Padres offer Vlad contract!

Karros270 · 12-07-2003, 01:15 AM

I think I just saw on the Fox Sports West ticker that the Padres offered Vladimir Gurrero a 5 year $70 million contract. I think I saw it but my eyes are in disbelief. Can anyone confirm this?

jmaness84 · 12-07-2003, 01:24 AM

Guerrero to the Braves!! How many times do I have to tell you guys this?

mfitterer1 · 12-07-2003, 01:24 AM

Ha, the Braves GM is too stupid to make that offer, I mean who would let Maddux, Lopez, and Sheffield go? The guy is a moron.

jmaness84 · 12-07-2003, 01:45 AM

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Originally posted by mfitterer1
Ha, the Braves GM is too stupid to make that offer, I mean who would let Maddux, Lopez, and Sheffield go? The guy is a moron.

Yes, that is why the Braves GM is one of the most successful GM's in baseball history. Remember the KC Royals in the early 80s and the Braves run (91-Present). I don't think you can call a GM stupid when he wins 12 division titles in a row. Takes a team from worst to first. It really must be true what people say about you.

mfitterer1 · 12-07-2003, 02:04 AM

Let me rephrase that, he is being a stupid gm right now. He is trying to be cheap when he has tons of money to spend and it is going to cost the Braves dearly, they could have used damage control and came out of this with just Sheffield and Maddux, with Lopez leaving, but to retain none of the three and so far not have any moves in the air or signings or contracts offered to anyone, dont you think thats a little strange?

matskralc · 12-07-2003, 02:10 AM

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Originally posted by mfitterer1
Ha, the Braves GM is too stupid to make that offer, I mean who would let Maddux, Lopez, and Sheffield go? The guy is a moron.

Old, expensive pitcher on the declin; old, expensive catcher who got lucky; old, really expensive outfielder who can be replaced. Much as I hate the Braves, I don't see any problem with letting those three go.

mfitterer1 · 12-07-2003, 02:11 AM

Letting them and their division hopes for years as well go.

matskralc · 12-07-2003, 02:12 AM

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Originally posted by mfitterer1
Let me rephrase that, he is being a stupid gm right now. He is trying to be cheap when he has tons of money to spend and it is going to cost the Braves dearly, they could have used damage control and came out of this with just Sheffield and Maddux, with Lopez leaving, but to retain none of the three and so far not have any moves in the air or signings or contracts offered to anyone, dont you think thats a little strange?

I thought Braves ownership was capping how much could be spent? And why the hell does he need to making moves? The Braves are GOOD. They got unlucky in the postseason, is all. I don't see any reason for there to be wholesale changes. The Braves don't NEED another marquee player.

matskralc · 12-07-2003, 02:13 AM

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Originally posted by mfitterer1
Letting them and their division hopes for years as well go.

You asshat. Greg Maddux won't be worth crap in 3 years. "Division hopes for years" my ass. You throw away hopes of contention by locking up old players on the decline into big expensive contracts.

holyroller · 12-07-2003, 02:21 AM

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Originally posted by matskralc
You asshat. Greg Maddux won't be worth crap in 3 years. "Division hopes for years" my ass. You throw away hopes of contention by locking up old players on the decline into big expensive contracts.

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In the words of Grocer from Grosse Pointe Blank, "popcorn!"

Mel_Ott · 12-07-2003, 02:24 AM

mfitterer1 · 12-07-2003, 02:35 AM

Forget Maddux if he wasnt resigned for cheap he would be gone anyways, but Lopez and Sheefield, they dont "have a coupel eyars left" and he didnt resign them, and there is no way they will still be good. They have Andruw, Chipper, and Furcal and Giles on offense, and they have Smoltz, Ortiz on pitching.

They have no starting rotation and no bullpen at all, the 2 things most important with a winning team, not to mention their defense sucks.

Kelric · 12-07-2003, 02:36 AM

Letting Javy Lopez go was a smart move. The guy had a career season in a free agent year and is getting old. As a catcher, you don't want to lock him up for big money to have him get old real fast on you, and there is no guarantee he just won't return to his mediocre form of the last few seasons.

Gary Sheffield's loss will hurt the Braves the most out of the three I think, but the man is replaceable for similar money. Their best bet would be grabbing Vladimir Guerrero of course, but their is other cheaper talent available. Trot Nixon from the Red Sox could be had in trade if Atlanta was willing to give the Red Sox whatever it is they'd want for him.

Greg Maddux, while one of the best pitchers of all time in my mind (Top 10 definitely), is getting older and is declining. With his pitching intelligence he may be able to hang around for a few more years, but he isn't worth the money he would be paid over that time with the Braves.

Schuerholz (sp?) is doing the right thing by letting those older guys go. He's led them to plenty of wins over the last 12 seasons, I have faith that he'll be able to get them on track yet again. A division title got a little tougher, but even if they don't make the playoffs this season for whatever reason they will still have a good team.

matskralc · 12-07-2003, 02:39 AM

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Originally posted by Kelric
Letting Javy Lopez go was a smart move. The guy had a career season in a free agent year and is getting old. As a catcher, you don't want to lock him up for big money to have him get old real fast on you, and there is no guarantee he just won't return to his mediocre form of the last few seasons.

Gary Sheffield's loss will hurt the Braves the most out of the three I think, but the man is replaceable for similar money. Their best bet would be grabbing Vladimir Guerrero of course, but their is other cheaper talent available. Trot Nixon from the Red Sox could be had in trade if Atlanta was willing to give the Red Sox whatever it is they'd want for him.

Greg Maddux, while one of the best pitchers of all time in my mind (Top 10 definitely), is getting older and is declining. With his pitching intelligence he may be able to hang around for a few more years, but he isn't worth the money he would be paid over that time with the Braves.

