/" target="_blank">http://fastbaseball.tripod.com/</a> The team I gave was Cleveland, but they're all messed up in one way or another. It seems like the program uses this year's salary for last year's salary, and then sets everything else based on about a $1.5 mil profit. __________________ Realy good musition of many insterments, including the hyperbolic vitriol.

03-22-2002, 03:45 AM	#6
obaslg All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 887	Bump - can anyone tell me the story here? __________________ Realy good musition of many insterments, including the hyperbolic vitriol.

03-27-2002, 04:10 AM	#7
obaslg All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 887	Update: I downloaded the 4.0b patch again, to make sure I had the right version, and got the same result. From the abasence of response, I'm concluding that no one else knows what's going on here. I hope the powers are on top of this, b/c my online league is planning on switching to OOTP4 in about a month. I guess we could manually fix it all, but then I'm worried about the way the whole thing is supposed to fit together, b/c, e.g., of the change in ticket pricing, and the new broadcasting contract system. From the way it looks, I'm guessing that $10 is the "normal" ticket price, so that if the team changes its ticket price from $7 to $10 in the change to OOTP4, it won't affect loyalty, etc. We could then adjust the other numbers to fit the new ticket revenue. But then I wonder what the fan interest is, independent of loyalty... Yeesh. __________________ Realy good musition of many insterments, including the hyperbolic vitriol.

04-02-2002, 10:38 AM	#8
obaslg All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 887	Bump - I would really appreciate it if someone would give me word that the problem is known and at least being considered. Even if there's no word on when this might be fixed, if I knew the message was received I could shut up. The fact that the finances have already been patched once, and that my posts about this have met with uncharacteristic silence, are making me wonder... Thanks. __________________ Realy good musition of many insterments, including the hyperbolic vitriol.

04-03-2002, 05:44 AM	#9
obaslg All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 887	Bump. The nice doctor said there's medicine I can take to keep me from talking to myself. __________________ Realy good musition of many insterments, including the hyperbolic vitriol.

04-03-2002, 06:58 AM	#10
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,249	Message received and as Steve mentioned problem reported.