Schuerholz (sp?) is doing the right thing by letting those older guys go. He's led them to plenty of wins over the last 12 seasons, I have faith that he'll be able to get them on track yet again. A division title got a little tougher, but even if they don't make the playoffs this season for whatever reason they will still have a good team.

^^^Gets it.

holyroller · 12-07-2003, 02:44 AM

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Originally posted by mfitterer1
They have Andruw, Chipper, and Furcal and Giles on offense

Sounds like a damned good offensive core right there.

Considering we are still in December, I think the Braves will still make plenty of moves. For all of his flaws, Schurholtz has always managed to cobble together a good rotation and an excellent bullpen.

Hampton should be much better in year two away from Coors, Jung Bong is still extremely talented and should be much better in whatever role they use him in, ditto Marquis, and Adam Wainwright is considered one of the best pitching prospects in baseball.

With the money the Braves save letting those three veterans go, they have a lot of money to fill their holes like 1B, 3B, RF, and starting pitching. There should be another round of arbitration non-tenders so they should even be able to grab some players on the cheap.

IMO, your main problem here is that you are judging the composition of the team on December 7th. If you were making that call on April 7th or even March 7th then you would have a point. As is, we are still way too early in the game. Letting those players go, in and of itself, was a wise course of action for the Braves to take, in my opinion. Now let's see how the rest of the off-season plays out.

mfitterer1 · 12-07-2003, 02:46 AM

Could you explain to me how they will be good this year. The only starters they have if they let Maddux go are young'n Horacio ramirez and Russ Ortiz, and a declining Mike Hampton.

holyroller · 12-07-2003, 02:46 AM

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Originally posted by mfitterer1
Could you explain to me how they will be good this year. The only starters they have if they let Maddux go are young'n Horacio ramirez and Russ Ortiz, and a declining Mike Hampton.

We'll talk in three months or so. Why on earth do you think they are finished?

mfitterer1 · 12-07-2003, 02:50 AM

They have no roto and no pen thats why, that should be reason enough, they also have no catcher.

holyroller · 12-07-2003, 02:51 AM

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Originally posted by mfitterer1
They have no roto and no pen thats why, that should be reason enough, they also have no catcher.

I meant finished making moves.

matskralc · 12-07-2003, 02:52 AM

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Originally posted by mfitterer1
They have no roto and no pen thats why, that should be reason enough, they also have no catcher.

I sure wish the Braves' pitching "problems" were my problems.

Signed,

The vast majority of major league GMS

12-07-2003, 01:15 AM	#1
Karros270 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,392	Padres offer Vlad contract! I think I just saw on the Fox Sports West ticker that the Padres offered Vladimir Gurrero a 5 year $70 million contract. I think I saw it but my eyes are in disbelief. Can anyone confirm this?

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12-07-2003, 01:24 AM	#2
jmaness84 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,685	Guerrero to the Braves!! How many times do I have to tell you guys this?

12-07-2003, 01:24 AM	#3
mfitterer1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 466	Ha, the Braves GM is too stupid to make that offer, I mean who would let Maddux, Lopez, and Sheffield go? The guy is a moron.

12-07-2003, 02:04 AM	#5
mfitterer1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 466	Let me rephrase that, he is being a stupid gm right now. He is trying to be cheap when he has tons of money to spend and it is going to cost the Braves dearly, they could have used damage control and came out of this with just Sheffield and Maddux, with Lopez leaving, but to retain none of the three and so far not have any moves in the air or signings or contracts offered to anyone, dont you think thats a little strange?

12-07-2003, 02:11 AM	#7
mfitterer1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 466	Letting them and their division hopes for years as well go.

12-07-2003, 02:35 AM	#12
mfitterer1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 466	Forget Maddux if he wasnt resigned for cheap he would be gone anyways, but Lopez and Sheefield, they dont "have a coupel eyars left" and he didnt resign them, and there is no way they will still be good. They have Andruw, Chipper, and Furcal and Giles on offense, and they have Smoltz, Ortiz on pitching. They have no starting rotation and no bullpen at all, the 2 things most important with a winning team, not to mention their defense sucks.

12-07-2003, 02:36 AM	#13
Kelric Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greater Boston Area Posts: 3,992	Letting Javy Lopez go was a smart move. The guy had a career season in a free agent year and is getting old. As a catcher, you don't want to lock him up for big money to have him get old real fast on you, and there is no guarantee he just won't return to his mediocre form of the last few seasons. Gary Sheffield's loss will hurt the Braves the most out of the three I think, but the man is replaceable for similar money. Their best bet would be grabbing Vladimir Guerrero of course, but their is other cheaper talent available. Trot Nixon from the Red Sox could be had in trade if Atlanta was willing to give the Red Sox whatever it is they'd want for him. Greg Maddux, while one of the best pitchers of all time in my mind (Top 10 definitely), is getting older and is declining. With his pitching intelligence he may be able to hang around for a few more years, but he isn't worth the money he would be paid over that time with the Braves. Schuerholz (sp?) is doing the right thing by letting those older guys go. He's led them to plenty of wins over the last 12 seasons, I have faith that he'll be able to get them on track yet again. A division title got a little tougher, but even if they don't make the playoffs this season for whatever reason they will still have a good team.

12-07-2003, 02:46 AM	#16
mfitterer1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 466	Could you explain to me how they will be good this year. The only starters they have if they let Maddux go are young'n Horacio ramirez and Russ Ortiz, and a declining Mike Hampton.

12-07-2003, 02:50 AM	#18
mfitterer1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 466	They have no roto and no pen thats why, that should be reason enough, they also have no catcher.